Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Fishy]

What I want is for FSU and Clemson to leave and for the ACC to ask UConn to join, the sooner the better!

It’s not going to happen.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

For the skeptics who think UConn has no chance of joining the ACC, this will be a different conference once FSU and Clemson depart. We have a chance if we don't pull the same kind of mistake we did a dozen years ago.

 

[LetsGoUC]

We’re not even in the conversation.

“Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark has even focused on basketball, which he views as undervalued. A Big 12 with basketball powers that include Arizona, Kansas, Baylor, UNC, Duke, Virginia, Louisville and so on would easily be the best in the country.”

Yeah the basketball power that is Louisville, nice call.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

What’s our football value?

Not sure tulanes is much more just because they’ve been decent for a year or two. If ACC loses FSU/Clemson/UNC/UVa/Miami it’s a nothing conference. Maybe a Big East merger but it’s not worth a thing.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

Not even Santa can make that happ

Not sure tulanes is much more just because they’ve been decent for a year or two. If ACC loses FSU/Clemson/UNC/UVa/Miami it’s a nothing conference. Maybe a Big East merger but it’s not worth a thing.

That's why we may be able to sneak in.

 

[Rufus]

WTH is "indirect collusion" ?

Sounds like "indirectly pregnant."

Working through third parties so there is no direct contact between the schools and conferences.

 

[Gburyhusky]

Hard pass on joining a conference called the new ACC which is mostly the old AAC. It's not worth us damaging the basketball brand to chase football in a glorified G5 league. As painful as it is for some to hear, UConn as an institutional whole is better off in a thriving Big East with independent football than it would be in a watered down ACC. Read Mike Anthony's piece today about the demand for basketball tickets and that will tell you most of what you need to know here.

 

[CL82]

I hear that the ACC will offer Seton Hall a spot if FSU leaves.

 

[shizzle787]

FSU joining the Big 12 makes no sense. The ACC schools make more than the Big 12 schools, and the better brands are in the ACC.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

FSU joining the Big 12 makes no sense. The ACC schools make more than the Big 12 schools, and the better brands are in the ACC.

Unless all those brands leave but yeah you’re right

 

[buddy]

FSU joining the Big 12 makes no sense. The ACC schools make more than the Big 12 schools, and the better brands are in the ACC.

I think the Big 12 will survive as the P3 and the addition of FSU will strengthen them even more. Maybe they will add Clemson as well and eventually the other ACC schools listed in a previous post above. And yes, Louisville will survive. The absolute tragedy here was the Big 12 train leaving UConn at the station. There is no longer anywhere to go but down. Only Wake and BC will be left, like OSU and WSU are in the former PAC 12.

 

[huskymedic]

From yesterday but timely discussion:



-> As for Kelly’s proposed 64-team football conference — that sounds neat and tidy, but what incentive do the SEC and Big Ten have to join forces with the less-valued ACC and Big 12? “Every year, we (would) play seven games against the West Coast teams, and then we play the East — Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia. Then the next year you play the South, while you still play your seven (West Coast) teams.” That’s . . . not an attractive schedule. Fox is paying you guys $65 million a year to play Ohio State and Penn State, not Syracuse and Boston College.

As I’ve written every couple of months for the past five years, when conference consolidation comes, the magic cutline won’t be 64; it will be 32 or less. It will be the very top brands that drive the overwhelming majority of the television value banding together. Especially once the courts inevitably rule that schools must share their revenue with the athletes and/or pay them a salary. Ohio State, with its $250 million in annual athletics revenue, can afford to cut those checks without breaking a sweat. Maryland, whose overall budget is less than half that ($114 million), would have a much tougher time of it. <-

 

[Drew]

From yesterday but timely discussion:

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCFB/status/1737503374222696463?s=20

-> As for Kelly’s proposed 64-team football conference — that sounds neat and tidy, but what incentive do the SEC and Big Ten have to join forces with the less-valued ACC and Big 12? “Every year, we (would) play seven games against the West Coast teams, and then we play the East — Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia. Then the next year you play the South, while you still play your seven (West Coast) teams.” That’s . . . not an attractive schedule. Fox is paying you guys $65 million a year to play Ohio State and Penn State, not Syracuse and Boston College.

As I’ve written every couple of months for the past five years, when conference consolidation comes, the magic cutline won’t be 64; it will be 32 or less. It will be the very top brands that drive the overwhelming majority of the television value banding together. Especially once the courts inevitably rule that schools must share their revenue with the athletes and/or pay them a salary. Ohio State, with its $250 million in annual athletics revenue, can afford to cut those checks without breaking a sweat. Maryland, whose overall budget is less than half that ($114 million), would have a much tougher time of it. <-

I love how the writer knows that Maryland is screwed with an athletics budget of $114M but Shizzle still thinks teams like Saint Louis and DePaul are going to be able to play in this new world with budgets 1/4 of that

 

[shizzle787]

I think the Big 12 will survive as the P3 and the addition of FSU will strengthen them even more. Maybe they will add Clemson as well and eventually the other ACC schools listed in a previous post above. And yes, Louisville will survive. The absolute tragedy here was the Big 12 train leaving UConn at the station. There is no longer anywhere to go but down. Only Wake and BC will be left, like OSU and WSU are in the former PAC 12.

