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If Delaney wants UConn....it would seem to be tied into the new B1G contract negotiations this spring if it is going to happen in the near future.

The Big Ten contract will set a new bar, it will be the latest...And although a sports financial analyst says that the market is not as "frothy" as before, he expects a major increase. Everything that Delaney has been doing for the last number of years has been building up to this negotiation (expansion, divisions, CCG).

If Delaney is shopping further expansion as a contract enhancement, we should be hearing about it in the next year or so.
 
The ACC is not going away. It will always exist in some form. Basic maths shows there are more P5 teams than their are spots in the BIG/SEC.

The better questions is whether ACC teams who have opportunities in the BIG/SEC will eventually depart. If a Big12 network was formed would that provide another opportunity to make more money for ACC teams? Those are reasonable questions

Questioning the long term stability of the ACC does not make one a kook. In fact, the only kooks are the people who do not want to recognize the world is changing and instead pretend to say "all is well." The ACC is not at the same financial level as the BIG or SEC. People who are emotional attached to the ACC may not want to hear it but that does not change the reality

ESPN does want ACC content and it is valuable. But ESPN does not want to pay BIG/SEC money for it by forming an ACCN ...ESPN does not need more time to examine an ACCN...they already know they are not building one
 
I can definitely see a day where even a school like UConn says f--- it and puts their home content on their own platform.

You think 100,000 people would spend $9.95 a month if that's what it took to see UConn home games in every sport?

Probably.

Unfortunately it has to attract a lot more revenue than that to be worthwhile. That's $12 million per year. TV production costs for "every sport" would be more, so it wouldn't be profitable. (I saw a report that Missouri's travel costs in the SEC were $7-8 mn per year. It costs more to produce TV than to move a team to and from a game.)
 
I could see the B1G and SEC getting into North Carolina and Virginia (say, splitting UNC/NC State and UVa/Va Tech), Texas and Oklahoma going Pac with TTech and Ok State, and the remaining ACC and B12 merging to create the runt of the P4.
 
Unfortunately it has to attract a lot more revenue than that to be worthwhile. That's $12 million per year. TV production costs for "every sport" would be more, so it wouldn't be profitable. (I saw a report that Missouri's travel costs in the SEC were $7-8 mn per year. It costs more to produce TV than to move a team to and from a game.)

Some sort of partner would have to exist to produce the games and deliver the content. Like how IMG has individual contracts with schools - I would imagine a few partners would be available.

You are right 100,000 subscribers wouldn't be anywhere near enough, and it won't be viable for more than maybe 25-30 programs. But at some point I'd guess those 25-30 programs will need to stay whole if the cable money shrinks and this might be their only option.
 
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How is FSU stuck? According to Frank the Tank: "Florida State hits virtually every metric that the Big Ten is looking for long-term; football power, growing population and massive TV markets."

I agree that FSU could be of interest to the B1G; but, they are not AAU (and further back for that 'standard' than UConn - as a sample US News has UConn at #57, V Tech at #70 and FSU at #96). In addition, while not a deal breaker, the fact that Florida is not remotely close contiguous to the B1G is an issue. Lastly, while their football team makes serious money, the school only offers 19 varsity sports where as the B1G on average offers 23 per college (Northwestern is the lowest at 18 while, and as a FYI, UConn offers offers 20). So, FSU would face some challenges in joining the B1G. That said, if the ACC does collapse, allowing the B1G to grab UVA, UNC, G Tech and maybe Duke, Florida St will likely join the B1G. If instead the XII collapses, the B1G will expand southwest instead of southeast and FSU will stay with the ACC.
 
The ACC's problem is it's all print and no foot.

Also a large portion of the ACC footprint overlaps the footprints of the SEC and B1G. The ACC isn't the top conference for much of its footprint.
 
Also a large portion of the ACC footprint overlaps the footprints of the SEC and B1G. The ACC isn't the top conference for much of its footprint.
Precisely. The ACC's target population, which our friend calls a "footprint," consists of a foot (either the SEC or B1G) and a print which is the ACC. And soon enough, the only substantial portion (North Carolina and Virginia) will enter the cross hairs of those big boy conferences.
 
