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doggydaddy said:
Not speaking for Eric, but don't you see how this looks to many people to be a unique situation and not just a formulatic change for everyone?
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Yes, and that's the problem.
 
Adesmar123 said:
I absolutely agree. In Neopolitan ice cream, the chocolate needs to be in the middle.
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Are you freaking kidding me?????? :eek:

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Adesmar123 said:
This is looking more and more like an off season thread. I thought it would have died a timely death after the season began.
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Silly you! :confused:
They only play 2 or 3 games a week taking up 3 hours - add in 3 hours before each game to predict the outcome and analyze, and 24 hours after the game to critique the announcers, pan the other teams 'superstar', take umbrage at some throw away line by the coach and or one of the players, and praise our superior players (except the ones who had a less than world class outing) and you have only consumed 60 to 90 hours out of a possible 168 hours! What are we true fans supposed to do with all that down time!?!?:)
 
meyers7 said:
Yes, and that's the problem.
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Please see Andy's post.

It's just Sesame Street.

11,11,14,156.

You don't need a system to see that if you include the 156 you have screwed up the rating.
 
ericsandiego said:
Just stop. Stop trying to put words in my mouth or decide what I'm trying to say. Seriously, knock it off. I gave my reasons, you disagree, and continue to go on and on and on and on and on. You don't agree - I get it. You think we "only want ourselves to feel better." I guarantee you that's not the case and I've said as much. So stop trying to attribute something to my comments that do not exist.
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Sorry, the facts is the facts. Deny all you want. We know. we know (we know).

ericsandiego said:
It's just not accurate.
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But I am sure, if everyone did exactly as you wished, exactly what would make you happy, then, AND only then, it would be accurate.

Yea, we get that about you.
 
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JS said:
I'd hate to try to decide which restaurant to go to with any of you folks.

Or at least any two of you.

If you disagreed, which you probably would, you'd argue 'til we starved.
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No me baby, I ain't never starved. :p

Now if we got into dividing up the bill........oh boy. :eek:
 
Andy - very interesting and I agree having spent most of my working life compiling databases from suspect sources and dealing with the issues of outliers in that data. The business was tracking pricing in newspaper advertising for products and the problem was to determine if the $9.99 price for a $300 camera was first a data entry error internally, but also how to handle the case where the store actually advertised that price and was it a misprint or a loss leader (teaser to get customers in the store. It was a published price, so do you report it to the client or not?
And while I agree that there is generally a consensus on a player, that may also be pernicious - Joe says player x is great, Judy says player x is great, do I want to stake my reputation on saying she isn't or do I just role with the flow and agree. Happens less at the top end, but I think it happens more frequently in reverse so a player ranked in the 30's that someone thinks should be in the top ten doesn't get that ranking.
I do think after about player 30 the standard deviation gets pretty wide and when you get out above 50 the rankings begin to be meaningless but can have a huge difference in a players overall ranking.
In an ideal world if I were to do this work (and I am not going to and I am not complaining about the work that VG does in any way) I would probably assign a value of 50 to all players ranked 50 or above (or unranked) in all services. That would still not answer the special case for a player like Kia, but it wouldn't create quite the mess that an NR or a rank of 156 does. And it would discount the input data at a point where its reliability goes from suspect to ____. And I suspect it would have no effect or minimal effect on the final rankings of schools in the top 20.
 
AndyCT said:
Actually, I really am in the mathematical world. I come from a family of “technical people” – all the boys became engineers and the girls are all analysts. While I initially worked in engineering, today I do statistical work on my off days (which is why I don’t post very often – busy busy busy) on staffing for both my company (secondary) and the labor union (primary) which includes projecting pilot staffing levels in different bases and airplanes based on past trends. So I am all about data and trends on a level that would make your head hurt.
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Yada, yada, yada. Sorry, that don't impress me much (as the song goes). I've met many doctors, engineers, lawyers and especially educators, who aren't very bright. Not lumping you in, just sayin'. And engineers, I've worked with many of them who don't know their head from a hole in the ground, especially when it comes to how something actually works out in the real world. But I digress.

Nothing personal, but it's the internet. I really don't take a whole lot of stock in anyone telling me how smart they are.

AndyCT said:
You seem to be stuck on the idea that I and most of the others are arbitrarily throwing out the low ranking because it is low - that’s simply not so –
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Actually that's very, very so. That's exactly why some people want to throw it out.