Florida State is trying to make more revenue, not less. The Big 12 is a step back revenue-wise.

 

[shizzle787]

I love how the writer knows that Maryland is screwed with an athletics budget of $114M but Shizzle still thinks teams like Saint Louis and DePaul are going to be able to play in this new world with budgets 1/4 of that

They are going to pay their athletes (after they get to the minimum number of sports) as close to minimum wage as possible. They will afford it. Will they compete? No. Will they try? Yes.

 

[Vowelguy]

Working through third parties so there is no direct contact between the schools and conferences.

There was no reason for the B10 to collude with anyone. They got UCLA and USC.

After that the BiG didn't care. They took Ore/Wash, but that was a borderline call, not some awesome prize they were waiting to be available.

And if they really wanted them, they would've offered them before Colorado bolted. The BiG needed nothing from the B12.

The B12 was the big winner of the PAC collapsing. It got programs that added value, and it got one less competitor to fight for the remaining scraps not taken by BiG/SEC.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

Hard pass on joining a conference called the new ACC which is mostly the old AAC. It's not worth us damaging the basketball brand to chase football in a glorified G5 league. As painful as it is for some to hear, UConn as an institutional whole is better off in a thriving Big East with independent football than it would be in a watered down ACC. Read Mike Anthony's piece today about the demand for basketball tickets and that will tell you most of what you need to know here.

This is ridiculous. Even if FSU and Clemson leave, we aren't sure who will remain, and the ACC may still include some basketball powerhouses. There are only a few landing spots for teams leaving the ACC and there are simply not that many available spots in other conferences.

 

[LetsGoUC]

I think the report saying the FSU could join the Big 12 is simply smoke. They want B1G or SEC, nothing else.

 

[BigTenFan]

I hear that the ACC will offer Seton Hall a spot if FSU leaves.

If that doesn't work -they will extend and offer to New Canaan HS

 

[Vowelguy]

This is ridiculous. Even if FSU and Clemson leave, we aren't sure who will remain, and the ACC may still include some basketball powerhouses. There are only a few landing spots for teams leaving the ACC and there are simply not that many available spots in other conferences.

This is like B12 redux. Folks are stressing over an offer that is not going to happen.

Go enjoy your holidays.

 

[How Sway?!]

The more I think about it, the more FSU to the B1G is actually a win for everyone involved:

- B1G invites Florida State for play beginning in 2025, Seminoles accept before August 15, 2024 deadline

- FSU agrees to pull a SMU/ACC deal with the Big Ten, forfeiting tv revenue from the league until the ACC GOR expires in 2036

- FSU borrows the expected TV revenue from the B1G per annum from JP Morgan, who they’ve already hired as a strategic partner for the Athletic Department

- B1G adds another football power to the league to increase long term strength of the league and open FL for recruiting

- B1G TV partners get increased ratings from games with FSU without having to immediately pony up additional cash to the league

- Long term TV rights for the B1G increase and they’re in a better position for the next TV negotiations in 2030

Seems like a win for everyone

Seem to be forgetting how much it's going to cost to get out of the GOR. Half of any revenue FSU would make in a new league would probably be used to pay the buyout, so they'd be in the same boat as they are now.

 

[Rufus]

Florida State leaving the ACC would have massive ramifications for the future of college athletics

FSU desperately wants out of the ACC and its 20-year contract with ESPN, but every turn of conference realignment brings something unexpected.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Rockford]

UNC is the coveted prize. FSU is in for a very rude awakening.

Wrong. Conference realignment is about football and TV viewership. FSU is a HUGE football brand and will be coveted by the BiG. conference. Gives them the Florida market in SEC backyard for TV, fans and recruiting. OSU, Mich, Penn State, Oregon, Wash to Tallahassee or at their stadiums? Huge interest, ratings and an additional huge fan base. Tell us more about UNC football.

 

[Drew]

Wrong. Conference realignment is about football and TV viewership. FSU is a HUGE football brand and will be coveted by the BiG. conference. Gives them the Florida market in SEC backyard for TV, fans and recruiting. OSU, Mich, Penn State, Oregon, Wash to Tallahassee or at their stadiums? Huge interest, ratings and an additional huge fan base. Tell us more about UNC football.

 

[Rufus]

I can't get over the shortsightedness of the leaders of the top ACC brands for signing a long-term grant of rights. I knew that was a mistake from day one. I think a lot of people did. Temporary stability does not create long-term viability.