Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[superjohn]

I've never been to Ames but what exactly does it have going for it that Storrs doesn't? As 20 year olds we didn't need, and couldn't afford, much more than kegs, eggs, burgers, and bonfires. Storrs isn't one of those towns turning into what every other urban area has become, stacked with the same national chains as every other city. To me that is more college town than anything else. From a student perspective. Minus the football stadium of course. Plus, you are close to lakes, the ocean, and casinos for the kids who can afford to drop some cash.

It seems today more and more people are taking up healthier lifestyles and activities like hiking, biking, kayaking, etc. Storrs has it all!

Well for one, it's a college town whereas Mansfield/Storrs is just a town with a college in it. A town that doesn't particularly want a University in it.

As for Ames there's a strip of college bars and bars all over the place, restaurants all over, cafes, live music, breweries. Bars, restaurants, and stores that have been there forever. They have a bunch of hotels. They have a large football stadium on campus. You hit on why UConn/Storrs isn't a college town. It's never been a college town and they tried to create one somewhat recently by building brand new cookie cutter buildings to house overpriced chains. That didn't make it a college town unfortunately.

It's bizarre anyone would even attempt to argue Storrs is a better college town than Ames but here upstater is. Ames and Iowa City blow Storrs out of the water.

 

[Waquoit]

It's bizarre anyone would even attempt to argue Storrs is a better college town than Ames but here upstater is. Ames and Iowa City blow Storrs out of the water.

Baloney. Storrs isn't in Gilead.

 

[ctchamps]

That's one possible interpretation, the other is that fox would not agree to the pro rata addition of Connecticut because they'd rather pay for million dollars for content they are certain to have access to than $31 million for content that they might not even get to broadcast. He may simply "prefer Connecticut in the big east" because it is dramatically less expensive and he knows he would have his pick of our games broadcast.

It doesn't matter which of those interpretations are correct because either way they would result in it Fox not offering to pay Connecticut a full pro rata share. That's always been a potential issue. The counter argument is that if fox pays a premium for Connecticut to join the big 12 it can make up that money by paying less for the big east on their next deal. A third of $31 million is $10.33M. Say the next big east deal, with Connecticut in the conference, is worth $8 million per school, but without Connecticut is only worth $7 million per school. Effectively, then it is a breakeven proposition for fox whether Connecticut is in the big 12 or in the big east, at least from inexpensive perspective. If the difference is 8 million with Connecticut and 6 million without Connecticut, then Fox would actually save money by supporting Connecticut to the big 12.

This. And Yormack and ESPN have convinced FOX to support the B12 by agreeing to give them some content to make it worthwhile for FOX to accept the move.

 

[CL82]

Well for one, it's a college town whereas Mansfield/Storrs is just a town with a college in it. A town that doesn't particularly want a University in it.

As for Ames there's a strip of college bars and bars all over the place, restaurants all over, cafes, live music, breweries. Bars, restaurants, and stores that have been there forever. They have a bunch of hotels. They have a large football stadium on campus. You hit on why UConn/Storrs isn't a college town. It's never been a college town and they tried to create one somewhat recently by building brand new cookie cutter buildings to house overpriced chains. That didn't make it a college town unfortunately.

It's bizarre anyone would even attempt to argue Storrs is a better college town than Ames but here upstater is. Ames and Iowa City blow Storrs out of the water.

Is this a low key on campus football stadium argument?

 

[Stinger92860]

The ex Fox exec weighing in on B12 realignment said Fox should not pay up for UConn since they already own them.

When I asked if that meant they were more valuable in the BE he seemed to say yes. So according to him he’d rather see UConn play BE teams because that would have more value for FOX than them playing B12 teams. BUT it could also mean that the BE would have less sheen without the men and women.

It likely means both

…and 2 Kansas vs UConn MBB games a year, minimum, is a national broadcast. Plus they can also pick up a handful of a million in advertising with WBB. Not a lot bit maybe 1-2 Million. Are there any good WBB teams in the B12 that can draw a few eyeballs? Add it all up and we are worthy of a valuation somewhere between 10 Million and 30 Million. Give us a proposal.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

That's my point. ESPN doesn't directly own the GOR. Their contract with the ACC is the content it provides them.

If FSU leaves ESPN will sue the ACC and the ACC will sue FSU. The ACC will retain the rights to FSU's home games for the duration of the GOR and ESPN will retain the rights to distribute those games. The conference FSU leaves the ACC to go to will be paying FSU whatever they agree upon but they will not receive any revenues FSU generates that are obligated to the ACC.

Not exactly.

If FSU leaves, it cannot take its media rights without some financial settlement with the ACC. If the ACC settles with FSU, they cannot then sue FSU after ESPN seeks consideration for FSU leaving.

The ACC won't settle with any departing schools quickly unless the settlement dollars are large enough that they would be confident they won't lose money over the remaining term of the GOR.

