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JeepCSC said:
The new contract is in 2026. So the argument is basically the ACC is 2-years ahead of the Big XII’s timeline, before we get to whatever additional money comes from expanding the carriage coverage of the ACCN. Again, the ACC will remain ahead of the Big XII for the foreseeable future in payouts, until the ACC breaks apart. Then it becomes how big the departures are.
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The Big 12 media contract extension begins in the 2025/2026 season which is this year. Bottom line is that starting this year, the ACC and Big 12 conference payouts will be similar, but the ACCN revenues gives the ACC a slight edge in total payout.

Also the Big 12 will be on multiple networks. Beginning in 2025, the Big 12 will have three linear television options for its football inventory (ESPN, FOX, TNT) and four networks for basketball (ESPN, FOX, TNT, and CBS). Beginning in 2025, TNT will broadcast 13 football games and 15 basketball games that previously would have been on ESPN+.
 
UConnJim said:
The Big 12 media contract extension begins in the 2025/2026 season which is this year. Bottom line is that starting this year, the ACC and Big 12 conference payouts will be similar, but the ACCN revenues gives the ACC a slight edge in total payout.

Also the Big 12 will be on multiple networks. Beginning in 2025, the Big 12 will have three linear television options for its football inventory (ESPN, FOX, TNT) and four networks for basketball (ESPN, FOX, TNT, and CBS). Beginning in 2025, TNT will broadcast 13 football games and 15 basketball games that previously would have been on ESPN+.
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This season is 2024-2025. You are saying Big XII's payout next season (2025-2026) will be comparable to the ACC's payout last season (2023-2024). But there will be two years of elevated payments for the ACC and whatever the ACCN churns out with California and Texas footprints in-between.

No one is moving conferences so they can get on TNT, so that's just a big shrug.
 
JeepCSC said:
No one is moving conferences so they can get on TNT, so that's just a big shrug.
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Agree, but all things being equal, I'd rather be on TNT than ESPN+.
 
JeepCSC said:
This season is 2024-2025. You are saying Big XII's payout next season (2025-2026) will be comparable to the ACC's payout last season (2023-2024). But there will be two years of elevated payments for the ACC and whatever the ACCN churns out with California and Texas footprints in-between.

No one is moving conferences so they can get on TNT, so that's just a big shrug.
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Here is some more math. In the 2023/2024 season, the ACC paid out $43.1 to $46.4 million to each school (excluding ND) including the ACCN. The Big 12 paid out $38 to $42 million to each school (excluding the newcomers). But, the Big 12 took a $47 million hit due to the Sugar Bowl being in the CFP which equals about $4 million per the 12 schools which would have brought the Big 12 to $42 to $46 million per the 12 schools which is about the same as the ACC. The Big 12 gets a media contract boost in 2025/2026, but has 4 new mouths to feed. The ACC gets a boost from the ACCN in Texas and California, but they are only getting in-market rates in Dallas and Northern California, not the whole states. And, the ACC is going to unequal revenue sharing so it is likely that the top schools in the ACC will make more than the Big 12 schools and the lesser schools will make less. And, it is clear that Cal, Stanford, and SMU will make significantly less than all the Big 12 schools.
 
UConnJim said:
Here is some more math. In the 2023/2024 season, the ACC paid out $43.1 to $46.4 million to each school (excluding ND) including the ACCN. The Big 12 paid out $38 to $42 million to each school (excluding the newcomers). But, the Big 12 took a $47 million hit due to the Sugar Bowl being in the CFP which equals about $4 million per the 12 schools which would have brought the Big 12 to $42 to $46 million per the 12 schools which is about the same as the ACC. The Big 12 gets a media contract boost in 2025/2026, but has 4 new mouths to feed. The ACC gets a boost from the ACCN in Texas and California, but they are only getting in-market rates in Dallas and Northern California, not the whole states. And, the ACC is going to unequal revenue sharing so it is likely that the top schools in the ACC will make more than the Big 12 schools and the lesser schools will make less. And, it is clear that Cal, Stanford, and SMU will make significantly less than all the Big 12 schools.
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They should cut BC's pay. They bring nothing to the table.
 