I'd say as many folks in Florida watch the combo of FSU and Miami as they do Florida...and South Carolina is split pretty near 50-50 on Clemson/South Carolina. Georgia owns their state. There are no ACC teams in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mizzouri.

The ACC owns North Carolina and Virginia. Louisville and Kentucky will be pulling closer in splitting Kentucky football fans but Kentucky probably has the lead now.
 
Unfortunately it has to attract a lot more revenue than that to be worthwhile. That's $12 million per year. TV production costs for "every sport" would be more, so it wouldn't be profitable. (I saw a report that Missouri's travel costs in the SEC were $7-8 mn per year. It costs more to produce TV than to move a team to and from a game.)

200,000 would be 24 million and make it more than viable.
We are a state of 3.5 million with avid alumni out of state, would that be a stretch? I don't know..
 
I'd say as many folks in Florida watch the combo of FSU and Miami as they do Florida...and South Carolina is split pretty near 50-50 on Clemson/South Carolina. Georgia owns their state. There are no ACC teams in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mizzouri.

The ACC owns North Carolina and Virginia. Louisville and Kentucky will be pulling closer in splitting Kentucky football fans but Kentucky probably has the lead now.
And when FSU/Miami aren't playing where do Floridians go for college football? The SEC or the ACC? Ditto for South Carolina. Ditto again for Kentucky. And we're one more realignment move away from saying ditto for North Carolina and Virginia.
 
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There is no data available that says Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Pennsylvania ie " the rust belt ", will be growing in population, influence, etc over the next 50 years. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. All the data points to a loss of population, loss of influence, etc. Where is the population expected to grow in the country over the next 50 years ? Well, its not in the midwest. Its in the South, Southwest. The notion that the ACC league thus is going " to collapse ", or swallowed up by the " rust belt " midwest league is really going against all the data that is readily available to us as to where the population shifts, influence, leverage, etc will be happening over the next 50 years. ND is anything but stupid. They had a chance to join the Rust Belt Conference , but they see the same population data for the next 50 years as the rest of us.
 
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I'd say as many folks in Florida watch the combo of FSU and Miami as they do Florida...and South Carolina is split pretty near 50-50 on Clemson/South Carolina. Georgia owns their state. There are no ACC teams in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mizzouri.

The ACC owns North Carolina and Virginia. Louisville and Kentucky will be pulling closer in splitting Kentucky football fans but Kentucky probably has the lead now.

So, by your own admission, the ACC only owns two states in its own footprint. That's not good, every other P5 owns more.

I also don't think the ACC will pull even in Kentucky, but even so, you're setting the bar pretty low there.
 
There is no data available that says Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Pennsylvania ie " the rust belt ", will be growing in population, influence, etc over the next 50 years. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. All the data points to a loss of population, loss of influence, etc. Where is the population expected to grow in the country over the next 50 years ? Well, its not in the midwest. Its in the South, Southwest. The notion that the ACC league is going " to collapse ", or swallowed up by the " rust belt " midwest league is really going against all the data that is readily available to us as to where the population shifts will be happening in the next 50 years.

Which might explain why the "rust belt" midwest league is expanding east. The ACC should be worried that the "rust belt" midwest league doesn't to it, what it did to the Big East.
 
The state of Kentucky is an ACC state like we are a NEC state or a MAAC state- and we have two schools in either league.
 
Which might explain why the "rust belt" midwest league is expanding east. The ACC should be worried that the "rust belt" midwest league doesn't to it, what it did to the Big East.
Even moving " east " ( to N.E., NJ, etc ) won't be all that great for the Big. Besides, the ACC proactively expanded both " east " and " south ", by adding Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville ( and ND from right in the center of the midwest ) under Swofford's tenure. Under Swofford, the ACC expanded north, south, east all along the Atlantic Coast all the way from Maine to the southern tip of Florida. The Big took Maryland & Rutgers by comparison. Not exactly a good comparison to what the ACC has done by contrast, imo. I'd say an unbiased view would say the ACC has done pretty well for itself in the musical chairs we call realignment. Plus, the league is stable now too. Look at the B12. Its a mess, with instabilty, infighting, acrimony galore. Its the B12 that might " collapse " imo... not the ACC.
 