AndyCT said:
Judgment is an important human trait and it doesn’t have to rely on some (supposedly) infallible mathematical formula.
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Ding, ding, ding. Thank you. Exactly what I was saying. People want to make a biased judgement call on a number they don't like. But only that number. They don't want to look at any other outliers, only the one.

AndyCT said:
Formulas can certainly be used to screen for outliers, but the final decision can (and usually should) still be made by a human (all my programming at work does just that – it flags outliers, but I decide whether to keep them or not).
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Ding, ding, ding again. See above.

AndyCT said:
And really, all the arguing aside, does anyone really believe that Geno thinks he signed the 156th best player in the country? I bet he doesn’t…
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We of course know Geno doesn't give a $*&^ about the ranking numbers. However, if he did, would he think he got the #156?, #14? How about Edwards? #8?, #32? What if we'd gotten Rooks, #60, #18.
 
It seems to me that there is one poster in this thread who posts every single thought that comes into his/her head. Holy smokes. Makes my teeth hurt!

I agree with the doggy and Sesame Street. One of these things is not like the other. 11, 11, 14, 156. It's comical that this argument is continuing. but I am not nearly that stubborn.
 
Where can one get a good lutefisk, Padre?
 
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Well, I can think of one thing this thread has accomplished. It's driven vowelguy underground. I, for one, was thankful for his rankings and looked forward to the updates.
I know that not everyone on this board had a great relationship with vg but he obviously spent a lot of his personal time compiling his rankings. Can his methodology be debated, yes (though I side with vg and Arsenal on this one. I never heard a peep about anyone else's ranking, only Kia's). I think the problem was how he was criticized. Such as "I did not mean to be snarky about it, but if someone spends as much time on this as he says he does, I'd think he'd want it to be at least relevant". Was it really necessary to add the "if" and "relevant" ? Casting possible doubt on how much time he really spends on it and it's relevance in general.
 
Z, It was a standard at our Christmas dinners until my Far Mor died. Plus flaskorv (pork sausage), sill (pickled herring), press sillta, julost (cheese), vortlimpa (orange rye), risgrynsgrot (rice pudding), pepparkakor (ginger snaps), lussekattor (saffron rolls), knackebrod (hard tack crackers), glogg (Christmas grog) and akvavit.
 
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Icebear said:
Z, It was a standard at our Christmas dinners until my Mor Mor died. Plus flaskorv, sill, press sillta, julost, vortlimpa, risgrynsgrot, pepparkakor, lussekattor, knackebrod, glogg and akvavit.
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With enough of the last in the list I guess you can eat anything!
 
rvwsleep said:
Well, I can think of one thing this thread has accomplished. It's driven vowelguy underground. I, for one, was thankful for his rankings and looked forward to the updates.
I know that not everyone on this board had a great relationship with vg but he obviously spent a lot of his personal time compiling his rankings. Can his methodology be debated, yes (though I side with vg and Arsenal on this one. I never heard a peep about anyone else's ranking, only Kia's). I think the problem was how he was criticized. Such as "I did not mean to be snarky about it, but if someone spends as much time on this as he says he does, I'd think he'd want it to be at least relevant". Was it really necessary to add the "if" and "relevant" ? Casting possible doubt on how much time he really spends on it and it's relevance in general.
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If someone has skin that thin, I'm not sure I have a cure for what ails them. I get this is the women's board and it's more warm and fuzzy, but I've heard worse between friends on the men's board.

If his sole purpose is to get attention from people and only a ton of "yay rah rah's", then apparently he's going to be disappointed. Any time someone makes a list, there is going to be a debate about it. Anytime someone uses SOME data that makes no sense, the debate will more likely contain criticism.

How hard would it be to appease everyone and say "here's the list using the date only by the numbers, and here's the list throwing out the outlier most everyone was so vocal about"? Seems like it would take about 2 extra minutes and all this debate would be rendered impotent.
 
Icebear said:
Z, It was a standard at our Christmas dinners until my Mor Mor died. Plus flaskorv, sill, press sillta, julost, vortlimpa, risgrynsgrot, pepparkakor, lussekattor, knackebrod, glogg and akvavit.
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I pretty much know what litefisk and akavit are; about the others I am afraid to ask. Sorry about your Mor Mor.
 
