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The Big East threw UConn a lifeline, and your hoops program has absolutely thrived in what is becoming an awesome basketball conference with some of the best coaches in the country. UConn should stay where it is. The grass is not always greener. …
 
WestCoastHusky said:
The rumor is they want to add before December 2023. Yormark already got the presidents to approve 17th and 18th.

This isn't over yet for this year. Therefore, I don't think the new schools can vote for 17th and 18th.
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Unfortunately there now a bunch of schools in the B12 who are full on uconn haters. Central Florida, Houston and Cincanniti will never vote for Uconn in just like Syracuse and BC in ACC
 
GoKU said:
I'm hearing we need to find more media money for 17 & 18. This may take a few months.
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I think this might be the counterside to things. As much as people talk "equal share" every school has a number attached to it. UConn may have some value but when you paid UConn AND Colorado it doesn't look so bad, when its UConn AND Oregon State it may not look so good... or that they had to swallow Utah. So on.

In the end this is not the conference's money per se. It's the media rights holders and they only have so much time access and each additional program, especially ones not already in regular play, is going to be a bit less valued.
 
GoKU said:
That Mhver dude is talking ACC teams, and that's not happening anytime soon. Only west teams I know that have been vetted are Stanford and Oregon State. The Big 12 wouldn't take both, already too heavy in the west.
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Didn’t stop them last time. They are on full blown PAC2.0. I’m putting Big12 on the lock…you have absolutely torched the East Coast schools, and the 3 you let in won’t let you change that.
 
FriarJ said:
Wow, you guys have lost your damn minds. Get a grip. Cooley cheated on his wife, got caught and his wife said if you want any chance at saving our marriage then you leave Providence. Canary in a coal mine??? LMFAO.
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Completely agree! Anyone who thinks Cooley as head coach would make a program more attractive clearly has lost their mind. I mean what has he done as a college coach? Nothing all that memorable.
 
CL82 said:
Completely agree! Anyone who thinks Cooley as head coach would make a program more attractive clearly has lost their mind. I mean what has he done as a college coach? Nothing all that memorable.
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He’s earned a lot of money would be about the best you could say. He also did a good job of changing the trajectory of a school and firing up a fan base that now donate money and fill an arena for games. I’m glad he’s gone but I recognize what he’s good at. So does Georgetown I guess.
 
XaMu said:
The Big East threw UConn a lifeline, and your hoops program has absolutely thrived in what is becoming an awesome basketball conference with some of the best coaches in the country. UConn should stay where it is. The grass is not always greener. …
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My position on this hasn’t changed. If the Big East could be assured on staying in its current form there’s no other conference I’d want our basketball teams in.

Current form defined as (in order of priority):
Key teams: Nova, GTown, St John’s
MSG
Double round robin schedule
Dedicated TV contract with block coverage

All of the above make the Big East the amazing conference that it is.

The problem is the above is fragile.
The TV contract could change decidedly in the next go around ruining the wonderful 2-3 game block scheduling weve been enjoying on fox.

We are one 2-4 team raid away from possibly disrupting the other 3.

Now my friend Friar J says it’s crazy to think that anyone from the big East would want to get in bed with the big 12, but I’m not sure.

First let’s talk motive.
1- if you’re not growing, you’re dying.
2- there is a collision coming between the ACC and the big 12.
3- the ACC is inevitably going to lose its major football players, some of the remaining schools will have a basketball mindset (Duke, Cuse, Louisville, for starters).
4- the ACC’s backfill plans when that happens WILL be big east schools.

There is undeniably a motivation for the big 12 to leverage its basketball momentum, undercut the ACC’s contingency plan and create a FOMO among ACC basketball schools when the music stops.

UConn, Nova, GTown and St John’s would bring:
NYC, Philly, DC. It would bring the iconic big east brands. It would bring MSG. It would create an east coast nucleus for Olympics. It would destroy a competitor for basketball contracts and it would create the magnetic advantage of which way teams flow between the ACC and Big 12 when it all goes down.

