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My pount is simply that BY is forward thinking and moves with a purpose. The ACC schedule a meeting to discuss their options with respect to the Pac 12, while the Big 12 makes it move.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Yormark was dealing with a conference that had lost 2 bellwethers, a conference that panicked as it added 4 G5 schools, and so he had a lot of room to be aggressive.

If the ACC had added Colorado or Arizona St, you better believe that would've created problems with FSU and the like.
 
There is no way the deal will be less than the current offer. If it is it will just cost fox more as the BE teams get dissolved into larger conferences with higher payouts.
Unless paying a few teams more can be funded by paying the rest of the teams nothing.
 
Don't get mad or upset at me for saying this about UCONN football but I am from the West Coast. I know a ton about your basketball history and respect it immensely but I did not know out West here that UCONN had a football team. Never thought about it because I thought you were sort of like Gonzaga with no football program. Never seen your football team on tv on the west coast so maybe that was the reason. TSometimes the one name anyone mentions " in the wilderness out here" from your general area is Boston College all because of Doug Flutie winning the Heisman. Most people on the streets here see you all basketball 24-7. Just win in football will get you there.
But we feel the same way about you guys.

I see Oregon, Washington and USC / UCLA. Im not sure what school you follow, but I have not seen anyone else on my TV.

I'm also not sure how old you are but back when UConn was in a conference with an automatic bid and a TV deal, we were on TV regularly. Made the Fiesta Bowl.

I do appreciate there is a lack of knowledge about UConn. Weird perceptions too about the lack of market based on... Im guessing the small size of the state? Yet our state has more people in it than half the B12 states.

I saw Pac12 fans in agreement that life will be easier for UConn because it has a small athletic budget and because it has fewer good sports than the Pac12 remnants.

Yet UConn's athletic budget is $20m higher than Oregon State's and $15m higher than Wash St. It has many more sports. It was top 10 this year in baseball. Top 15 at points in hockey. It obviously wins men's and women's titles. It has won titles in field hockey; softball won the BE, etc.

If anything, this exercise emphasizes perhaps that it's not a good geographical or cultural fit--but we knew that.
 

The Big 12 presidents also voted on Friday night to pre-approve expansion efforts to a 17th and 18th team by December 31, 2023.
not too confident in this but BUT if we get shafted by oregon state and washington state, that's truly the most depressing thing ever
 
Their long term plan has been the same for years 9as has the ACC's), remain standing long enough to still be around when the big boys are finished doing what they want and hope there's enough money left when that happens to continue.
This should be tacked onto the top of this entire thread. It would reduce the thread by half if people understood this and proceeded accordingly.
 
Unless paying a few teams more can be funded by paying the rest of the teams nothing.
There is probably maybe 1 or 2 BE teams that would not find a home. Seton Hall and Butler. The rest will end up somewhere.
 
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The B12 really needs to stop right now because it is in grave danger of getting a crud deal in 2030.

You can't import ALL the dregs of the Pac12 and then expect a better deal than the Pac12 just got.

Well, at least, my brain doesn't work this way.
 
Yes, because the basketball brand will never go away. It will always have a home. If conferences do start adding bball only do you think the Big 10 would not be all over it?
I don't like to base my moves on a lot of "ifs". To get really good at basketball, all the Big10 schools have to do is put more focus on it and focus pretty much boils down to hiring great coaches. I think basketball-only strategy and hopes are a waste of time to think about until it isn't.
 
I can't imagine the BE hoop schools leaving the conference unless the money is just absurd.

Aside from leaving a basketball centric league with their peers, you'd be making travel a disaster and moving all of your athletics away from your alumni bases and the cities you recruit new students in.

I'm not sure Villanova is ready to trade away games in NYC, DC, Jersey, and CT for Lubbock, Ames and the Little Apple. It just doesn't make sense for them.
 
There is no way the deal will be less than the current offer. If it is it will just cost fox more as the BE teams get dissolved into larger conferences with higher payouts.
That’s not true at all. Why would any large conference add basketball only Big East schools and slice the pie more? Won’t happen.
 
I can't imagine the BE hoop schools leaving the conference unless the money is just absurd.

Aside from leaving a basketball centric league with their peers, you'd be making travel a disaster and moving all of your athletics away from your alumni bases and the cities you recruit new students in.

I'm not sure Villanova is ready to trade away games in NYC, DC, Jersey, and CT for Lubbock, Ames and the Little Apple. It just doesn't make sense for them.
Yeah but at the level of current BE payouts, absurd money is not that high of a bar. Would a 65%-75% increase in annual revenues be an absurd increase to these schools?
 
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not too confident in this but BUT if we get shafted by oregon state and washington state, that's truly the most depressing thing ever
Think about it. If they go that route then there'll be nothing less interesting that a UCF / Oregon State football game at 10pm on a Thursday. Right now that UCF / Kansas State football game does abosolutely nothing for me. Frankly, I'd rather watch the Browns vs Jacksonville before any Big 12 matchup. As for Yormark why bring any basketball to New York when your closest team is about 400 miles away.
 
Kraft was serious about the move. Tagliabue was furious when he found out (they had recently lost both LA teams) and while Foxboro wasn't Boston, he didn't want the NFL having to explain moving from Boston (even though a study showed that Hartford was closer to more season ticket holders than Boston was).

The locals didn't have their act together well enough when they made their pitch and didn't realize the amount of work necessary to resolve the underground steam pipe issues that would delay construction. That opening gave Tagliabue the opportunity step in.
Why are you telling me?
 
Uconn is a big enough basketball brand it will never go away. If doomsday happen and football is done than Uconn Bball will end up somewhere.
It might never go away, but it will be so undervalued that it too will be threatened. Clearly our BB prominence now (which arguably has never been higher) is not enough to power the AD into the big boys club.
 