UCONNfan1 said:
If someone has skin that thin, I'm not sure I have a cure for what ails them. I get this is the women's board and it's more warm and fuzzy, but I've heard worse between friends on the men's board.
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Would you kindly stop comparing this board with the men's board? You've done it about ten times by my count and have even run over there to get their vote. It's pointless and annoying. If you like it over there better, then stay over there. Vowelguy's attitude has nothing to do with what board this is.

UCONNfan1 said:
If his sole purpose is to get attention from people and only a ton of "yay rah rah's", then apparently he's going to be disappointed.
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Unnecessary personal snipe. Yes, he can be a bit grumpy (I've referred to Irritable Vowel Syndrome) but questioning his motives is uncalled for. He's created what most people consider a valuable resource; to suggest he may be doing it "just for attention" is way yucky.

UCONNfan1 said:
How hard would it be to appease everyone and say "here's the list using the date only by the numbers, and here's the list throwing out the outlier most everyone was so vocal about"?
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How hard would it be for anyone to post his own "corrected" version of the ranking of this one player? VG doesn't have to do it in order to please your "most everyone" -- which is really only a few who want not only to comment but for HIM to do something.

And would that job stop with this one player? Or to be consistent would he have to start doing it with everybody "just to be accurate" (if piling on an additional, burdensome layer of subjectivity can be called progress toward accuracy). He's entitled to pay no further attention to this tempestuous teapot, and apparently hasn't.
 
JS said:
How hard would it be for anyone to post his own "corrected" version of the ranking of this one player? VG doesn't have to do it in order to please your "most everyone" -- which is really only a few who want not only to comment but for HIM to do something.
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I posted my own. Short and to the point.
 
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TroyHouse66 said:
"... just for truth and justice.... ranking Nurse 40 is neither truth or justice but it's probably the American way."

Now when you lads are citing this "American Way" of doing things, do you mean "American" or do you mean the "United States-er" way of doing it... eh?
Sometimes those boys (down South of Minnie-zotah) have a somewhat geocentric take on realities...
Or could the difference be in the exchange rate between the Geo.Washington dollar and the good-old Maple leaf variety... Or perhaps an intrinsic conversion ratio between the "English" system [which, realistically, probably ended in 1789 (down South)] and the good-old Metric system... eh?
To really be neighborly & accommodating, wouldn't you need to rate her in pure Canadian and then include the translation to Quebecois... non? ...eh?

Seriously...
Kia Nurse and UConn appear to be on a mutually harmonious road.
UConn and Geno desire intrinsically motivated, team oriented, high IQ, athletes to learn and polish their skills at the highest level of basketball.
Kia, by all accounts, wants to develop herself to the maximum level possible... and then push her Canadian National team to the utmost plateau of International competition.
These goals are far from exclusive of each other.
[Come sit by the Master, KN, and enjoy the warm weather in Storrs ,under our glorious Sugar Maples]
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What about that New Orleans kerfuffle circa 1814?
 
UCONNfan1 said:
It seems to me that there is one poster in this thread who posts every single thought that comes into his/her head. Holy smokes. Makes my teeth hurt!
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Or maybe that poster is just trying edumacate some people??

UCONNfan1 said:
I agree with the doggy and Sesame Street. One of these things is not like the other. 11, 11, 14, 156.
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Agree. There's no argument there. It's what you do about it, and how. And more importantly why.

UCONNfan1 said:
It's comical that this argument is continuing.
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Agreed.

UCONNfan1 said:
but I am not nearly that stubborn.
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We'll see about that. ;)
 
JS said:
And would that job stop with this one player? Or to be consistent would he have to start doing it with everybody "just to be accurate" (if piling on an additional, burdensome layer of subjectivity can be called progress toward accuracy).
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One of my main points. Getting rid of the Nurse "outlier" (assuming it is), isn't going to make the list "more accurate".

JS said:
He's entitled to pay no further attention to this tempestuous teapot, and apparently hasn't.
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I only do it because I enjoy it.
 
meyers7 said:
Or maybe that poster is just trying edumacate some people??


Agree. There's no argument there. It's what you do about it, and how. And more importantly why.


Agreed.

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We'll see about that. ;)
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I do agree with you on one thing. Growlguy is just taking information as is from the recruiting sites and treating it all equally.

It's not his fault that Hoopgurlz has her with no ranking and only 3 stars.

His chart, his choice how to handle it.
 
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