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ConnHuskBask said:
I tend to think a Big10 invite is fantasy based more on the sheer fact that schools already are giving up football games with Ohio state, Michigan, Penn state and replacing them with Rutgers and Maryland. I don't see how you can sell them on UConn and Virginia, Kansas, etc.
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All three schools are better than Louisana-Monroe, FIU, Texas State, San Jose State, Idaho, etc, on the schedule.
 
Butch said:
I have to say, this link provides revenue and subsidy numbers which are great indicators of which programs will make the cut. We should have no problem making the cut. Amazing how much Kansas and WVU are losing.
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That link omits the thirteen private schools currently in a P5 conference - if you include them, I'd guess the cut off moves up into the $50M range.
 
kyleslamb said:
You do realize that ADs have nothing to do with changing conferences right? In a few isolated cases they have input or even some level of autonomy to negotiate, but in most cases it all happens at the presidential level and most athletic directors are not given routine (if any) updates on realignment discussions.

Like I pointed out earlier, Kevin Anderson was not informed of his schools changing leagues until a few days before it happened even though they had been talking for 6 months and had an NDA signed for nearly 4 months. I assure you that not only is it not impossible to think the Illinois AD could be out of the loop, it is a likelihood.
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So you know but the athletic directors at Illinois and Indiana do not. Makes sense.
 
whaler11 said:
So you know but the athletic directors at Illinois and Indiana do not. Makes sense.
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Nice strawman. Where did I say that?

What I said was that regardless of whether or not something is being discussed behind the scenes (which I've already said I do not believe to be the case on an official basis), the athletic directors, most of them, would not know.

The part about me knowing is you putting words in my mouth.

Let me spell it out for you so that you do not take liberties with my words again... the only people that know anything for sure in most places is the president and a few key trustees. The athletic directors might hear rumors, but most of them are not kept in the loop officially. So like any rational, responsible director of athletics, they will carry on scheduling and 'business as usual' unless they hear differently. It would be reckless to make assumptions without anything being finalized, even if they were aware of rumors about a change of affiliation. Fact is, you stated it's nearly impossible to believe athletic directors would schedule teams they would wind up becoming conference members with. That is false. Most athletic directors simply aren't kept in the loop on negotiations. That's my point. I never claimed to know more than they do, nor have I especially claimed that anything is going on right now in this case (let me state for a third time that i don't believe anything is happening yet and won't for a while longer). I'm merely stating that it's an irrelevant example to cite schools scheduling for 2019 or 2020 on the basis the 'AD would know.'
 
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Fishy said:
That link omits the thirteen private schools currently in a P5 conference - if you include them, I'd guess the cut off moves up into the $50M range.
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I think $40 mil. There's loads of programs under $40 mil that have been working their way up. ODU is already $35 mil. HUGE subsidy, though. Have to wonder if subsidies will continue.

B1G money would put us in the top 30, it seems.
 
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Fishy said:
Drew is Mike Aresco.
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I just choose not to bash the teams we went 3-5 in conference against last year. Would I rather be in the B1G playing Nebraska and Ohio State? Absolutely. But I'm not gonna overreact and freak out and act like we're playing DII football all of a sudden when teams like UCF won a BCS bowl last year and ECU might've been the best team in their state (put the whooping on both UNC and NC State).

I'm cheering for the AAC to succeed just to be able to stick a huge middle finger to everyone who didn't take us. You want to take others? Fine. We'll play basketball in Greenville, NC and still win the NC while nobody watches Wake @ Pitt on ESPNU.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
I tend to think a Big10 invite is fantasy based more on the sheer fact that schools already are giving up football games with Ohio state, Michigan, Penn state and replacing them with Rutgers and Maryland. I don't see how you can sell them on UConn and Virginia, Kansas, etc.
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I know the Big Ten is already planning on adding one additional conference game to the B1G's sleight of conference games in the near future. There is even banter about perhaps adding a tenth conference game to the schedule. That seems to be a popular idea, at least among fans. So, the probability of adding an extra top-tier team to any given season's schedule is just a little greater, even if the conference is expanded. Win/loss/bowl eligibility issues aside, I know I'd much rather pay good money to watch Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, Virginia or Kansas play my home team, than watch a couple of body bag games. Even if my team is not playing Michigan, Michigan St., Penn State, Nebraska, or Ohio St., the atmosphere of the middle-of-the-pack games are a lot of fun, because they're so competitive.
 
kyleslamb said:
You do realize that ADs have nothing to do with changing conferences right? In a few isolated cases they have input or even some level of autonomy to negotiate, but in most cases it all happens at the presidential level and most athletic directors are not given routine (if any) updates on realignment discussions.

Like I pointed out earlier, Kevin Anderson was not informed of his schools changing leagues until a few days before it happened even though they had been talking for 6 months and had an NDA signed for nearly 4 months. I assure you that not only is it not impossible to think the Illinois AD could be out of the loop, it is a likelihood.
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Actually, Kevin Anderson was in on the original meetings between Maryland and The Big10 on October 12th. At least according to The Washington Post detailing how the move was made. Anderson told Loh he was crazy for even thinking of moving, but went with him to the October 12th meeting with the Big10.