Even moving " east " ( to N.E., NJ, etc ) won't be all that great for the Big. Besides, the ACC proactively expanded both " east " and " south ", by adding Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville ( and ND from right in the center of the midwest ) under Swofford's tenure. Under Swofford, the ACC expanded north, south, east all along the Atlantic Coast all the way from Maine to the southern tip of Florida. The Big took Maryland & Rutgers by comparison. Not exactly a good comparison to what the ACC has done by contrast, imo. I'd say an unbiased view would say the ACC has done pretty well for itself in the musical chairs we call realignment. Plus, the league is stable now too. Look at the B12. Its a mess, with instabilty, infighting, acrimony galore. Its the B12 that might " collapse " imo... not the ACC.

I would welcome any collapse right now to reshuffle to who should be in a p5 and who should not. I doubt you feel the same. Cling on.
 
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Even moving " east " ( to N.E., NJ, etc ) won't be all that great for the Big. Besides, the ACC proactively expanded both " east " and " south ", by adding Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville ( and ND from right in the center of the midwest ) under Swofford's tenure. Under Swofford, the ACC expanded north, south, east all along the Atlantic Coast all the way from Maine to the southern tip of Florida. The Big took Maryland & Rutgers by comparison. Not exactly a good comparison to what the ACC has done by contrast, imo. I'd say an unbiased view would say the ACC has done pretty well for itself in the musical chairs we call realignment. Plus, the league is stable now too. Look at the B12. Its a mess, with instabilty, infighting, acrimony galore. Its the B12 that might " collapse " imo... not the ACC.
Ya, ACC is sitting pretty compared to the B1G. Swofford out-maneuvered Delaney every step of the way. :confused:
 
There is no data available that says Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Pennsylvania ie " the rust belt ", will be growing in population, influence, etc over the next 50 years. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. All the data points to a loss of population, loss of influence, etc. Where is the population expected to grow in the country over the next 50 years ? Well, its not in the midwest. Its in the South, Southwest. The notion that the ACC league thus is going " to collapse ", or swallowed up by the " rust belt " midwest league is really going against all the data that is readily available to us as to where the population shifts, influence, leverage, etc will be happening over the next 50 years. ND is anything but stupid. They had a chance to join the Rust Belt Conference , but they see the same population data for the next 50 years as the rest of us.
Your analysis conveniently ignores the elephant in the ACC's living room. The Northeast, which is where the B1G is moving has something north of 60 million souls. How long will it take for the South to increase it's population by, say, 360 million which, after the SEC peels off its 300 million leaves the necessary 60 million for the ACC? That's a really long time horizon. BCU might even win some conference games before that bet pays off.
 
Even moving " east " ( to N.E., NJ, etc ) won't be all that great for the Big. Besides, the ACC proactively expanded both " east " and " south ", by adding Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville ( and ND from right in the center of the midwest ) under Swofford's tenure. Under Swofford, the ACC expanded north, south, east all along the Atlantic Coast all the way from Maine to the southern tip of Florida. The Big took Maryland & Rutgers by comparison. Not exactly a good comparison to what the ACC has done by contrast, imo. I'd say an unbiased view would say the ACC has done pretty well for itself in the musical chairs we call realignment. Plus, the league is stable now too. Look at the B12. Its a mess, with instabilty, infighting, acrimony galore. Its the B12 that might " collapse " imo... not the ACC.

