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pj said:
UConn moved up from 176 in Kenpom last year to 92 right now, with a similarly talented roster and a similar injury history. Recruiting is much better, Bouknight, Gaffney, and Akok is a far better class than Ollie could have obtained. The team puts forth more effort and is more fun to watch. Players are developing. I'd say it's clear Hurley has brought a big step up in results.
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Have you watched Akinjo this year?

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August_West said:
Well there is another way to look at that, isnt there?

That with worse objective measure metrics a coach can achieve same results?
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And speaking subjectively, would you not agree that Hurley is putting a better product out there? They've been much more competitive and played a lot harder if nothing else. I think by both objective and subjective measures, Hurley has essentially the same cast playing better basketball. A reasonable person could argue I imagine.
 
UCDaveD said:
There it is. Was waiting for you to go full tinfoil hat mode and you didn't disappoint.

If you can't understand the difference between getting charged with violations and not getting charged with violations, you're beyond help.
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yes its tinfoil hat stuff for sure.

god i hope ollie gets to dump the internal communications on us. let’s see what these clowns are hiding.
 
Peacefrog said:
And speaking subjectively, would you not agree that Hurley is putting a better product out there? They've been much more competitive and played a lot harder if nothing else. I think by both objective and subjective measures, Hurley has essentially the same cast playing better basketball. A reasonable person could argue I imagine.
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Im all in on Hurley. He gets a few years from me. Deserves them.

But this season is a dumpster fire.
 
whaler11 said:
no idea what this means. he is doing what anyone would do. i certainly wouldnt stand by and let a inept clown like benedict fire me for cause.
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This is short term thinking for KO. He should fight behind the scenes for a decent settlement but take a hit and move on. Crazy Bob D got a new job right away (and a few more since then). KO is toxic now.
 
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Chief Prediction - If UConn releases documents for FOI Request, there will be some very embarrassing documents relating to KO’s conduct. This may sink his hiring prospects further, at least for the college game. He and his clown show legal team are playing with fire. UConn is not the only party running the embarrassment risk exposure.
Again to his legal team, be careful what you ask for!
 
August_West said:
Im all in on Hurley. He gets a few years from me. Deserves them.

But this season is a dumpster fire.
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Diarra never came back, then Yakwe went down for the season further hurting our front court, then as the team was gaining chemistry Gilbert went out for weeks, then Adams went down for the season. Hurley can only play the hand delt him. And he never came close to the stinkers Ollie put up against Yale and Wagner and Northeastern.

 
August_West said:
Have you watched Akinjo this year?

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He did say a better class. You picked out 1 player having a great start to his career. Sadly, from what I've seen during the KO years, I doubt Akinjo would have performed that well for us in our stagnant offensive style.
I wouldn't say this year is a dumpster fire. They've had ups and downs, but the last 2 years we had no ups. There's a learning curve involved for current players and we need to increase the quality of the team, but I'm far more optimistic about our future than I have been in a while.
 
Fairfield_1st said:
He did say a better class. You picked out 1 player having a great start to his career. Sadly, from what I've seen during the KO years, I doubt Akinjo would have performed that well for us in our stagnant offensive style.
I wouldn't say this year is a dumpster fire. They've had ups and downs, but the last 2 years we had no ups. There's a learning curve involved for current players and we need to increase the quality of the team, but I'm far more optimistic about our future than I have been in a while.
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Was the "up" beating Syracuse four months ago?
 
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Chief00 said:
Chief keeps it real!

KO, you became a poor coach and even worse at program management, as whatever issues or behaviors you were dealing with in your personal life seemed to overwhelm everything else.

Generally, Chief and others have respected your personal privacy but you apparently don’t have that same privacy respect for our student athletes and others as exhibited by your requests.

Chief has even defended how despite your issues and athletes transferring out, you are a actually a good guy.

You can only hide behind your clown show legal team for so long, these requests are in your name not theirs. Your strategy is clear to attack and destroy the school PR wise and get a settlement not due to legal results but to the school caving to avoid embarrassment. You don’t want to win anymore by working, you are now via financial greed trying to win the lottery.

In the week approaching the weekend we honor Ray Allen - you do all this nonsense. This is also the week, you lost Chief as a guy, who despite everything had your back.

Kevin Ollie and UConn are fighting over documents. Here’s what it means and what happens next.
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Is it coincidence that the banner ad above your OP was - Find an end to your pain.
 
Fairfield_1st said:
He did say a better class. You picked out 1 player having a great start to his career. Sadly, from what I've seen during the KO years, I doubt Akinjo would have performed that well for us in our stagnant offensive style.
I wouldn't say this year is a dumpster fire. They've had ups and downs, but the last 2 years we had no ups. There's a learning curve involved for current players and we need to increase the quality of the team, but I'm far more optimistic about our future than I have been in a while.
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I wouldn't say shooting 35% overall is a great start to his career. Solid but definitely not great.
 
