Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Vowelguy]

But recent events have forced the school and its backers to abandon the righteous indignation stance. It was obnoxious before and no longer tenable now.​

Nails it.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/11/17/michigan-jim-harbaugh-sign-stealing-conclusion-quiet

 

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But recent events have forced the school and its backers to abandon the righteous indignation stance. It was obnoxious before and no longer tenable now.​

Nails it.

https://www.si.com/college/2023/11/17/michigan-jim-harbaugh-sign-stealing-conclusion-quiet

Would’ve been better off paying $25 Ms for a recruiting class like Texas A&M.

 

[Vowelguy]

“Sources told ESPN that university leadership this week has shifted its tone from the stern rebuke of the league's sanctions to a growing acceptance that the football program might be dealing with significant NCAA infractions that could include a failure to properly monitor the program on Harbaugh's part.”

 

[huskymedic]

 

[shizzle787]

Good for them.

 

[CL82]

Not unexpected but I don't know how to feel about this. A poor NBC deal would probably prompt Notre Dame to move to the big 10, which, arguably, might prompt the ACC to look for another member, but the last round of expansion has convinced me that the ACC really has no interest in us. They should, by every reasonable metric, but they don't.

 

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And the response begins.

 

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[Drew]

“A sitting Big Ten AD vocalized publicly what’s been privately whispered for months: Within five years — and most say much sooner — the Power Five conference schools will operate from under a new governance structure that features an athlete revenue-sharing model, a shift often described by many within the industry as “The Great Split.”

“I do believe five years from now that we will be at a point where we are sharing revenue with student-athletes,” Evans told leaders of the Knight Commission, a group of mostly former and current college athletic administrators promoting educational reforms in college sports.

“To think we are not going to be sharing some of those revenues… we are going to be there. It would not surprise me to see some sort of different type of governance structure in place that separates the A5 out from the current structure.””

 

[Drew]

“A sitting Big Ten AD vocalized publicly what’s been privately whispered for months: Within five years — and most say much sooner — the Power Five conference schools will operate from under a new governance structure that features an athlete revenue-sharing model, a shift often described by many within the industry as “The Great Split.”

“I do believe five years from now that we will be at a point where we are sharing revenue with student-athletes,” Evans told leaders of the Knight Commission, a group of mostly former and current college athletic administrators promoting educational reforms in college sports.

“To think we are not going to be sharing some of those revenues… we are going to be there. It would not surprise me to see some sort of different type of governance structure in place that separates the A5 out from the current structure.””

“A dividing line is forming between the schools and conferences that can and cannot afford to contribute to payments if the House case is settled or lost.

“If we are going to pay the freight for House,” Evans said, referencing the power leagues, “then why are we sharing the revenue to that extent?”

Evans is “hopeful” that whatever new model is created preserves competition among all Division I schools competing together in the NCAA men’s and women’s basketball tournaments — two of the most successful NCAA-operated events.

But he suggests that basketball could eventually go the way of football, whose postseason is controlled by the independent CFP.

“I do believe there is going to be a change,” Evan said. “When I say that, I don’t say that in a fashion that if the Power Five moved away for some reason, that you can’t have competition amongst everyone. The reason I say that is because if you’re going to be the ones paying the freight for (House), why should we not control the revenue? You take a look at the CFP model … If all the sudden basketball goes the same situation, it totally changes what we look like.””

 

[CL82]

“A dividing line is forming between the schools and conferences that can and cannot afford to contribute to payments if the House case is settled or lost.

“If we are going to pay the freight for House,” Evans said, referencing the power leagues, “then why are we sharing the revenue to that extent?”

Evans is “hopeful” that whatever new model is created preserves competition among all Division I schools competing together in the NCAA men’s and women’s basketball tournaments — two of the most successful NCAA-operated events.

But he suggests that basketball could eventually go the way of football, whose postseason is controlled by the independent CFP.

“I do believe there is going to be a change,” Evan said. “When I say that, I don’t say that in a fashion that if the Power Five moved away for some reason, that you can’t have competition amongst everyone. The reason I say that is because if you’re going to be the ones paying the freight for (House), why should we not control the revenue? You take a look at the CFP model … If all the sudden basketball goes the same situation, it totally changes what we look like.””