So why would the Big East schools say yes?

1-$
2-it’s the gun or the money. In the scenario where you say no and they go out and get someone else, you’re staring down the barrel.

Repeating my original premise: I don’t want to leave the big East in its current form.

But I don’t believe that the big east is immortal.
 
FriarJ said:
He’s earned a lot of money would be about the best you could say. He also did a good job of changing the trajectory of a school and firing up a fan base that now donate money and fill an arena for games. I’m glad he’s gone but I recognize what he’s good at. So does Georgetown I guess.
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True. It'll be interesting to see what he does at Georgetown we're expectations of what constitutes success are higher.
 
OkaForPrez said:
My position on this hasn’t changed. If the Big East could be assured on staying in its current form there’s no other conference I’d want our basketball teams in.

Current form defined as (in order of priority):
Key teams: Nova, GTown, St John’s
MSG
Double round robin schedule
Dedicated TV contract with block coverage

All of the above make the Big East the amazing conference that it is.

The problem is the above is fragile.
The TV contract could change decidedly in the next go around ruining the wonderful 2-3 game block scheduling weve been enjoying on fox.

We are one 2-4 team raid away from possibly disrupting the other 3.

Now my friend Friar J says it’s crazy to think that anyone from the big East would want to get in bed with the big 12, but I’m not sure.

First let’s talk motive.
1- if you’re not growing, you’re dying.
2- there is a collision coming between the ACC and the big 12.
3- the ACC is inevitably going to lose its major football players, some of the remaining schools will have a basketball mindset (Duke, Cuse, Louisville, for starters).
4- the ACC’s backfill plans when that happens WILL be big east schools.

There is undeniably a motivation for the big 12 to leverage its basketball momentum, undercut the ACC’s contingency plan and create a FOMO among ACC basketball schools when the music stops.

UConn, Nova, GTown and St John’s would bring:
NYC, Philly, DC. It would bring the iconic big east brands. It would bring MSG. It would create an east coast nucleus for Olympics. It would destroy a competitor for basketball contracts and it would create the magnetic advantage of which way teams flow between the ACC and Big 12 when it all goes down.

So why would the Big East schools say yes?

1-$
2-it’s the gun or the money. In the scenario where you say no and they go out and get someone else, you’re staring down the barrel.

Repeating my original premise: I don’t want to leave the big East in its current form.

But I don’t believe that the big east is immortal.
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These select BE schools are worth infinitely x more money as part of a southwest/west football conference than by staying together? Do have that right? What are you basing this on? Your own success in achieving this money? They have thrived with $5 mil a year and all the NCAA credits. You don’t think they can get that same money on a new deal?

The fact that you think that St. John’s playing in that basketball conference automatically means that all these New Yorkers will be excited about watching a Texas Tech vs. UCF football game on a fall Saturday is ridiculous. The only school in the BE that’s fan base wants out, is yours.
 
CL82 said:
True. It'll be interesting to see what he does at Georgetown we're expectations of what constitutes success are higher.
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I’m not sure it’s that high anymore. Only DePaul has a more apathetic fan base than the Hoyas. I mean Georgetown gave each graduate this spring 4 season tickets for free to this year if they wanted them. While PC students are apocalyptic on twitter that their name wasn’t drawn in the lottery for being able to pay the school for their season tickets. Night and day difference between these can bases in how much they care. Georgetowns draw was always because of its National presence and the racial overtones that followed that program. That’s gone now. Now they are just a Catholic school full of rich white kids who don’t give two craps about basketball.
 
Is there any chance the ACC could work around the GOR by agreeing to mutually split with a member? I don't even know if such a thing would be possible, but on paper a school like Louisville would seem to fit better in the Big 12, and I'm not sure the ACC would miss them all that much. Moving forward, I wouldn't even be surprised to see team for team swaps in non-p2 leagues where the money is comparable but the travel is not.

