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[ZooCougar]

I thought it was common knowledge that the ACC brought in more money than the Big 12?

 

[CL82]

I thought it was common knowledge that the ACC brought in more money than the Big 12?

I was surprised by the extent of the difference. But that may just be me.

 

[huskymedic]

Interesting that ACC so much higher than B12

 

[Fishy]

You have to analyze the numbers to figure out what is going on. For the Big 12, Texas and Oklahoma received full shares and they added 4 schools, although at reduced shares. And, you have 3 schools joining the ACC at lower or zero share with a revenue boost to the ACCN. Basically, the ACC and Big 12 get about the same from the CFP and bowls and they have similar media contracts. The difference in payout is the ACCN which is still being sold as part of the cable bundle.

The two key questions to better understand the ACC vs Big 12 payouts in the coming years are:
1) What will the ACCN revenues be in the future as cord cutting continues?
2) What will the Big 12 media contract be after 2030/2031?

The ACC makes more than the B12 and it is not particularly close.

The B12 had four schools basically making a half share. The per school share will be reduced when they are granted full shares.

 

[buddy]

More reason to hate ESPN and BC even more.

 

[huskymedic]

-> The AAC reported $143,891,433 in revenue for the fiscal year, which ran from June 1, 2023 to May 30, 2024, according to federal tax documents. That was an increase of about $23 million from the year prior, but that can be attributed mostly to a $25 million exit payment from SMU, which left for the ACC in 2024.<-

-> These numbers are for total payouts and include money for elements such as NCAA postseason tournaments and media rights. The AAC received $70.1 million in TV and radio rights for the 2024 fiscal year.

1. Memphis ($11 million)
2. Tulane ($10.8 million)
3. SMU ($10.4 million)
4. South Florida ($10.3 million)
5. Temple ($9.7 million)
6. East Carolina ($9.7 million)
7. Tulsa ($9.6 million)
8. Navy ($7.3 million)
9. UTSA ($4.9 million)
10. Rice ($4.8 million)
11. Florida Atlantic ($4.3 million)
12. UAB ($4.3 million)
13. Charlotte ($4.3 million)
14. North Texas ($4.2 million)
15. Wichita State ($3.3 million) <-

 

[CTFaninCali]

-> The AAC reported $143,891,433 in revenue for the fiscal year, which ran from June 1, 2023 to May 30, 2024, according to federal tax documents. That was an increase of about $23 million from the year prior, but that can be attributed mostly to a $25 million exit payment from SMU, which left for the ACC in 2024.<-

-> These numbers are for total payouts and include money for elements such as NCAA postseason tournaments and media rights. The AAC received $70.1 million in TV and radio rights for the 2024 fiscal year.

1. Memphis ($11 million)
2. Tulane ($10.8 million)
3. SMU ($10.4 million)
4. South Florida ($10.3 million)
5. Temple ($9.7 million)
6. East Carolina ($9.7 million)
7. Tulsa ($9.6 million)
8. Navy ($7.3 million)
9. UTSA ($4.9 million)
10. Rice ($4.8 million)
11. Florida Atlantic ($4.3 million)
12. UAB ($4.3 million)
13. Charlotte ($4.3 million)
14. North Texas ($4.2 million)
15. Wichita State ($3.3 million) <-

25M of a 23M increase isn’t mostly. The headline is AAC revenue fell, offset by a one-time exit payment by SMU.

 

[UConnJim]

The ACC makes more than the B12 and it is not particularly close.

The B12 had four schools basically making a half share. The per school share will be reduced when they are granted full shares.

The media contracts per school and the CFP/Bowl payout per school are pretty close (remember, ESPN/FOX upped the media contract with the addition of UCF/BYU/Cincinnati/Houston even though Oklahoma and Texas were leaving), but the ACC has the ACCN which is significant per school and, going forward, unequal payouts per school as SMU will receive no media share and Cal and Stanford get 30% for the first 7 years. It's estimated that the overall payout per Big 12 school will be close to $50 million over the next few years.

 

[Fishy]

The media contracts per school and the CFP/Bowl payout per school are pretty close (remember, ESPN/FOX upped the media contract with the addition of UCF/BYU/Cincinnati/Houston even though Oklahoma and Texas were leaving), but the ACC has the ACCN which is significant per school and, going forward, unequal payouts per school as SMU will receive no media share and Cal and Stanford get 30% for the first 7 years. It's estimated that the overall payout per Big 12 school will be close to $50 million over the next few years.

You can try to slice this a zillion ways - the ACC revenue will continue to exceed the B12s

Just telling you what it is.

 

[UConnJim]

You can try to slice this a zillion ways - the ACC revenue will continue to exceed the B12s

Just telling you what it is.

As long as unequal revenue sharing continues and cord cutting doesn’t hit the ACCN, you are correct.

 

[Drew]

 

[JeepCSC]

As long as unequal revenue sharing continues and cord cutting doesn’t hit the ACCN, you are correct.

The ACC has consistently made more than the B12, regardless of revenue share or ACCN payouts. Really the only question is what happens when and if one of the ACC schools try to leave. Then the scramble begins. If it's a limited loss, the ACC might be able to plug holes with West Virginia and UCF. A bigger loss, and then BXII can scavenge on the leftovers (though the gains would likely be minimal as Tier 3 ACC schools aren't really moving many needles).