Don't get mad or upset at me for saying this about UCONN football but I am from the West Coast. I know a ton about your basketball history and respect it immensely but I did not know out West here that UCONN had a football team. Never thought about it because I thought you were sort of like Gonzaga with no football program. Never seen your football team on tv on the west coast so maybe that was the reason. TSometimes the one name anyone mentions " in the wilderness out here" from your general area is Boston College all because of Doug Flutie winning the Heisman. Most people on the streets here see you all basketball 24-7. Just win in football will get you there.
What do you even say to this? If people choose not to pay attention, they choose not to pay attention. UConn isn't a small Catholic university like Gonzaga, it's the state university for a US state known as "Connecticut." Look it up if you don't believe me. This university has been playing FBS football for 20 years (and football in general since the olden days), had top-25-ranked teams before the Big East football breakup, and played in the Fiesta Bowl 12 years ago, and yet some fans didn't realize we even had a program? "Just win" must mean "just make it to the FBS championship game as an independent with a patchwork schedule." Not too much to ask. Everyone else had to do it, right?

Reminds me of how things were back in the 1980s when I'd wear my Seahawks gear around here, and some people would say "Oh, I didn't know Seattle had an NFL team." This was after they'd made it to the AFC championship game in '83, too. There's a definite tendency for people to only pay attention to what they already know, and block out new information.
 
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The B12 has been very transparent about its desire to add the Corner Four schools since the UCLA/USC defections to the B1G. One benefit was to preclude the PAC's poaching of schools from what was perceived to be a wounded B12 following the departures of Texas and Oklahoma. Mission accomplished. The PAC has been weakened substantially and, if it survives at all, will be unable to attract any but G5 additions. Yormark has also expressed a desire to bolster the B12's basketball strength and to get into the NY market. UConn would be a logical addition to accomplish that, but nobody knew for sure if there was any specific interest until Yormark was spotted in Storrs not too long ago. If/when the B12 gets serious about adding a #17 and #18, UConn will be invited because...who else? Just be patient. I'd imagine that your administration knows it's in the queue for the next round and is wise enough to remain silent.
 

The Big 12 presidents also voted on Friday night to pre-approve expansion efforts to a 17th and 18th team by December 31, 2023.
I would think 17 and 18 would be Stanford and Cal. What's interesting is that the Big 12 has gone from 1 AAU school (Kansas) to 5 as the 4 corner schools are all AAU which would improve the Big 12 academic reputation and make the conference more acceptable to Stanford and Cal.

Oregon St. and Washington St. go the the MWC.

This was not Yormack's original plan, but he probably didn't think there would be up to 8 Pac 12 schools available.
 
Here's a crazy thought. The Big 12 allows UCF/West Virginia/Cincinnati go to the ACC and the Big 12 grabs Stanford/Cal/Oregon State.
 
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Do you think UConn footballs current schedule is at all representative of a hypothetical Big 12 slate? If you really think that there is nothing further to discuss as grasping that basic fact is paramount to understanding why it would basically be a death March for the program.

UConn could in theory be Big 12 competitive in 5 years if they were in the conference. Without the money or TV or CFP access, it's curtains.
I don't think I'm following you/maybe you misconstrued my thinking... to answer your reply, I do believe having B12 games on our FB sked would be a very nice step up. I'm all for betting on Mora to get FB more respected and therefore better positioned for all sports PX status.
 
if the choices are ACC full member or B12 basketball only which would you choose?
ACC full member no question. More money, conference in our footprint. We get a chance to show our football team belongs in a power conference. I also don’t think the ACC with lose as many schools as others think. With the latest round of realignment there aren’t as many seats available at the other three tables. The PAC schools took them.
 
No brainer, ACC. B12 for BB only adds all the hassle with none of the benefit. Solves nothing. This entire exercise is finding a home for FB.
Yep but to be clear, it’s finding 10s of millions of dollars to subsidize the athletic program through the football product.
 
I agree with the 1st part, but if there is a way out of the GOR, there is a very good chance the ACC ends up like the PAC, with just Wake, Cuse, and BC not getting scooped up.

What's crazy is ESPN financed the destruction of the ACC. We just Fox do the same to PAC. To see the incredulity of national writers as if this didn't happen the exact same way a decade ago is fascinating.
Meant to say Big East not ACC.
 
There is probably maybe 1 or 2 BE teams that would not find a home. Seton Hall and Butler. The rest will end up somewhere.
I doubt it. As can be seen with our most recent conference realignment debacle, conferences don't particularly value basketball. Yormark would appear to be the exception, but even with all the political capital he had, he couldn't convince him his presidents are that we had more value to the conference over four teams who's basketball resumes, combined, don't even approach ours.

Besides us? Villanova, a recent champion in a major metropolitan area, arguably has some value. St. John's located in a major media market with access to MSG, might have some value. Georgetown, because it was once a great basketball brand and is located in a major metropolitan area, maybe. But beyond that, it's doubtful anyone move the needle.
 
I would think 17 and 18 would be Stanford and Cal. What's interesting is that the Big 12 has gone from 1 AAU school (Kansas) to 5 as the 4 corner schools are all AAU which would improve the Big 12 academic reputation and make the conference more acceptable to Stanford and Cal.

Oregon St. and Washington St. go the the MWC.

This was not Yormack's original plan, but he probably didn't think there would be up to 8 Pac 12 schools available.
I don’t think so. If the TV market has shown there’s not much appetite for western schools and late night games then it’s clear that further expansion would be east. All the best of the west are already off the board. Yormark doesn’t want to become the PAC 2.0 in 7 years.
 
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