Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[OkaForPrez]

The Big East threw UConn a lifeline, and your hoops program has absolutely thrived in what is becoming an awesome basketball conference with some of the best coaches in the country. UConn should stay where it is. The grass is not always greener. …

My position on this hasn’t changed. If the Big East could be assured on staying in its current form there’s no other conference I’d want our basketball teams in.

Current form defined as (in order of priority):
Key teams: Nova, GTown, St John’s
MSG
Double round robin schedule
Dedicated TV contract with block coverage

All of the above make the Big East the amazing conference that it is.

The problem is the above is fragile.
The TV contract could change decidedly in the next go around ruining the wonderful 2-3 game block scheduling weve been enjoying on fox.

We are one 2-4 team raid away from possibly disrupting the other 3.

Now my friend Friar J says it’s crazy to think that anyone from the big East would want to get in bed with the big 12, but I’m not sure.

First let’s talk motive.
1- if you’re not growing, you’re dying.
2- there is a collision coming between the ACC and the big 12.
3- the ACC is inevitably going to lose its major football players, some of the remaining schools will have a basketball mindset (Duke, Cuse, Louisville, for starters).
4- the ACC’s backfill plans when that happens WILL be big east schools.

There is undeniably a motivation for the big 12 to leverage its basketball momentum, undercut the ACC’s contingency plan and create a FOMO among ACC basketball schools when the music stops.

UConn, Nova, GTown and St John’s would bring:
NYC, Philly, DC. It would bring the iconic big east brands. It would bring MSG. It would create an east coast nucleus for Olympics. It would destroy a competitor for basketball contracts and it would create the magnetic advantage of which way teams flow between the ACC and Big 12 when it all goes down.

So why would the Big East schools say yes?

1-$
2-it’s the gun or the money. In the scenario where you say no and they go out and get someone else, you’re staring down the barrel.

Repeating my original premise: I don’t want to leave the big East in its current form.

But I don’t believe that the big east is immortal.

 

[CL82]

He’s earned a lot of money would be about the best you could say. He also did a good job of changing the trajectory of a school and firing up a fan base that now donate money and fill an arena for games. I’m glad he’s gone but I recognize what he’s good at. So does Georgetown I guess.

True. It'll be interesting to see what he does at Georgetown we're expectations of what constitutes success are higher.

 

[FriarJ]

My position on this hasn’t changed. If the Big East could be assured on staying in its current form there’s no other conference I’d want our basketball teams in.

Current form defined as (in order of priority):
Key teams: Nova, GTown, St John’s
MSG
Double round robin schedule
Dedicated TV contract with block coverage

All of the above make the Big East the amazing conference that it is.

The problem is the above is fragile.
The TV contract could change decidedly in the next go around ruining the wonderful 2-3 game block scheduling weve been enjoying on fox.

We are one 2-4 team raid away from possibly disrupting the other 3.

Now my friend Friar J says it’s crazy to think that anyone from the big East would want to get in bed with the big 12, but I’m not sure.

First let’s talk motive.
1- if you’re not growing, you’re dying.
2- there is a collision coming between the ACC and the big 12.
3- the ACC is inevitably going to lose its major football players, some of the remaining schools will have a basketball mindset (Duke, Cuse, Louisville, for starters).
4- the ACC’s backfill plans when that happens WILL be big east schools.

There is undeniably a motivation for the big 12 to leverage its basketball momentum, undercut the ACC’s contingency plan and create a FOMO among ACC basketball schools when the music stops.

UConn, Nova, GTown and St John’s would bring:
NYC, Philly, DC. It would bring the iconic big east brands. It would bring MSG. It would create an east coast nucleus for Olympics. It would destroy a competitor for basketball contracts and it would create the magnetic advantage of which way teams flow between the ACC and Big 12 when it all goes down.

So why would the Big East schools say yes?

1-$
2-it’s the gun or the money. In the scenario where you say no and they go out and get someone else, you’re staring down the barrel.

Repeating my original premise: I don’t want to leave the big East in its current form.

But I don’t believe that the big east is immortal.

These select BE schools are worth infinitely x more money as part of a southwest/west football conference than by staying together? Do have that right? What are you basing this on? Your own success in achieving this money? They have thrived with $5 mil a year and all the NCAA credits. You don’t think they can get that same money on a new deal?