How exactly do BC, Syracuse and Pitt capture the Northeast? One might argue that they don't even capture their own backyards. Collectively, their feeling of "stability" is likely based on cashing checks and living off the tit that has become the ACC
 
Even moving " east " ( to N.E., NJ, etc ) won't be all that great for the Big. Besides, the ACC proactively expanded both " east " and " south ", by adding Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville ( and ND from right in the center of the midwest ) under Swofford's tenure. Under Swofford, the ACC expanded north, south, east all along the Atlantic Coast all the way from Maine to the southern tip of Florida. The Big took Maryland & Rutgers by comparison. Not exactly a good comparison to what the ACC has done by contrast, imo. I'd say an unbiased view would say the ACC has done pretty well for itself in the musical chairs we call realignment. Plus, the league is stable now too. Look at the B12. Its a mess, with instabilty, infighting, acrimony galore. Its the B12 that might " collapse " imo... not the ACC.
You can't be serious...The B1G has passed the ACC by a LONG time ago...now the SEC has as well! The commissioner of your favorite conference Yawky royally screwed them when he sold the media rights that are needed for a ACC Network to Raycom. ESPN didn't want to pay 3x (pay to produce programming, buy the programming back from Raycom, pay the ACC schools for the programming) for those rights to produce a ACCN when they were flush with cash....NOT gonna happen now. If the B-12 gets a network off the ground the clock is ticking for FSU and Clemson to want out...just like before. And a school like BC with the performances of recent seasons in football and basketball (especially the past 12 months) should start to seriously worry if that happens because the backfills for Clemson and FSU won't be anywhere close to UConn and Cincy!
 
Even moving " east " ( to N.E., NJ, etc ) won't be all that great for the Big. Besides, the ACC proactively expanded both " east " and " south ", by adding Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville ( and ND from right in the center of the midwest ) under Swofford's tenure. Under Swofford, the ACC expanded north, south, east all along the Atlantic Coast all the way from Maine to the southern tip of Florida. The Big took Maryland & Rutgers by comparison. Not exactly a good comparison to what the ACC has done by contrast, imo. I'd say an unbiased view would say the ACC has done pretty well for itself in the musical chairs we call realignment. Plus, the league is stable now too. Look at the B12. Its a mess, with instabilty, infighting, acrimony galore. Its the B12 that might " collapse " imo... not the ACC.

I am not sure why you think the ACC's acquisitions compare favorably to the BIG? Out of Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville, probably only VT would have been snatched up by the BIG or SEC. The ACC only succeed in killing the BE, not acquiring big money producing programs. In fact, the ACC has not acquired any team that wasn't in the BE.

Which of the above programs has athletically improved in the ACC? Answer -none.
Has the ACC successfully attracted a BIG/SEC team? Answer - no
Is the ACC payout literally $10 million + less than the BIG/SEC? Answer -yes.
Does the ACC have a network like the BIG/SEC? Answer -no

The ACC acquired programs at the height of their athletic achievement and they promptly declined. It will be interesting to see what happens with Louisville which already seems to be declining. Yet, despite this decline, the ACC still needs to pay them a full share. The "acquisitions" have become a financial boat anchor.

The B12 is unstable and that has helped the ACC. But let there be no doubt the BIG and SEC would rather the Big12 succeed than the ACC. If you doubt that statement look at the last rule change which allowed the Big12 to play a CCG with 10 while denying the ACC's request to restructure. The argument the ACC is well run because the B12 is equally screwed up does not pass the laugh test.

Last Question: Do you think if John Swofford was offered a direct swap of UConn for BC straight up he would take it? The answer is undoubtably yes . Twenty years ago BC would have been selected every day of the week and twice on Sunday over UConn. That is what the ACC did to BC.
 
I do not know about ACC, B1G, etc. and how that turns out.

I do know that the ACC is currently doing great in terms of sports...FSU and Clemson are doing great in football playing at a national contender level...and baseball, basketball, lacrosse, soccer have all been national championships for the ACC in the last couple of seasons.

I've never been a fan of the ACC...I am a fan of FSU. And as an FSU guy, I never understood the ACC's going to the northeast with Cuse and BC....wish that had never happened.

When Maryland was the northern outrider of the conference, that was almost palatable. Going to Boston and Syracuse was a Swofford boondoggle. Until FSU did a Boren style sabre rattle, the ACC/Swofford worked to screw FSU in favor of Tobacco Road.