Is this our last chance to get on the "have" side of the dividing line?

Five months from now would be just after March Madness. I have to think it would be difficult to leave us out if we are still the current reigning champions.

 

[ZooCougar]

Is this our last chance to get on the "have" side of the dividing line?

Five months from now would be just after March Madness. I have to think it would be difficult to leave us out if we are still the current reigning champions.

Why? That’s a great reason to do that. Where is the revenue that we are supposed to be sharing coming from?

 

[CL82]

Why? That’s a great reason to do that. Where is the revenue that we are supposed to be sharing coming from?

The revenue would come from the dismantling of the NCAA tournament which earns about $1 billion a year. Why extend us an invitation? Because excluding what would be in my hypothetical the reigning back to back national champions would be bad PR. Particularly, if we publicly state that we're prepared to be a part of the proposed student revenue sharing alleged basis for the split.

 

[Irvine]

I'm thinking the Big East would be part of any breakaway if it included basketball. Villanova and UConn have won 30% of the National Championships in the past 25 years.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

I'm thinking the Big East would be part of any breakaway if it included basketball. Villanova and UConn have won 30% of the National Championships in the past 25 years.

Yormark may have been onto something with the idea of separating basketball and football contracts. The second that’s viable UConn is in a power conference (or Big East is tripled in value)

 

[shizzle787]

Honestly, I think it will be the P4 and Big East in the new top tier. Our basketball is paid similar to basketball from P4 conferences.

 

[CTBballfan243]

I'm thinking the Big East would be part of any breakaway if it included basketball. Villanova and UConn have won 30% of the National Championships in the past 25 years.

I'll be shocked if the small religious institutions of the Big East will be able to compete and hang with the big boys if a split occurs.

 

[ZooCougar]

The revenue would come from the dismantling of the NCAA tournament which earns about $1 billion a year. Why extend us an invitation? Because excluding what would be in my hypothetical the reigning back to back national champions would be bad PR. Particularly, if we publicly state that we're prepared to be a part of the proposed student revenue sharing alleged basis for the split.

Wishful thinking hasn't worked for us yet.

 

[CL82]

Wishful thinking hasn't worked for us yet.

Lol, so predictable...

 

[Ha Who]

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2021/demo/megalopolis.pdf

 

[Vowelguy]

I'll be shocked if the small religious institutions of the Big East will be able to compete and hang with the big boys if a split occurs.

1) BB isn't like FB. At least not yet. The top 20 in FB is all P5/P4. Not true for BB.
2) Even the big boys need a Vanderbilt to kick around.

 

[KryHavok]

Why extend us an invitation? Because excluding what would be in my hypothetical the reigning back to back national champions would be bad PR.

I'd like to think that bad PR would have prevented a lot of recent crazy garbage from happening, but it happened anyway (teams saying that don't want to go to the Big12 then conveniently reversing course, the dismantling/implosion of the PAC, Michigan's sign stealing, etc). But I'm with ya CL82, want elite BB, then invite the most successful team of the last 25 years, otherwise it's more sanctimonious horsecrap.

 

[ZooCougar]

Lol, so predictable...

Literally your argument is hope. That’s not an argument.

 

[CL82]

I'd like to think that bad PR would have prevented a lot of recent crazy garbage from happening, but it happened anyway (teams saying that don't want to go to the Big12 then conveniently reversing course, the dismantling/implosion of the PAC, Michigan's sign stealing, etc). But I'm with ya CL82, want elite BB, then invite the most successful team of the last 25 years, otherwise it's more sanctimonious horsecrap.

Yeah, I think that pulling away from the NCAA and effectively stranding D2 and D3 programs without a way to fund their championships may make the departing schools more vulnerable to criticism. I agree though it's been pretty mercenary up to this point though.

 

[Drew]

I love how there’s a direct quote from a sitting AD talking about how the A5 will be the ones to split and people are still casually just like “yeah the Big East will be there too no worries”