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Banta55 said:
I hope not
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Me too. I am settled into this being about regional wants and desires and the current Big12 leadership/presidents wanted Western expansion and a competitive disruption to a rival. When in that prism Connecticut is ranked about 150th. As long as west coast expansion is the goal, teams like Oregon State and Washington State hold more value then we do. Once a conference looks East we become attractive again. Will anyone look east for expansion? Doubt it unless it's ACC.
 
businesslawyer said:
You say they are nothing more than businesses, except that no group of individuals (shareholders) gets to share the profits. That is more than a small difference. I’m not opposed to taxing athletic departments profits, but it’s not going to change much of anything, It just puts more pressure on big schools’ athletic department to increase profits to keep after tax expenditures high,
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Not taxi g athletic departments but something more like revenue sharing since the conferences pick winners and bankrupt others. I have no idea how there hasn't been any lawsuits. People sue for anything and everything. There has to be a legit class action lawsuit here.
 
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PLAYOFFS said:
If Oregon State/SDSU get added, then I'm sorry but Brett Yormack has 0 pull and its all Big12 Presidents making these moves.
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That's already been obvious as soon as Colorado got the invite and we didn't. He has no say, like at all. I don't understand why these presidents who love irrelevant west coast football programs hired a NYC guy who loves basketball. It'd be like if I was on the board of American Airlines and hired a CEO who thinks the future of travel is high speed rail. It just makes zero sense
 
businesslawyer said:
You say they are nothing more than businesses, except that no group of individuals (shareholders) gets to share the profits. That is more than a small difference. I’m not opposed to taxing athletic departments profits, but it’s not going to change much of anything, It just puts more pressure on big schools’ athletic department to increase profits to keep after tax expenditures high,
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And maintain their not for profit tax status? Nil can be the start. Who says the athletes don’t want to be treated like pros?

Colleges athletics is a charade that when the bubble bursts, and it will, their greed now will leave a path of destruction.
 
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businesslawyer said:
You say they are nothing more than businesses, except that no group of individuals (shareholders) gets to share the profits. That is more than a small difference. I’m not opposed to taxing athletic departments profits, but it’s not going to change much of anything, It just puts more pressure on big schools’ athletic. department to increase profits to keep after tax expenditures high,
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Or to find a way to plow a larger share of general overhead allocations into athletic departments.
 
CL82 said:
Why though? If they make those changes will FSU and Clemson not leave at the first opportunity they have to go to one of the P2? Even with those changes they will be making less money than P2 schools.

So, if nothing the ACC can reasonably do will appease them, why take steps that will alienate the remaining schools?
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I’m thinking a lot will change between now and the end of their GOR.
For the life of me I can’t understand what the Big XII is doing - seems like conference suicide. Cincinnati and UCF must have serious buyers remorse.

Even with the loss of Clemson and Florida St, the ACC would be better than the XII branding wise.
If rules change regarding basketball payouts, the ACC could reap a huge profit from that. And if they merged with the BE plus grabbed a few other choice properties they would have enough leverage from a basketball position to opt to leave the NCAA.
 
djct1999 said:
And maintain their not for profit tax status? Nil can be the start. Who says the athletes don’t want to be treated like pros?

Colleges athletics is a charade that when the bubble bursts, and it will, their greed now will leave a path of destruction.
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There can be taxable components of non-taxed entities.
 
NH Husky said:
I’m thinking a lot will change between now and the end of their GOR.
For the life of me I can’t understand what the Big XII is doing - seems like conference suicide. Cincinnati and UCF must have serious buyers remorse.

Even with the loss of Clemson and Florida St, the ACC would be better than the XII branding wise.
If rules change regarding basketball payouts, the ACC could reap a huge profit from that. And if they merged with the BE plus grabbed a few other choice properties they would have enough leverage from a basketball position to opt to leave the NCAA.
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Big 12 is a mish mash of schools that landed a solid contract. ACC definitely has a better brand but they still need to protect their turf. Makes no sense for them to allow Big 12 to acquire UConn. In my opinion, the only reason they haven’t grabbed UConn is because Uconn has always been available.
 
HuskyHawk said:
More on the Rutgers move. Some of these additions are going to look terrible pretty soon.

theathletic.com

The worst realignment move ever is worse than you thought

Rutgers’ time in the Big Ten, college football's most lucrative conference, has been a competitive and financial nightmare.
theathletic.com theathletic.com
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To be fair to SUNJ - they have become one of the better B1G hoop programs the last few years under Pike.

SUNJ is an easy target to dump on, but I don't see Maryland or Nebraska doing much of anything...
 
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NH Husky said:
I’m thinking a lot will change between now and the end of their GOR.
For the life of me I can’t understand what the Big XII is doing - seems like conference suicide. Cincinnati and UCF must have serious buyers remorse.