Collegial maybe, but in College Park, even the thought of such a meeting was unconventional. When Loh told his athletic director, Anderson responded, “Wallace, you are not serious? You realize this is such a hot issue with our fans. You don’t want to go that direction.”

But acting on Kirwan’s advice, Loh accepted the meeting. On Oct. 12, he, Anderson and two of Anderson’s deputies — Kelly Mehrtens and Nathan Pine — flew to Chicago, where they met Delany and other Big Ten officials at the Hilton at O’Hare Airport.
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They also signed a NDA before they met. From the same article:

Before the meeting could take place, the Big Ten asked Maryland officials to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Delany did not want public discourse. A year earlier, when the Big Ten had inquired about several Big 12 schools, conference officials initially wanted transparency in the process. Instead, the public discussion led to mayhem
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Anderson did know and knew before there was an NDA.
 
Fishy said:
The hive gets angry when people say stuff like that.

My biggest worry is that we can see the ropes being thrown up around the P5 and there is absolutely no movement towards further expansion. (Please don't bother me with stories about how quiet it always is before storm - nothing is happening because nothing is happening.)

It seems impossible that a school with a $65-70M athletic is on the wrong side, but we are - no one with a bigger budget is outside of the P5 and a couple of dozen in the P5 are behind us. (I have a feeling that we'll fall down that list pretty quickly as the P5 spends their booty - I think $80-85M athletic budgets will be the norm and we'll be marked down by comparison.)

Again, it seems impossible, but right now, it's the odds-on scenario.
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The gap in revenue generated by the different conferences in the P5 coupled with this idea that NYC and the Northeast is still up for grabs suggests the movement is not over.
 
@McMurphyESPN: Sources told me #ACC has some big breaking news today. Can’t wait
 
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UCONN13KC said:
He's such a puppet. ACC going to play OOC games as in-conference?
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this or they finally reached a deal with SEC for scheduling agreement
 
Well I'm just going to assume the ACC kicked out ND and is adding UConn and Cincy. Only possible scenario, right?
 
They're probably going to announce the renaming of the NCAA Lacrosse Tournament as the Duke Invitational sponsored by Twitter.
 
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Kind of ironic the new ACC logo's colors resemble those of the Fighting Irish.
 
whaler11 said:
So your stance is no matter what evidence doesn't exist - the fact it doesn't exist is evidence of the opposite.

Oliver Stone couldn't tell a story with your narrative.

Your glass isn't half full. You've filled the Stanley Cup with Natural Ice and you're drinking it on Emile Francis' lawn.

You've created an alternate reality and then decided to attack anyone who doesn't exist there.
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The absence of optimism in your posts has always assured me you are the biggest believer of all. . .
 
coachcap said:
They're probably going to announce the renaming of the NCAA Lacrosse Tournament as the Duke Invitational sponsored by Twitter.
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Fitting, since the Men's and Women's bball tournaments should be known as the UConn invitational.
 
"American Athletic Conference can be a power conference one day, commissioner says"
Not sure if this was posted already....
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...spring-meetings-0528-20140527,0,6676408.story

"We embrace the notion of a level playing field," Aresco said. "We've seen some statements that suggest a level playing field concept should be abandon. We want to take care of the 21st century student-athlete, but do you really want to go back to the mid 20th century when it was more of a wild west atmosphere in college sports? We spend decades and decades trying to create fairness and competitive balance.

"We shouldn't be professionalizing what we do, we should be doing things for student-athletes. We can do more. We have greater resources — and even our conference has greater resources than people think — and we know the equity guys have more and there's nothing wrong with that. But you don't want it to became disengaged from the student body of the university. You want to do it within reason."
 
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Greater chance of happening: The American becomes a power conference, or UConn joins the Big 10?
 
noeynox said:
Greater chance of happening: The American becomes a power conference, or UConn joins the Big 10?
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LOL - not even close, UCONN to Big Ten.

I'm holding out hope the ACC announcement gets us out of our current situation, however slim the chances are.
 
noeynox said:
Greater chance of happening: The American becomes a power conference, or UConn joins the Big 10?
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UCONN joins the Big 10. I don't agree with it though. There are far too many quality schools in the AAC to be left behind.
 
noeynox said:
Greater chance of happening: The American becomes a power conference, or UConn joins the Big 10?
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Too many groups worked too hard at dismantling the old Big East. They will not allow The American become a Power Conference.
 
It does not benefit the Other 5 conferences or Notre Dame to split up the pie any further. The Other 5 conferences were looking to kick the Big East out of the BCS ten years ago. Then, their job was almost taken care of for them by the Big 12 destabilization 5 years later, but that didn't happen. The only way the AAC becomes a power conference is if half merges with the leftovers of a Texas-less Big 12. IF UConn is included in that shake up, they will still have travel issues, unless the Big Ten pick them up.
 
Husky25 said:
It does not benefit the Other 5 conferences or Notre Dame to split up the pie any further. The Other 5 conferences were looking to kick the Big East out of the BCS ten years ago. Then, their job was almost taken care of for them by the Big 12 destabilization 5 years later, but that didn't happen. The only way the AAC becomes a power conference is if half merges with the leftovers of a Texas-less Big 12. IF UConn is included in that shake up, they will still have travel issues, unless the Big Ten pick them up.
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Did you see the Jay Bilas tweet today?
 
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