UConnJim said:
Here is some more math. In the 2023/2024 season, the ACC paid out $43.1 to $46.4 million to each school (excluding ND) including the ACCN. The Big 12 paid out $38 to $42 million to each school (excluding the newcomers). But, the Big 12 took a $47 million hit due to the Sugar Bowl being in the CFP which equals about $4 million per the 12 schools which would have brought the Big 12 to $42 to $46 million per the 12 schools which is about the same as the ACC. The Big 12 gets a media contract boost in 2025/2026, but has 4 new mouths to feed. The ACC gets a boost from the ACCN in Texas and California, but they are only getting in-market rates in Dallas and Northern California, not the whole states. And, the ACC is going to unequal revenue sharing so it is likely that the top schools in the ACC will make more than the Big 12 schools and the lesser schools will make less. And, it is clear that Cal, Stanford, and SMU will make significantly less than all the Big 12 schools.
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The Big XII lost the Sugar Bowl money and gained the $80 million or so they withheld from the new joiners, so they came out ahead. They still finished about $5 million behind the ACC. Going forward, the ACCN will expand their footprint. Even if limited to Dallas (#5 tv market) and the Bay Area (#6 tv market), it’s extra money. Thats before we consider the influx of cash from the new joiners (who came at even a bigger discount than the Big XII). Or the escalator growth baked into the contract.

It’s likely the top-half of the ACC will get paid better than the top half of the Big XII for the foreseeable future. SMU, Houston, Syracuse, and Kansas State are not the fulcrum on which the conference wars will be decided.
 
About that FY 2023-2024 conference revenue story, if you take the $711.4 million ACC number divided by 14.5 = $49.1 million while the $493.8 million Big 12 number divided by 12 = $41.2 million. The 14.5 was 14 full members at the time plus a one-half share for ND. The 12 number would be the ten full time members of the Big 12 at that time plus half shares for the four G5 teams that came in. Note this number is greater than the stated ACC payouts as the Conference takes $$ off the top to run their operations before distributing the remainder to the schools. We really should divide after operating expenses have been deducted and operating expenses vary from year to year and conference to conference.

I also recall that the conference payouts do not use the same metric or measuring stick. The Big 10 included gate receipts in theirs, expanding their number, maybe the only conference to do that. (I read they did that several or more years ago and suspect they still do.) Like others have said, the traditional fiscal year (FY) in business is from July 1st of one year to June 30th of the next. It's a little different in government. I think the State of Florida and USG has a FY going from October 1st to September 30th.

Also, I recall reading that after the Big 12 went back to 12 schools again with the addition of BYU and the three AAC schools, the pro rata portion of their contracts was modified to give them full support only with the addition of P5 schools, but they cleared that bar with the addition of the four PAC12 schools a year later and were not caught. This is what I remember, anyway. I have also read that ESPN can renegotiate their ACC contract should the conference fall below 15 schools (counting ND) and that was probably another reason for the expansion push, along with ND supporting Cal Berkeley and Stanford, two of the best academic schools outside the Ivy League.
 
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Rufus said:
Sea monkey?
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Used to love those things.
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(Of course, these days there would probably be some disclaimer like "Image is not actual representation. Does not contain actual Simian life."
 
Since the B10 and the SEC now have a stranglehold on the CFP with the B12 and the ACC relegated to minor players, perhaps the importance of basketball will be on the upswing.
 
mike012 said:
lol if he did what was best for the Big12 and voted against the Sec and Big. There wouldn’t be a Big12 allowed in the playoff.
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I don't buy that. The Big 12 and ACC could have showed some backbone and the G6 probably would have followed. This makes the ACC and Big 12 more like G conferences. Let the P2 split off already.
 

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