If the ACC were to lose one of their marquee football schools (Clemson, FSU), ESPN would immediately move to cut their payments to the ACC (and I'll wager heavily that there is language in the contract allowing for this).

 

[HuskyHawk]

The ex Fox exec weighing in on B12 realignment said Fox should not pay up for UConn since they already own them.

When I asked if that meant they were more valuable in the BE he seemed to say yes. So according to him he’d rather see UConn play BE teams because that would have more value for FOX than them playing B12 teams. BUT it could also mean that the BE would have less sheen without the men and women.

The crux of his argument from a Fox perspective seems to be that ESPN gets 2/3 of the games and Fox 1/3. So Fox would lose a lot of UConn basketball content if they move. Of course Fox would gain football content, but his comment on the other additions suggested that more mediocre football inventory wasn't a boost.

 

[Stinger92860]

Not exactly.

If FSU leaves, it cannot take its media rights without some financial settlement with the ACC. If the ACC settles with FSU, they cannot then sue FSU after ESPN seeks consideration for FSU leaving.

The ACC won't settle with any departing schools quickly unless the settlement dollars are large enough that they would be confident they won't lose money over the remaining term of the GOR.

If the ACC were to lose one of their marquee football schools (Clemson, FSU), ESPN would immediately move to cut their payments to the ACC (and I'll wager heavily that there is language in the contract allowing for this).

Why can’t the ACC continue to show FSU games through ACCN or their media partner over the next 13 years? W t f would any conference say yes to that?

 

[JohnFSilver]

Should get some good donations from that pr move.

The entire ACC is trying to move because they fear Oregon and Washington will go Big 10.

Getting ridiculus. If I am UConn, I want to get in right now as no. 14. Sheesh .

 

[JohnFSilver]

Why can’t the ACC continue to show FSU games through ACCN or their media partner over the next 13 years? W t f would any conference say yes to that?

They can violate contract. Then, you pay damages.

 

[Samoo]

Never been. Ask @superjohn

A proper College Town has a downtown with restaurants, bars, breweries, live music venues and independent shops. Should have a movie theater. Ideally also grocery stores and a Target/Walmart.

Edit: downtown Ames
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Looks like Corvallis.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

And you know that boosters sharing their opinion with school administrators don't? Thank goodness for your superior knowledge.

I doubt it matters. But it can't help, and it can only hurt.

Pump the brakes and thanks for the superior knowledge comment... there is so much crap being posted for and against x and y schools that if anyone that's important in directly making a decision or influencing a decision is swayed by the internet cesspool then God bless.

 

[Stinger92860]

The crux of his argument from a Fox perspective seems to be that ESPN gets 2/3 of the games and Fox 1/3. So Fox would lose a lot of UConn basketball content if they move. Of course Fox would gain football content, but his comment on the other additions suggested that more mediocre football inventory wasn't a boost.

How is adding teams for more PT zone games with crappy football programs attractive? Nobody is watching now, this is why the PAC is in it’s current position. Why invest in a losing propostion. It’s not only the time zone. Give UConn 20M to start and when we win the B12 Football championship game under Mora we get a 1.5X share. I hope we win our season opener.

 

[Kolumbo]

Well for one, it's a college town whereas Mansfield/Storrs is just a town with a college in it. A town that doesn't particularly want a University in it.

As for Ames there's a strip of college bars and bars all over the place, restaurants all over, cafes, live music, breweries. Bars, restaurants, and stores that have been there forever. They have a bunch of hotels. They have a large football stadium on campus. You hit on why UConn/Storrs isn't a college town. It's never been a college town and they tried to create one somewhat recently by building brand new cookie cutter buildings to house overpriced chains. That didn't make it a college town unfortunately.

It's bizarre anyone would even attempt to argue Storrs is a better college town than Ames but here upstater is. Ames and Iowa City blow Storrs out of the water.

You can argue that Burlington, VT is a great college town and I'd agree, because Burlington is a great town. I don't think having a bunch of bars necessarily makes a town great. But I'm old. As a poor college student, I was busy going to campus and off-campus parties drinking cheap beer. Not too mention being able to see lots of entertainment on campus including the likes of Stevie Ray, Joan Jett, 10,000 Maniacs, etc.

I'll concede Storrs isn't a great town outside of the UConn campus, but the campus itself is up there with anyone.

I've been to Athens, GA which some would say is a great college town. I wasn't that impressed.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The ex Fox exec weighing in on B12 realignment said Fox should not pay up for UConn since they already own them.

When I asked if that meant they were more valuable in the BE he seemed to say yes. So according to him he’d rather see UConn play BE teams because that would have more value for FOX than them playing B12 teams. BUT it could also mean that the BE would have less sheen without the men and women.

I find it extremely hard to believe UConn bb (men's and women's) is more valuable playing small private catholic schools in the BE vs playing larger state/flagship schools if in the Big12. Not buying it. Then add in any fb boost and his viewpoint seems plain wrong.