Even with the loss of Clemson and Florida St, the ACC would be better than the XII branding wise.
If rules change regarding basketball payouts, the ACC could reap a huge profit from that. And if they merged with the BE plus grabbed a few other choice properties they would have enough leverage from a basketball position to opt to leave the NCAA.
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What do you feel the big 12 it's done that hurts their brand? The consensus is just the opposite.
 
NH Husky said:
I’m thinking a lot will change between now and the end of their GOR.
For the life of me I can’t understand what the Big XII is doing - seems like conference suicide. Cincinnati and UCF must have serious buyers remorse.

Even with the loss of Clemson and Florida St, the ACC would be better than the XII branding wise.
If rules change regarding basketball payouts, the ACC could reap a huge profit from that. And if they merged with the BE plus grabbed a few other choice properties they would have enough leverage from a basketball position to opt to leave the NCAA.
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There will be a serious game of chicken when the ACC contract runs out. FSU and Clemson will bolt. The rest of the teams will be posturing for an SEC or Big 10 invite, while also trying to poach some Big 12 brands like KU and WVU while at the same time exploring ditching the ACC to join the Big 12.

The media will get played like a fiddle just like we saw with the Pac 12 teams at the last moment sticking together only for it to fall apart in the 11th hour. I think it comes down to what happens to UNC and UVA. If they stick around, I think the ACC would have a better chance at poaching the Big 12. If they leave, I think you see a mad dash from Louisville, Pitt, NC State, etc to try to get into the Big 12.
 
I’m enjoying the discourse with regards to other conferences, but for UConn, the world is our oyster. We have no GOR to worry about and I believe our football contract with CBS Sports Network expires at the end of this season. There’s no reason to hate on other universities. Let’s be proactive and negotiate something great for our own university. We have a great brand which is worth lots of money. Let’s capitalize on the opportunity.
 
huskymedic said:
Worth a read…

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Interesting line by the former "BE fearless leader" but easy to figure out especially with zero exit fees ( from AP). While Uconn and SD St have to pay $30 mil + to get out of much worst TV deals.

“Once USC and UCLA went to the Big Ten (last year), I knew this was all going to happen,” former Big East Commissioner Mike Tranghese said. “We now have total chaos.” The TV networks have less money to go around, and have come to realize that paying for Washington State and Oregon State doesn’t make sense when all they really want is Washington and Oregon."

"The move would push the Big Ten to 18 schools. Starting in 2024, that will include a western wing of USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. None of those schools is required to pay an exit fee because of the Pac-12's expiring television deal."
 
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CL82 said:
What do you feel the big 12 it's done that hurts their brand? The consensus is just the opposite.
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Not so much as hurting it but they failed to help it. They had the chance to dominate hoops. And football - yeah Utah is real good now but how long will they be able to sustain that without access to Cal talent? Neon at CO will flop or bolt.
I don’t know if goku is real or not but if he reflects anything of KU’s fan base they are not happy.
Also, how long until technology and stretched to thin start putting pressure ESPN to downsize or go bankrupt. It would start with dropping nonprofitable entities.
 
NH Husky said:
Not so much as hurting it but they failed to help it. They had the chance to dominate hoops. And football - yeah Utah is real good now but how long will they be able to sustain that without access to Cal talent? Neon at CO will flop or bolt.
I don’t know if goku is real or not but if he reflects anything of KU’s fan base they are not happy.
Also, how long until technology and stretched to thin start putting pressure ESPN to downsize or go bankrupt. It would start with dropping nonprofitable entities.
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Right now the perception is P5 > G5. Like it or not, regardless of athletic budget or the success of our sports teams, we are "G5" and therefore perceived as inferior. The four corners school made more geographic sense, if not strategic sense. They were a familiar choice by people who don't understand our program, our fan base, our history and our potential. I understand the decision, even if I don't agree with it.

I'm not sure that they "hurt their brand" so much as missed on an opportunity to maximize it.
 
djct1999 said:
And maintain their not for profit tax status? Nil can be the start. Who says the athletes don’t want to be treated like pros?

Colleges athletics is a charade that when the bubble bursts, and it will, their greed now will leave a path of destruction.
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Huh? Treating athletes like pros has zip to do with the non-profit status of the school. My temple pays the rabbi and office staff. That doesn't affect its status as a non-profit corporation. The criteria relate to whether shareholders own the profits and the public good purpose of the entity. Not who the entity pays or how much they pay them.
 
huskymedic said:
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We have yet to see the knock-on consequences of all of this consolidation in college sports, but I fear it will be very damaging. The big games will always draw eyeballs, but very easy to see a world in which two super conferences lead to some of these programs that have historically had some success, becoming perennially middling clubs or doormats. Hard to keep your fanbase engaged and could lead to a lot more apathy both from the teams that got left by the wayside and the teams that are at the bottom of 20-school conferences.
 
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