The fact that you think that St. John’s playing in that basketball conference automatically means that all these New Yorkers will be excited about watching a Texas Tech vs. UCF football game on a fall Saturday is ridiculous. The only school in the BE that’s fan base wants out, is yours.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

Football

cal has a pile of money unlike uconn

 

[FriarJ]

True. It'll be interesting to see what he does at Georgetown we're expectations of what constitutes success are higher.

I’m not sure it’s that high anymore. Only DePaul has a more apathetic fan base than the Hoyas. I mean Georgetown gave each graduate this spring 4 season tickets for free to this year if they wanted them. While PC students are apocalyptic on twitter that their name wasn’t drawn in the lottery for being able to pay the school for their season tickets. Night and day difference between these can bases in how much they care. Georgetowns draw was always because of its National presence and the racial overtones that followed that program. That’s gone now. Now they are just a Catholic school full of rich white kids who don’t give two craps about basketball.

 

[champs99and04]

Is there any chance the ACC could work around the GOR by agreeing to mutually split with a member? I don't even know if such a thing would be possible, but on paper a school like Louisville would seem to fit better in the Big 12, and I'm not sure the ACC would miss them all that much. Moving forward, I wouldn't even be surprised to see team for team swaps in non-p2 leagues where the money is comparable but the travel is not.

Such a maneuver would in theory open up at least two spots for UConn.

 

[ZooCougar]

I'm hearing we need to find more media money for 17 & 18. This may take a few months.

It doesn’t take inside info to see this.

 

[OkaForPrez]

These select BE schools are worth infinitely x more money as part of a southwest/west football conference than by staying together?

not infinitely, just more, assuming Yormark does the math well and uses the football strength to create just enough incentive

Do have that right? What are you basing this on? Your own success in achieving this money? They have thrived with $5 mil a year and all the NCAA credits. You don’t think they can get that same money on a new deal?

Nothing to respond to here, just more of you being a .

The fact that you think that St. John’s playing in that basketball conference automatically means that all these New Yorkers will be excited about watching a Texas Tech vs. UCF football game on a fall Saturday is ridiculous.

I didn’t say that. I’m talking strictly about the basketball brands in the big 12 benefiting from playing games in NYC. I’m assuming parody in the interest of New Yorkers to the current conference.

The only school in the BE that’s fan base wants out, is yours.

If Yormark offers a vision with the existing basketball conference + the best brands in the acc and big east + Gonzaga to create a basketball super conference, schools may get jumpy.

 

[Khal Drogo]

cal has a pile of money unlike uconn

UConn has acces to a lot of money via Conn tax payer.

 

[NH Husky]

Do we really need this PC crap dumped in this thread?

 

[Husky92]

Do we really need this PC crap dumped in this thread?

No. Please create a new thread about NewBigEast schools and their potential to leave unless it is related to a key tweat!

 

[FriarJ]

not infinitely, just more, assuming Yormark does the math well and uses the football strength to create just enough incentive


Nothing to respond to here, just more of you being a .


I didn’t say that. I’m talking strictly about the basketball brands in the big 12 benefiting from playing games in NYC. I’m assuming parody in the interest of New Yorkers to the current conference.


If Yormark offers a vision with the existing basketball conference + the best brands in the acc and big east + Gonzaga to create a basketball super conference, schools may get jumpy.

Basketball doesn’t matter. Not sure how many times you need to be hit over your head with that reality before it sinks in. What you are saying is just a bunch of made up nonsense of what you desire.

UConn is quite literally one of the top 3-5 basketball properties in the country, you also have FB and a NY presence. You are appear to be willing to let the other B12 teams take a dump on your chest to let you join by taking a very reduced pay out (heck some of you are saying you would take a BB only invite just for the hope that someday they can crap on you), yet you are still here in the exact same place.

Now you are trying to tell me that some of the BE’s hoops schools may move to the B12 because the B12 wants to dominate the world in all sports. Do you see how crazy what you are predicting is based upon the reality of the situation we have been hit in the face with dozens of times.

Basketball doesn’t matter despite what some commissioner says. It’s all about actions and not a single action outside of two in all of conference realignment. The first action was the c7 splitting to save basketball. And UConn rejoining. Those were both done to save basketball. UConn has an albatross. The thought that the B12 Commissioner is just going to “take” what he wants is just damn stupid. He won’t be able to whip up enough money from the other conference schools to do it. Heck, he couldn’t even do it for you guys. Good grief wake up.

 

[LBird33]

Basketball doesn’t matter. Not sure how many times you need to be hit over your head with that reality before it sinks in. What you are saying is just a bunch of made up nonsense of what you desire.

