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The ACC has consistently made more than the B12, regardless of revenue share or ACCN payouts. Really the only question is what happens when and if one of the ACC schools try to leave. Then the scramble begins. If it's a limited loss, the ACC might be able to plug holes with West Virginia and UCF. A bigger loss, and then BXII can scavenge on the leftovers (though the gains would likely be minimal as Tier 3 ACC schools aren't really moving many needles).
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These numbers show how inept most of these universities are. The money they make versus the product on the field and courts is mind boggling when you compare that to UConn. If we had that money.......
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I'm not used to ineptness being demonstrated by large amounts of money rolling in for a mediocre product. That would seem to illustrate eptness in making money, at least by everyone not named UConn.
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The haves and the have nots
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and when the likes of an Alabama, Notre Dame or Michigan get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, whose legal team goes to war with the likes of ABC, NBC or FOX when their multi-billion dollar media investments are suddenly jeopardized because a big brand is threatened with punishment/eviction? It's going to be the same thing every school did to the NCAA once sanctions were levied. "We'll see you in court".
They want the NFL model, but you don't have collective bargaining or a union for NCAA athletes, so it's not going to work. The P4 has brought this upon themselves over the last 30 years with taking every NCAA challenge to court.
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Here is the math.
In the USA Today article, the Big 12 got $493.8 million and the ACC got $711 million. With the addition of UCF/Houston/Cincinnati/BYU, the Big 12 media contract increased from $220 million to $380 million in 2025. Also, in the article, the Big 12 was hurt by $47 million in bowl revenue because the Sugar Bowl was in the CFP. Take the Big 12 revenue of $493.8 million add in the media increase of $160 million, and add in the $47 in missed bowl revenues and you get the Big 12 to $701 million for 16 schools or ~$43.8 million per school which is about what the ACC will make per school before the ACCN revenues. And, it is estimated that both the ACC and Big 12 schools will be making close to $50 million per year +/- in the near future when the new CFP contract kicks in.
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Hey mate, it's been several months since you last posted. Everything going okay with you?
As to the article you posted, well that was what the Px wanted. I like how the article ended:
Let. It. Burn. ^_^
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Been a heck of a year....volunteered for a little bit after Helene helping with access to a few homes here in North Carolina that were isolated by washed out roads...than stayed down in Florida awhile assisting our son in St. Petersburg with demo and rebuilding...than worked with him to form an LLC and he has had all the business he can handle...he needed help to get started, a couple of trucks, insurance, license, etc...
He has been doing well and I have backed away....and I have returned to being an aged retiree who has time on his hands.
He has been doing well and I have backed away....and I have returned to being an aged retiree who has time on his hands.
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The P2 will carry the masquerade of the P4 and will make the decisions re NIL, enforcement, etc....
Who knows, with the involvement of the courts, state legislation, possible national legislation...how this all works out ?
Change has happened so quickly...with kids making more in college that they would in the NFL (if they got there), unrestrained free agency, etc...that it has college football coaches breaking out in hives. Tennessee "inks" a premium QB for millions in NIL only to see the guy leave a year later for a better offer.
Who knows, with the involvement of the courts, state legislation, possible national legislation...how this all works out ?
Change has happened so quickly...with kids making more in college that they would in the NFL (if they got there), unrestrained free agency, etc...that it has college football coaches breaking out in hives. Tennessee "inks" a premium QB for millions in NIL only to see the guy leave a year later for a better offer.
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Welcome back.
The new contract is in 2026. So the argument is basically the ACC is 2-years ahead of the Big XII’s timeline, before we get to whatever additional money comes from expanding the carriage coverage of the ACCN. Again, the ACC will remain ahead of the Big XII for the foreseeable future in payouts, until the ACC breaks apart. Then it becomes how big the departures are.
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The Big 12 media contract extension begins in the 2025/2026 season which is this year. Bottom line is that starting this year, the ACC and Big 12 conference payouts will be similar, but the ACCN revenues gives the ACC a slight edge in total payout.
Also the Big 12 will be on multiple networks. Beginning in 2025, the Big 12 will have three linear television options for its football inventory (ESPN, FOX, TNT) and four networks for basketball (ESPN, FOX, TNT, and CBS). Beginning in 2025, TNT will broadcast 13 football games and 15 basketball games that previously would have been on ESPN+.