In the 10 year stretch before the rattling, FSU traveled on Thursday night 8 of the 10 years...to BC, Cuse, UNC, etc...while UNC traveled twice, but never outside of a comfortable neighborhood drive. A released scholarly study of football officiating showed an ACC bias against FSU and for the underdogs (funny how that has now cleared up since 2012).

The ACC has failed to make divisions that make some sense, like North-South. Letting FSU know that any northeast expansion would go into their division, on top of BC and Cuse, led to a Clemson-FSU revolt. Travelling to the North, while FSU's closest and oldest opponent is 250 miles away in the city with the largest FSU alumni group outside of Florida. And FSU visits them once every 12 years. Nole fans loathe Swofford and tolerate the ACC.

Jimbo is now 14-1 against Florida teams and FSU. the last time that they played them, has beaten Florida, South Carolina, Auburn, and Saban's Alabama. FSU opens 2016 with Mississippi and 2017 with Alabama. When you put a pin in the map for Tallahassee, you see a semi circle ringing the town..from 150 miles to the east, Gainesville....through Athens. Auburn, Tuscaloosa, and on, to 450 miles to the west, Baton Rouge.

And the SEC fan sees Clemson and FSU as a real challenge to SEC football NC hegemony and the vitriol is often heated. Clemson and FSU play in the ACC, but are the SEC-like teams that are plunked down in indian territory.

One's outlook is usually a function of one's environment.

Someone from the northeast will have a much different view of the sports world than one of us...it is what it is.

Most Noles don't care where we play, in terms of conference, as much as who we play...regionalism is, of course, preferred to the CUSA dart in map models.
 
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Even moving " east " ( to N.E., NJ, etc ) won't be all that great for the Big. Besides, the ACC proactively expanded both " east " and " south ", by adding Miami, BC, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville ( and ND from right in the center of the midwest ) under Swofford's tenure. Under Swofford, the ACC expanded north, south, east all along the Atlantic Coast all the way from Maine to the southern tip of Florida. The Big took Maryland & Rutgers by comparison. Not exactly a good comparison to what the ACC has done by contrast, imo. I'd say an unbiased view would say the ACC has done pretty well for itself in the musical chairs we call realignment. Plus, the league is stable now too. Look at the B12. Its a mess, with instabilty, infighting, acrimony galore. Its the B12 that might " collapse " imo... not the ACC.

Seriously?

The ACC didn't expand south, adding it already had teams in Virginia and Florida, so adding VT and Miami doesn't expand the footprint.
The ACC can't expand east, it's on the coast. I understand your confusion, BC is on an island, but that island isn't in the Atlantic.
The ACC did expand sorth, but Pitt is in B1G country, Syracuse is in the middle of nowhere and BC is irrelevant.
 
Seriously?

The ACC didn't expand south, adding it already had teams in Virginia and Florida, so adding VT and Miami doesn't expand the footprint.
The ACC can't expand east, it's on the coast. I understand your confusion, BC is on an island, but that island isn't in the Atlantic.
The ACC did expand sorth, but Pitt is in B1G country, Syracuse is in the middle of nowhere and BC is irrelevant.
Pitt is definitely on an island too. Imagine being caught between OSU and PSU (arguably the most popular team in the northeast) with Maryland and WVU territory to their immediate south? The ACC is rife with teams that are essentially small schools on islands within a territorial sea of a big boy conference like the SEC or B1G. I'm no expert, but that doesn't seem like a very good set up.
 
There is no data available that says Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Pennsylvania ie " the rust belt ", will be growing in population, influence, etc over the next 50 years. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact. All the data points to a loss of population, loss of influence, etc. Where is the population expected to grow in the country over the next 50 years ? Well, its not in the midwest. Its in the South, Southwest. The notion that the ACC league thus is going " to collapse ", or swallowed up by the " rust belt " midwest league is really going against all the data that is readily available to us as to where the population shifts, influence, leverage, etc will be happening over the next 50 years. ND is anything but stupid. They had a chance to join the Rust Belt Conference , but they see the same population data for the next 50 years as the rest of us.