 

[The Yakk]

I find it extremely hard to believe UConn bb (men's and women's) is more valuable playing small private catholic schools in the BE vs playing larger state/flagship schools if in the Big12. Not buying it. Then add in any fb boost and his viewpoint seems plain wrong.

Maybe there's a good reason the guy is an "ex" Fox exec.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Why can’t the ACC continue to show FSU games through ACCN or their media partner over the next 13 years? W t f would any conference say yes to that?

The ACC will own the rights until some settlement is reached. My comment was in response to a post claiming ESPN would sue the ACC and the ACC would then sue FSU. That wouldn't happen. If no settlement has been reached, ESPN will still be televising FSU games. If a settlement has been reached, ESPN could go after the ACC but FSU would be clear (due to the settlement). This is why it will neither be cheap nor easy for a school to get out if the GOR.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

I find it extremely hard to believe UConn bb (men's and women's) is more valuable playing small private catholic schools in the BE vs playing larger state/flagship schools if in the Big12. Not buying it. Then add in any fb boost and his viewpoint seems plain wrong.

I think his point is Fox gets UConn basketball for $5 million annually. It wouldn't make sense to start paying $31 million just to add football.

Fox's perspective (as it pertains specifically to the question) in his interpretation (which may be excluding some pertinent items) is there is no reason to increase what they are paying for UConn just to add football.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I think his point is Fox gets UConn basketball for $5 million annually. It wouldn't make sense to start paying $31 million just to add football.

Fox's perspective (as it pertains specifically to the question) in his interpretation (which may be excluding some pertinent items) is there is no reason to increase what they are paying for UConn just to add football.

I'd put the chances at this happening as slim to none, but if the Florida state rumors have any legs maybe after two decades of rejection an Acc invite could potentially be down the line. Then they'd not only lose UConn but hurt the BE product overall.

 

[JohnFSilver]

I don’t get why people in CT can’t just admit that CT is nice. No. Storrs is not like Ames. But, if you have spent any time up there last 6 years it is vastly improved. It is a college town now with downtown storrs. It has apartments, grocery, dining, things like that make it a lot nicer.

The old Mansfield guard is dying. The next step is moving EO Smith and taking that massively valuable piece of land for commercial development.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I think his point is Fox gets UConn basketball for $5 million annually. It wouldn't make sense to start paying $31 million just to add football.

Fox's perspective (as it pertains specifically to the question) in his interpretation (which may be excluding some pertinent items) is there is no reason to increase what they are paying for UConn just to add football.

I see what you're saying, but Fox is only on the hook for $11m per added team, not $31m. I'm thinking that UConn in the Big12 would bring more than the difference of what Fox is paying UConn in the Big East vs the $11m if brought into the Big12 for bb, fb, etc. I think Fox has already said they approve of UConn to the Big12.

 

[JohnFSilver]

To business lawyer. Can’t you just break a contract and pay damages?

GOR isn’t some blood oath.

 

[OkaForPrez]

To business lawyer. Can’t you just break a contract and pay damages?

GOR isn’t some blood oath.

@businesslawyer

 

[ctchamps]

Not exactly.

If FSU leaves, it cannot take its media rights without some financial settlement with the ACC. If the ACC settles with FSU, they cannot then sue FSU after ESPN seeks consideration for FSU leaving.

The ACC won't settle with any departing schools quickly unless the settlement dollars are large enough that they would be confident they won't lose money over the remaining term of the GOR.

If the ACC were to lose one of their marquee football schools (Clemson, FSU), ESPN would immediately move to cut their payments to the ACC (and I'll wager heavily that there is language in the contract allowing for this).

I'm just advocating that the $ amount would be so large nobody is going to offer cash or exclusively offer cash. The entity(its) would be forced to leave content behind. Hence the home games or some of the home game revenue would remain with the ACC. I can't see ESPN just accepting a dollar for dollar settlement. They would sue for damages if the school left to a conference with a different network.

The argument I have with myself is that the conference where FSU heads could sabotage this arrangement by setting up lousy teams to play FSU and that threat would force ESPN to take a cash settlement.

And then I argue with myself and think ESPN could say go ahead and do that and sabotage FSU which you prized.

Love these 3 dimensional chess matches.

 

[NEforceUConn]

Well for one, it's a college town whereas Mansfield/Storrs is just a town with a college in it. A town that doesn't particularly want a University in it.

As for Ames there's a strip of college bars and bars all over the place, restaurants all over, cafes, live music, breweries. Bars, restaurants, and stores that have been there forever. They have a bunch of hotels. They have a large football stadium on campus. You hit on why UConn/Storrs isn't a college town. It's never been a college town and they tried to create one somewhat recently by building brand new cookie cutter buildings to house overpriced chains. That didn't make it a college town unfortunately.

It's bizarre anyone would even attempt to argue Storrs is a better college town than Ames but here upstater is. Ames and Iowa City blow Storrs out of the water.

Plus I believe the ISU football mantra at games is:

Win, Lose, we Booze.