3rdbass said:
I wouldn't say shooting 35% overall is a great start to his career. Solid but definitely not great.
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Akinjo is, or will be, a stud. The other 2, Kisunas and Matthews don’t look like anything special. They are just freshmen though.
 
August_West said:
Have you watched Akinjo this year?

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I liked Akinjo a lot, and said so repeatedly last year. That was Ollie's one big recruiting triumph. That said, it was troubling that the only 4* guy a former 13-year NBA PG and national champion coach could bring in was a PG from 3000 miles away with a similar background to his own. There was negativity around Ollie that was deterring all the top northeastern recruits. That's something a coach has great difficulty recovering from. Ollie was unlikely to recover from it at UConn.

If KO really wants to be a D1 basketball coach, he needs to rebuild his reputation at a lower-tier school that will be patient with him as he learns. If he pays his dues and succeeds at the Wagners or Northeasterns the way Dan Hurley and Jim Calhoun did, then he'll get another shot at a top program. And if he refuses to give that a try, he doesn't really want to be a D1 basketball coach.
 
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Wow - now Ollie again trying to drag Calhoun’s name through this nonsense ? the guy who got you the job and vouched for u? unbelievable - never thought I’d hate KO so much. Dude is still trying to infect our program. Haven’t u done enough damage already? Go away. Go back the Cali or something.
 
superjohn said:
Amazing some are still defending KO, you would think once he went all Jussie Smollett people would see right through this guy.
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Can one one recognize UConn's folly in the handling of this situation without "defending" KO?


Adults with greater than RTIQ seemingly can.

You usually fit that mold but it seems you have KODS
 
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August_West said:
Can one one recognize UConn's folly in the handling of this situation without "defending" KO?


Adults with greater than RTIQ seemingly can.

You usually fit that mold but it seems you have KODS
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To quote your previous post "Well there is another way to look at that, isnt there?". Someone reasonable could argue UConn decided to take a calculated risk that the fallout from giving him nothing would be less burdensome than offering him a smaller amount of money to settle.

I understand you might disagree, and UConn did get a little bad PR early on- but since the first couple of weeks I don't think anyone outside of this state has been keeping up with the headlines of this story. Are there other negative impacts of doing this, sure. Are they worth 5M? 3M? 1M? Would Ollie even take 1M? Why would the school offer after he already tried to dig up all the dirt on them and the damage was already done? That was his leverage, and he played it- instead of dangling it.
 
mrl2016 said:
To quote your previous post "Well there is another way to look at that, isnt there?". Someone reasonable could argue UConn decided to take a calculated risk that the fallout from giving him nothing would be less burdensome than offering him a smaller amount of money to settle.

I understand you might disagree, and UConn did get a little bad PR early on- but since the first couple of weeks I don't think anyone outside of this state has been keeping up with the headlines of this story. Are there other negative impacts of doing this, sure. Are they worth 5M? 3M? 1M? Would Ollie even take 1M? Why would the school offer after he already tried to dig up all the dirt on them and the damage was already done? That was his leverage, and he played it- instead of dangling it.
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we won't be able to really examine that until it's over. Let's hope the damage to the school is minimal and limited. I have no interest in seeing our school go up in flames. But UConn poured the gasoline initially by taking, as you said, " a calculated risk" , KO now striking matches. The ROI assessment is currently incomplete.
 
TJT said:
None of this is any surprise. UConn did it all it could to destroy Kevin Ollie and his reputation to justify his firing and not paying him the buyout. Ollie is returning the favor. UConn made the first move and chose this path. It is facing the consequences. In the end, neither party actually wins as both will be tarnished.
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UConn will be fine. The university got a coach that anyone could argue was the hottest commodity in the coaching marketing last year - it didn't scare him away so the longer this goes on the worst KO looks.

KO needs to put the big boy pants on and understand how the game works. I'm sure there was some monetary offer to him which was less than $10M which he should have taken, especially if he knew he was going to get found of breaking rules. His scorched earth strategy has diminished or completely made obsolete any CBB coaching opportunities for him and made the university more resolute in their position. HIs strategy speaks to his poor decision making. Why the hell would an AD chose to bring in a known headache that ran one of the countries premiere basketball programs into the ground? AD's talk and they talk a lot.

There are plenty of guys to hire - no need to hire a guy (KO) that doesn't get how to run a program and looks to burn the building down when he gets shitcanned which is inevitably going to happen.
 
KO lost a key ally today.

Chief weeps.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Was the "up" beating Syracuse four months ago?
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That was a big up, yes. I think they have been far more competitive than last year. As others have said, losing to Cincy by 4 was far more encouraging than losing by 20+. SMU hurt, but in my mind still a better and encouraging season. Would be nice to get 1 road victory.

3rdbass said:
I wouldn't say shooting 35% overall is a great start to his career. Solid but definitely not great.
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I saw that too after the post and should have amended. I was fixated on the 12.8 ppg or whatever the number was. But for a freshman guard, still a good start.
 
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