Your demographics are right; but, the rest is off. The ACC is located in the growth area of the US; but, incomes (thus marketing value) in the Southeast is still lower than the Northeast, Midwest (and Pac Coast) and the ACC only has the marquee brands in 2 states - Virginia (UVA) and NC (UNC & Duke). Everywhere else along the East Coast, the ACC has a private school (Syracuse, BC) or a secondary state school which allows a conference like the SEC to dominate or is completely missing like NJ and Maryland. That combination is what makes the ACC weak.
 
Your demographics are right; but, the rest is off. The ACC is located in the growth area of the US; but, incomes (thus marketing value) in the Southeast is still lower than the Northeast, Midwest (and Pac Coast) and the ACC only has the marquee brands in 2 states - Virginia (UVA) and NC (UNC & Duke). Everywhere else along the East Coast, the ACC has a private school (Syracuse, BC) or a secondary state school which allows a conference like the SEC to dominate or is completely missing like NJ and Maryland. That combination is what makes the ACC weak.

Football interest however in " the northeast " is weak compared to the " south" and in the "southeast ". And with what football interest there is in the " northeast ", it is overwhelmingly professional football interest, not amateur college football interest. The SEC trumps all the other leagues in both college football interest and revenue streams to its member schools, yet its state population's " incomes " is far below that of both the Northeast, the Far West, and the Midwest. The ACC revenue streams to its member schools is dispositive in my opinion as to the financial stability of the ACC. As such, the notion that the ACC is financially " weak " or in on the verge of " collapse ", or is run by a Commissioner that is " incompetent " ( all stated above ) is certainly interesting to read, but I'm not sure such sentiments are borne out by such factors as the funds disbursements to the member schools, nor by the complete absence of any current credible talk of any ACC schools talking at the institutional levels of leaving or bolting the league for any other and so forth. When we contrast this with the B12 ( for example ) it seems pretty clear ( to me anyway ) which of the two leagues is having current disharmony, discord, institutional claims by members of mismanagement, financial missteps, and even claims of potential splintering and / or even collapse.
 
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Seriously?

The ACC didn't expand south, adding it already had teams in Virginia and Florida, so adding VT and Miami doesn't expand the footprint.
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Before Swofford became Commissioner, the ACC's furthest "northern" school was Maryland . The ACC's furthest " southern " school was Florida State, located in Tallahassee. When they added Miami, they added a school that is further away from Tallahassee, Fl than Storrs Ct is from College Park, Maryland. Then the ACC went north and added BC, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse to this once " southern league ". The ACC, under Swofford expanded its once primarily southern imprint to the north, northeast. These former BE schools made the ACC a Coastal conference from Southern tip of Florida all the way up to Maine..... a far larger, wider, deeper, conference than before. The ACC even took Louisville, Kentucky off the table for expansion by the others. And made sure that ND... a midwest located school... wouldn't be joining the B12, nor the Big, any time soon as well. Given where the ACC was when Swofford took office (with the BE his biggest league competitor at the time) and where it is today with the addition of 7 teams from outside its core southern states, beating the competitor BE into submission, etc if thats " incompetence " ( as alleged here) I guess I could live with a decade more of such alleged " incompetence " from Swofford.
 
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I do not know about ACC, B1G, etc. and how that turns out.

I do know that the ACC is currently doing great in terms of sports...FSU and Clemson are doing great in football playing at a national contender level...and baseball, basketball, lacrosse, soccer have all been national championships for the ACC in the last couple of seasons.

I've never been a fan of the ACC...I am a fan of FSU. And as an FSU guy, I never understood the ACC's going to the northeast with Cuse and BC....wish that had never happened.

When Maryland was the northern outrider of the conference, that was almost palatable. Going to Boston and Syracuse was a Swofford boondoggle. Until FSU did a Boren style sabre rattle, the ACC/Swofford worked to screw FSU in favor of Tobacco Road.