UConn is quite literally one of the top 3-5 basketball properties in the country, you also have FB and a NY presence. You are appear to be willing to let the other B12 teams take a dump on your chest to let you join by taking a very reduced pay out (heck some of you are saying you would take a BB only invite just for the hope that someday they can crap on you), yet you are still here in the exact same place.

Now you are trying to tell me that some of the BE’s hoops schools may move to the B12 because the B12 wants to dominate the world in all sports. Do you see how crazy what you are predicting is based upon the reality of the situation we have been hit in the face with dozens of times.

Basketball doesn’t matter despite what some commissioner says. It’s all about actions and not a single action outside of two in all of conference realignment. The first action was the c7 splitting to save basketball. And UConn rejoining. Those were both done to save basketball. UConn has an albatross. The thought that the B12 Commissioner is just going to “take” what he wants is just damn stupid. He won’t be able to whip up enough money from the other conference schools to do it. Heck, he couldn’t even do it for you guys. Good grief wake up.

Please go away Thank you

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

This allows only current members to choose the expansion schools. They just added 4 western teams who will have 25% of the votes. I can’t see them adding any more western schools since the existing schools would be handing over too much power. If ACC gor holds up and the acc doesn’t implode by December, UConn has a pretty good shot at one of the big 12’s 17 or 18 spots

Having FB coming out of the gates strong this season record-wise and attendance-wise (we HAVE to pack the Rent!!!) would obviously be a good thing and maybe just once with regards to conference alignment we'll have a well-timed on-field/on-court line of success.

 

[OkaForPrez]

Basketball doesn’t matter despite what some commissioner says.

Okay let’s discount the words of one of the 4 strategic leaders who matter at this point.

You have your head in the sand. And I get it, because you said it yourself, in that reality you’re screwed.

We can either pay attention to the countless articles about the big 12’s interest in gonzaga, a
Basketball only asset, or we ignore that basketball is entering the picture now that the football race is over.

But its all nonsense because Cooley pitino’d his way out of Providence.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Not exactly true. Massachusetts kicked in $72 million for "infrastructure improvements" and Gillette Stadium is exempt from property taxes, although the Krafts do pay a fee per ticket sold to the town but the value is less than if the stadium itself was taxed.

Bah, Rt 1 was a mess they updated it, including the turn lanes and pedestrian crossing. Patriots Place pays property taxes and brings in sales taxes. The state has done just fine with that deal and so have the Patriots.

They were never going to Hartford. They wanted to get to Southie. Can we all step back from the crazy idea that there aren’t several other cities more worthy of an NFL team than Hartford? It couldn’t keep an NHL team.

 

[Sole]

These select BE schools are worth infinitely x more money as part of a southwest/west football conference than by staying together? Do have that right? What are you basing this on? Your own success in achieving this money? They have thrived with $5 mil a year and all the NCAA credits. You don’t think they can get that same money on a new deal?

The fact that you think that St. John’s playing in that basketball conference automatically means that all these New Yorkers will be excited about watching a Texas Tech vs. UCF football game on a fall Saturday is ridiculous. The only school in the BE that’s fan base wants out, is yours.

There are a lot of Uconn fans that want to stay in the big east

 

[NH Husky]

Do we really need this PC crap dumped in this thread?

Lesson learned. Call out these PITA’s and they dig in like a Rhode Island tick.

 

[District-Husky]

I know we need the money and access to a P5 conference - but - duck the Big 12. I wouldn't want to play most of those schools in basketball. I'm living in the moment and happy we're still in the Big East where we are well positioned to win another NCAAT within the next 5 years. Really looking forward to this season and playing traditional rivals like Providence, St Johns, Nova, Seton Hall, and GTown and being able to actually see UConn play in those away venues. And also looking forward to the inevitable implosion of the ACC and BC getting screwed over when we block their attempted return to the Big East.

 

[greenday61892]

Basketball doesn’t matter. Not sure how many times you need to be hit over your head with that reality before it sinks in. What you are saying is just a bunch of made up nonsense of what you desire.

UConn is quite literally one of the top 3-5 basketball properties in the country, you also have FB and a NY presence. You are appear to be willing to let the other B12 teams take a dump on your chest to let you join by taking a very reduced pay out (heck some of you are saying you would take a BB only invite just for the hope that someday they can crap on you), yet you are still here in the exact same place.