 

[hardcorehusky]

These numbers show how inept most of these universities are. The money they make versus the product on the field and courts is mind boggling when you compare that to UConn. If we had that money.......

 

[pj]

These numbers show how inept most of these universities are. The money they make versus the product on the field and courts is mind boggling when you compare that to UConn. If we had that money.......

I'm not used to ineptness being demonstrated by large amounts of money rolling in for a mediocre product. That would seem to illustrate eptness in making money, at least by everyone not named UConn.

 

[huskymedic]

But not as interesting as the fact that the Big 12 is lower than the now defunct PAC 12.

 

[Rappin'Rodney]

 

[NowInStorrs]

The haves and the have nots

 

[Hamms30]

and when the likes of an Alabama, Notre Dame or Michigan get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, whose legal team goes to war with the likes of ABC, NBC or FOX when their multi-billion dollar media investments are suddenly jeopardized because a big brand is threatened with punishment/eviction? It's going to be the same thing every school did to the NCAA once sanctions were levied. "We'll see you in court".

They want the NFL model, but you don't have collective bargaining or a union for NCAA athletes, so it's not going to work. The P4 has brought this upon themselves over the last 30 years with taking every NCAA challenge to court.

 

[UConnJim]

The ACC has consistently made more than the B12, regardless of revenue share or ACCN payouts. Really the only question is what happens when and if one of the ACC schools try to leave. Then the scramble begins. If it's a limited loss, the ACC might be able to plug holes with West Virginia and UCF. A bigger loss, and then BXII can scavenge on the leftovers (though the gains would likely be minimal as Tier 3 ACC schools aren't really moving many needles).

Here is the math.

In the USA Today article, the Big 12 got $493.8 million and the ACC got $711 million. With the addition of UCF/Houston/Cincinnati/BYU, the Big 12 media contract increased from $220 million to $380 million in 2025. Also, in the article, the Big 12 was hurt by $47 million in bowl revenue because the Sugar Bowl was in the CFP. Take the Big 12 revenue of $493.8 million add in the media increase of $160 million, and add in the $47 in missed bowl revenues and you get the Big 12 to $701 million for 16 schools or ~$43.8 million per school which is about what the ACC will make per school before the ACCN revenues. And, it is estimated that both the ACC and Big 12 schools will be making close to $50 million per year +/- in the near future when the new CFP contract kicks in.

 

[billybud]

 

[KryHavok]

https://x.com/FOS/status/1924874820233130107

Hey mate, it's been several months since you last posted. Everything going okay with you?

As to the article you posted, well that was what the Px wanted. I like how the article ended:

But at this point it’s unknown whether the memo will give the power conferences the teeth to implement these enforcement mechanisms successfully. Attorney Darren Heitner, who has spoken with a handful of college coaches about the memo, tells FOS: “General consensus is that it’s a s***show—and going to keep me busy.”

In other words, the power conferences could run into some of the same issues that have plagued the NCAA for more than a decade: Antitrust lawsuits that continue chipping away at their control over whether and how much players get paid.

Let. It. Burn. ^_^

 

[billybud]

Been a heck of a year....volunteered for a little bit after Helene helping with access to a few homes here in North Carolina that were isolated by washed out roads...than stayed down in Florida awhile assisting our son in St. Petersburg with demo and rebuilding...than worked with him to form an LLC and he has had all the business he can handle...he needed help to get started, a couple of trucks, insurance, license, etc...

He has been doing well and I have backed away....and I have returned to being an aged retiree who has time on his hands.

 

[billybud]

The P2 will carry the masquerade of the P4 and will make the decisions re NIL, enforcement, etc....

Who knows, with the involvement of the courts, state legislation, possible national legislation...how this all works out ?

Change has happened so quickly...with kids making more in college that they would in the NFL (if they got there), unrestrained free agency, etc...that it has college football coaches breaking out in hives. Tennessee "inks" a premium QB for millions in NIL only to see the guy leave a year later for a better offer.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Been a heck of a year....volunteered for a little bit after Helene helping with access to a few homes here in North Carolina that were isolated by washed out roads...than stayed down in Florida awhile assisting our son in St. Petersburg with demo and rebuilding...than worked with him to form an LLC and he has had all the business he can handle...he needed help to get started, a couple of trucks, insurance, license, etc...

He has been doing well and I have backed away....and I have returned to being an aged retiree who has time on his hands.

Welcome back.

 

[JeepCSC]

Here is the math.

In the USA Today article, the Big 12 got $493.8 million and the ACC got $711 million. With the addition of UCF/Houston/Cincinnati/BYU, the Big 12 media contract increased from $220 million to $380 million in 2025. Also, in the article, the Big 12 was hurt by $47 million in bowl revenue because the Sugar Bowl was in the CFP. Take the Big 12 revenue of $493.8 million add in the media increase of $160 million, and add in the $47 in missed bowl revenues and you get the Big 12 to $701 million for 16 schools or ~$43.8 million per school which is about what the ACC will make per school before the ACCN revenues. And, it is estimated that both the ACC and Big 12 schools will be making close to $50 million per year +/- in the near future when the new CFP contract kicks in.

The new contract is in 2026. So the argument is basically the ACC is 2-years ahead of the Big XII’s timeline, before we get to whatever additional money comes from expanding the carriage coverage of the ACCN. Again, the ACC will remain ahead of the Big XII for the foreseeable future in payouts, until the ACC breaks apart. Then it becomes how big the departures are.