In the 10 year stretch before the rattling, FSU traveled on Thursday night 8 of the 10 years...to BC, Cuse, UNC, etc...while UNC traveled twice, but never outside of a comfortable neighborhood drive. A released scholarly study of football officiating showed an ACC bias against FSU and for the underdogs (funny how that has now cleared up since 2012).

The ACC has failed to make divisions that make some sense, like North-South. Letting FSU know that any northeast expansion would go into their division, on top of BC and Cuse, led to a Clemson-FSU revolt. Travelling to the North, while FSU's closest and oldest opponent is 250 miles away in the city with the largest FSU alumni group outside of Florida. And FSU visits them once every 12 years. Nole fans loathe Swofford and tolerate the ACC.

Jimbo is now 14-1 against Florida teams and FSU. the last time that they played them, has beaten Florida, South Carolina, Auburn, and Saban's Alabama. FSU opens 2016 with Mississippi and 2017 with Alabama. When you put a pin in the map for Tallahassee, you see a semi circle ringing the town..from 150 miles to the east, Gainesville....through Athens. Auburn, Tuscaloosa, and on, to 450 miles to the west, Baton Rouge.

And the SEC fan sees Clemson and FSU as a real challenge to SEC football NC hegemony and the vitriol is often heated. Clemson and FSU play in the ACC, but are the SEC-like teams that are plunked down in indian territory.

One's outlook is usually a function of one's environment.

Someone from the northeast will have a much different view of the sports world than one of us...it is what it is.

Most Noles don't care where we play, in terms of conference, as much as who we play...regionalism is, of course, preferred to the CUSA dart in map models.
Come on Billybud. FSU has been in the ACC for 25 years, and you don't know why the ACC is doing what it is doing and think this is a Swofford boondoggle. I come back after being away for almost a year to see what UConn fans think of all of this drama in the Big XII that could lead to a UConn invite, and instead I find this thread debating the motives and direction of the ACC.

The ACC is not a Southern Conference, and it doesn't ever intend to be a Southern Conference. It's an East Coast Conference. There are 7 private universities (Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest, Duke, and Miami) along with three public universities that operate like private universities (Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech). All ten require high school students that want to go to college to pay very high tuition. Where do you get those? North of the Mason Dixon line and east of Ohio. It is no Swofford boondoggle that all ten of these universities want to regularly play athletic events on the road north of the mason dixon line and east of Ohio. And the remaining ACC schools (VT, NCSU,Clemson, FSU, and Louisville) are catching on from the others.

The ACC is a collection of universities. It is not a semi-pro football league. The questioning of Syracuse and Boston College is also surprising. Notre Dame's Father Jenkins direct quote, "We at Notre Dame have more alumni, more fans, and more support in New York and Massachusetts than in ALL of the midwest." Where do you think Syracuse and Boston College reside? As for the analysis of which states that the ACC owns. The combination of Notre Dame, Syracuse, and Boston College owns New York and Massachusetts. There are no other FBS schools of consequence in either state. You could argue Notre Dame isn't in the ACC, but the ACC has more of them than any other league.

There are only 2 college football teams that drive major interest in the northeast, Notre Dame and Penn State. They both bring large non-alumni fan bases. Notre Dame owns New York and New England. Penn State owns Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland. There is a little crossover with Catholics in the Penn State territory and non Catholics in the ND territory. The rest of the schools in the Northeast are primarily supported by their alumni only.

UConn has done a nice job of becoming the team in Connecticut. That's why I always saw UConn as a good fit for the ACC. Most here don't want to be in the ACC, so I'm surprised there are still threads talking about the ACC. As I read through some of these threads today, there are hardly any ACC fans left on the Boneyard like there were before.

As for FSU playing Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech specifically wants to annually play Duke, Clemson, and North Carolina in that order before ever considering anyone else other than their annual rivalry with Georgia. They have an 83 game history with Duke, an 80 game history with Clemson, and a 50 game history with North Carolina. They only have a 24 game history with FSU. You could ask to swap divisions with Miami to get GT, but you'd lose Clemson. The ACC will not be doing North-South divisions because of the desire for everyone to play north and the northern schools to play south.
 
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