Such a maneuver would in theory open up at least two spots for UConn.
 
FriarJ said:
These select BE schools are worth infinitely x more money as part of a southwest/west football conference than by staying together?
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not infinitely, just more, assuming Yormark does the math well and uses the football strength to create just enough incentive

FriarJ said:
Do have that right? What are you basing this on? Your own success in achieving this money? They have thrived with $5 mil a year and all the NCAA credits. You don’t think they can get that same money on a new deal?
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Nothing to respond to here, just more of you being a .

FriarJ said:
The fact that you think that St. John’s playing in that basketball conference automatically means that all these New Yorkers will be excited about watching a Texas Tech vs. UCF football game on a fall Saturday is ridiculous.
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I didn’t say that. I’m talking strictly about the basketball brands in the big 12 benefiting from playing games in NYC. I’m assuming parody in the interest of New Yorkers to the current conference.

FriarJ said:
The only school in the BE that’s fan base wants out, is yours.
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If Yormark offers a vision with the existing basketball conference + the best brands in the acc and big east + Gonzaga to create a basketball super conference, schools may get jumpy.
 
OkaForPrez said:
not infinitely, just more, assuming Yormark does the math well and uses the football strength to create just enough incentive


Nothing to respond to here, just more of you being a .


I didn’t say that. I’m talking strictly about the basketball brands in the big 12 benefiting from playing games in NYC. I’m assuming parody in the interest of New Yorkers to the current conference.


If Yormark offers a vision with the existing basketball conference + the best brands in the acc and big east + Gonzaga to create a basketball super conference, schools may get jumpy.
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Basketball doesn’t matter. Not sure how many times you need to be hit over your head with that reality before it sinks in. What you are saying is just a bunch of made up nonsense of what you desire.

UConn is quite literally one of the top 3-5 basketball properties in the country, you also have FB and a NY presence. You are appear to be willing to let the other B12 teams take a dump on your chest to let you join by taking a very reduced pay out (heck some of you are saying you would take a BB only invite just for the hope that someday they can crap on you), yet you are still here in the exact same place.

Now you are trying to tell me that some of the BE’s hoops schools may move to the B12 because the B12 wants to dominate the world in all sports. Do you see how crazy what you are predicting is based upon the reality of the situation we have been hit in the face with dozens of times.

Basketball doesn’t matter despite what some commissioner says. It’s all about actions and not a single action outside of two in all of conference realignment. The first action was the c7 splitting to save basketball. And UConn rejoining. Those were both done to save basketball. UConn has an albatross. The thought that the B12 Commissioner is just going to “take” what he wants is just damn stupid. He won’t be able to whip up enough money from the other conference schools to do it. Heck, he couldn’t even do it for you guys. Good grief wake up.
 
FriarJ said:
Basketball doesn’t matter. Not sure how many times you need to be hit over your head with that reality before it sinks in. What you are saying is just a bunch of made up nonsense of what you desire.

UConn is quite literally one of the top 3-5 basketball properties in the country, you also have FB and a NY presence. You are appear to be willing to let the other B12 teams take a dump on your chest to let you join by taking a very reduced pay out (heck some of you are saying you would take a BB only invite just for the hope that someday they can crap on you), yet you are still here in the exact same place.

Now you are trying to tell me that some of the BE’s hoops schools may move to the B12 because the B12 wants to dominate the world in all sports. Do you see how crazy what you are predicting is based upon the reality of the situation we have been hit in the face with dozens of times.

Basketball doesn’t matter despite what some commissioner says. It’s all about actions and not a single action outside of two in all of conference realignment. The first action was the c7 splitting to save basketball. And UConn rejoining. Those were both done to save basketball. UConn has an albatross. The thought that the B12 Commissioner is just going to “take” what he wants is just damn stupid. He won’t be able to whip up enough money from the other conference schools to do it. Heck, he couldn’t even do it for you guys. Good grief wake up.
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