Now you are trying to tell me that some of the BE’s hoops schools may move to the B12 because the B12 wants to dominate the world in all sports. Do you see how crazy what you are predicting is based upon the reality of the situation we have been hit in the face with dozens of times.

Basketball doesn’t matter despite what some commissioner says. It’s all about actions and not a single action outside of two in all of conference realignment. The first action was the c7 splitting to save basketball. And UConn rejoining. Those were both done to save basketball. UConn has an albatross. The thought that the B12 Commissioner is just going to “take” what he wants is just damn stupid. He won’t be able to whip up enough money from the other conference schools to do it. Heck, he couldn’t even do it for you guys. Good grief wake up.

You've far far far outstayed your welcome. Please kindly scram

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I doubt there’s any truth to the 7 schools having a real chance. If 17 and 18 are really on the table, it’s probably us and one other tbd school—— because Yormark really does want us. Otherwise, I don’t think they’d further expand right now.

If it’s true that XII wants to go to 18 very soon (before 2024), I think UConn and SD St. as the logical pair as it adds SoCal (ASU would be very happy) and NY/NE, both the Eastern and Pacific time zones, and basketball cred.

That of course means that the XII presidents will pick 2 of Colorado St, UNLV, Boise St, Oregon St and Washington St. because they are more aligned culturally, add football value, and new markets (I think Washington St is #5 in Seattle behind UW, UO, Stanford and USC).

 

[DarthGrumpy]

For the record I wouldn't want our soccer team playing in Tempe unless it was a night game or the game was in November.

A friend of mine's son plays soccer in Scottsdale. High schools in the PHX metro only practice and play at night unless it is the middle of their 'winter'. All of their fields are lighted.

 

[CL82]

I know we need the money and access to a P5 conference - but - duck the Big 12. I wouldn't want to play most of those schools in basketball. I'm living in the moment and happy we're still in the Big East where we are well positioned to win another NCAAT within the next 5 years. Really looking forward to this season and playing traditional rivals like Providence, St Johns, Nova, Seton Hall, and GTown and being able to actually see UConn play in those away venues. And also looking forward to the inevitable implosion of the ACC and BC getting screwed over when we block their attempted return to the Big East.

I know that'll be so great in, what 13 years from now. In the meantime, Connecticut taxpayers can pony up $650 million so that we have the privilege of playing teams we remember from the old Big East. Since it's not my money, I'm all good if that's the call.

In any event when the ACC blows up, remember the bias towards picking up P5 programs rather than G5 programs. We may be 650 million in the hole and still on the outside looking in.

 

[GG]

I'm hearing we need to find more media money for 17 & 18. This may take a few months.

The worst part is having to wait, and then potentially not even being selected. And the additional months give schools like Memphis an opportunity to try to convince the big 12 that they are a better selection than UCONN. Based on what I have read from you, and what Greg Flugar has discussed on his show, Yormark has a real interest in UCONN. What I don’t know is whether the big 12 presidents feel the same. I would say that another East Coast school makes sense if you’re Cincinnati, West Virginia, or UCF. It must be scary how west coast conference has become in a short period of time.

 

[CL82]

The worst part is having to wait, and then potentially not even being selected.

Forget you heard about this as a possibility. You'll be happier.

 

[noeynox]

Forget you heard about this as a possibility. You'll be happier.

This is where I'm at. Nothing to see here.

 

[Bongo Fury]

Football

Where’s Connecticut?

 

[Hogoff]

Where’s Connecticut?

It’s a state in New England, but that’s not important right now.

 

[District-Husky]

I know that'll be so great in, what 13 years from now. In the meantime, Connecticut taxpayers can pony up $650 million so that we have the privilege of playing teams we remember from the old Big East. Since it's not my money, I'm all good if that's the call.

In any event when the ACC blows up, remember the bias towards picking up P5 programs rather than G5 programs. We may be 650 million in the hole and still on the outside looking in.

I hope I'm still alive in 13 years to see BC getting blocked and playing in the A10. I suppose we'll let Cuse back in the Big East but Pitt and Louisville can screw off and play in the A10 too.

I don't pay CT taxes but I'm willing to increase my alumni contributions to keep us afloat.

 

[HuskyHawk]

To block the Big 12 from the northeast. Phillips even said some expansion could be done to block another conference. The Big 12 can't add 17 and 18 without a new media partner.

It’s logical because he’s expecting the ACC to behave rationally. If it did, UConn would already be in it. They are at 15, it’s nuts. The ACC has a strong hand to play of it was just smarter about it, and if someone could muzzle the dopes at FSU.