This season is 2024-2025. You are saying Big XII's payout next season (2025-2026) will be comparable to the ACC's payout last season (2023-2024). But there will be two years of elevated payments for the ACC and whatever the ACCN churns out with California and Texas footprints in-between.
No one is moving conferences so they can get on TNT, so that's just a big shrug.
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Agree, but all things being equal, I'd rather be on TNT than ESPN+.
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Here is some more math. In the 2023/2024 season, the ACC paid out $43.1 to $46.4 million to each school (excluding ND) including the ACCN. The Big 12 paid out $38 to $42 million to each school (excluding the newcomers). But, the Big 12 took a $47 million hit due to the Sugar Bowl being in the CFP which equals about $4 million per the 12 schools which would have brought the Big 12 to $42 to $46 million per the 12 schools which is about the same as the ACC. The Big 12 gets a media contract boost in 2025/2026, but has 4 new mouths to feed. The ACC gets a boost from the ACCN in Texas and California, but they are only getting in-market rates in Dallas and Northern California, not the whole states. And, the ACC is going to unequal revenue sharing so it is likely that the top schools in the ACC will make more than the Big 12 schools and the lesser schools will make less. And, it is clear that Cal, Stanford, and SMU will make significantly less than all the Big 12 schools.
They should cut BC's pay. They bring nothing to the table.
The Big XII lost the Sugar Bowl money and gained the $80 million or so they withheld from the new joiners, so they came out ahead. They still finished about $5 million behind the ACC. Going forward, the ACCN will expand their footprint. Even if limited to Dallas (#5 tv market) and the Bay Area (#6 tv market), it’s extra money. Thats before we consider the influx of cash from the new joiners (who came at even a bigger discount than the Big XII). Or the escalator growth baked into the contract.
It’s likely the top-half of the ACC will get paid better than the top half of the Big XII for the foreseeable future. SMU, Houston, Syracuse, and Kansas State are not the fulcrum on which the conference wars will be decided.
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They are.
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About that FY 2023-2024 conference revenue story, if you take the $711.4 million ACC number divided by 14.5 = $49.1 million while the $493.8 million Big 12 number divided by 12 = $41.2 million. The 14.5 was 14 full members at the time plus a one-half share for ND. The 12 number would be the ten full time members of the Big 12 at that time plus half shares for the four G5 teams that came in. Note this number is greater than the stated ACC payouts as the Conference takes $$ off the top to run their operations before distributing the remainder to the schools. We really should divide after operating expenses have been deducted and operating expenses vary from year to year and conference to conference.
I also recall that the conference payouts do not use the same metric or measuring stick. The Big 10 included gate receipts in theirs, expanding their number, maybe the only conference to do that. (I read they did that several or more years ago and suspect they still do.) Like others have said, the traditional fiscal year (FY) in business is from July 1st of one year to June 30th of the next. It's a little different in government. I think the State of Florida and USG has a FY going from October 1st to September 30th.
Also, I recall reading that after the Big 12 went back to 12 schools again with the addition of BYU and the three AAC schools, the pro rata portion of their contracts was modified to give them full support only with the addition of P5 schools, but they cleared that bar with the addition of the four PAC12 schools a year later and were not caught. This is what I remember, anyway. I have also read that ESPN can renegotiate their ACC contract should the conference fall below 15 schools (counting ND) and that was probably another reason for the expansion push, along with ND supporting Cal Berkeley and Stanford, two of the best academic schools outside the Ivy League.
I also recall that the conference payouts do not use the same metric or measuring stick. The Big 10 included gate receipts in theirs, expanding their number, maybe the only conference to do that. (I read they did that several or more years ago and suspect they still do.) Like others have said, the traditional fiscal year (FY) in business is from July 1st of one year to June 30th of the next. It's a little different in government. I think the State of Florida and USG has a FY going from October 1st to September 30th.
Also, I recall reading that after the Big 12 went back to 12 schools again with the addition of BYU and the three AAC schools, the pro rata portion of their contracts was modified to give them full support only with the addition of P5 schools, but they cleared that bar with the addition of the four PAC12 schools a year later and were not caught. This is what I remember, anyway. I have also read that ESPN can renegotiate their ACC contract should the conference fall below 15 schools (counting ND) and that was probably another reason for the expansion push, along with ND supporting Cal Berkeley and Stanford, two of the best academic schools outside the Ivy League.
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