Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[uconnphil2016]

Memphis getting good at Football at the exact right time while being an atrocious school academically and just being plain slimy reminds me eerily of the Louisville to ACC saga.

I think Louisville's brand and fan base is much larger--they're a nationally recognized school. When people think of Louisville they think of athletic success--especially in basketball. When you think of Memphis, you think of a couple of solid years with Coach Cal and then nothing

 

[MemphisBlues]

I looked up Memphis and found it is a school with poor academics (a school referred to as "Tiger High" by the locals) and it is surrounded by high crime ghetto neighborhoods.
I don't see how the Big 12 could benefit on any level by inviting Memphis. The Fed Ex CEO having to offer to pay millions to any conference that will take Memphis is already a clue Memphis would not be a good add.

I don't post here a lot but "please." Although you "looked it up" almost all of that is wrong. The U of M campus is one of the safest in the country. The area surrounding the campus has undergone 100's of millions of dollars in investment - with multiple sites for upscale off-campus student housing and investments in the nightspots down Highland Strip. Locals don't call Memphis "Tiger High" or really UT/Ole Miss fans any more. And the FedEX CEO never offered "millions to any conferencethat will take Memphis." But yes, our academics aren't the best. Your research skills?

 

[lne001]

When you think of Memphis, you think of a couple of solid years with Coach Cal and then nothing

Actually I think of 1973 and UCLA beating Memphis (St) in the NCAA finals behind Bill Walton's 44 pts while making 21 of 22 fgs.

 

[CAHUSKY]

I think Louisville's brand and fan base is much larger--they're a nationally recognized school. When people think of Louisville they think of athletic success--especially in basketball. When you think of Memphis, you think of a couple of solid years with Coach Cal and then nothing

If your older that 30 you have memories of Anfernee Hardaway, older than 40 Keith Lee (one of my favorite college players ever) and over 50 an NCAA final. They do have some cool history. That said, if they get in the Big 12 instead of us I am going to stop watching college sports.

 

[UT4Big12]

If your older that 30 you have memories of Anfernee Hardaway, older than 40 Keith Lee (one of my favorite college players ever) and over 50 an NCAA final. They do have some cool history. That said, if they get in the Big 12 instead of us I am going to stop watching college sports.

Well, I don't think you have to worry about Memphis.
Memphis does nothing to move the needle for the Big 12.

 

[Waquoit]

Actually I think of 1973 and UCLA beating Memphis (St) in the NCAA finals behind Bill Walton's 44 pts while making 21 of 22 fgs.

I think of BCU choking against Memphis or else the Big East would have had all 4 Final Four teams.

 

[billybud]

The only BB tourney that I have ever attended was in 1972...we are definitely the old bunch.

 

[SAMCRO]

I think Louisville's brand and fan base is much larger--they're a nationally recognized school. When people think of Louisville they think of athletic success--especially in basketball. When you think of Memphis, you think of a couple of solid years with Coach Cal and then nothing

For whatever reason I still think of former Memphis St BB player Baskerville Holmes, from the mid 80's. I think I saw him play on TV maybe 2 times when I was a kid, and was coincidentally reading the book The Hounds of Baskerville, s0 the name just stuck with me (his mother named him after the book). He was a very good CBB player who never made it in the NBA, ended up in Europe for years. Tragically he was an addict and ultimately ended up killing his girlfriend then committing suicide in the mid 90's.

On that uplifting note, enjoy the rest of your Thursday.

 

[upstater]

I think Louisville's brand and fan base is much larger--they're a nationally recognized school. When people think of Louisville they think of athletic success--especially in basketball. When you think of Memphis, you think of a couple of solid years with Coach Cal and then nothing

They were tied at the hip prior to the Big East and Pitino. Brand and fanbase. Louisville's fanbase consistently fills up the big arena, but it doesn't extend outside the city limits. I just described Memphis as well.

 

[CallMeBruce]

Memphis getting good at Football at the exact right time while being an atrocious school academically and just being plain slimy reminds me eerily of the Louisville to ACC saga.

With Lynch and Fuente gone, Memphis will be back to a football mediocrity next season. Don't you worry.

 

[businesslawyer]

For whatever reason I still think of former Memphis St BB player Baskerville Holmes, from the mid 80's. I think I saw him play on TV maybe 2 times when I was a kid, and was coincidentally reading the book The Hounds of Baskerville, s0 the name just stuck with me (his mother named him after the book). He was a very good CBB player who never made it in the NBA, ended up in Europe for years. Tragically he was an addict and ultimately ended up killing his girlfriend then committing suicide in the mid 90's.

On that uplifting note, enjoy the rest of your Thursday.

Didn't the wonderfully named Baskerville Holmes play with Andre Turner, wonderfully nicknamed for a point guard "Andre Turnover."

(As an aside, when I went with my sone to an AAU tournament in Memphis a number of years ago, they played in an inner city school gym where Andre Turner went to school, and there were murals of him all over the place.)

 

[BoatShow]

Didn't the wonderfully named Baskerville Holmes play with Andre Turner, wonderfully nicknamed for a point guard "Andre Turnover."

(As an aside, when I went with my sone to an AAU tournament in Memphis a number of years ago, they played in an inner city school gym where Andre Turner went to school, and there were murals of him all over the place.)

My favorite misfortunate athlete name is the MLB pitcher Grant Held out.

 

[Revrat]

Can't we just start banning people that can't figure out what the tweets threads are for? I come here to read about tweets about realignment not about unfortunate baseball player names.

 

[BoatShow]

Yeah my post sucked autocorrect even changed it.

 

[dayooper]

Can't we just start banning people that can't figure out what the tweets threads are for? I come here to read about tweets about realignment not about unfortunate baseball player names.

I'm not sure if this is a key tweet or not. Keep it key, folks!

 

[The Funster]

Well, I think we need a "Key tweets discussion thread" as I don't think it proper to just post a key tweet and have it hanging out there without any way to comment on it.

 

[The Funster]

I mean, granted, there are a lot of extraneous posts (this one included of course ) in this thread but a lof them have been related to the "key tweet" if not about its content surely about the veracity of said "tweet".

 

[The Funster]

And, I must say, I'm enjoying posting this nonsense in the "key tweets" thread because its living life on the edge. Kind of like kicking my legs in the water of an, umm, shark tank.

 

[CTGoonie]

Having a semi-interesting Twitter conversation with our pal Dennis Dodd. It started with me questioning why he mentions BYU often.
DD: Where the hell did you get that idea?
Me: I've just seen you more than others pushing them for B12 consideration.
DD: Cincinnati and BYU are most common names mentioned. That's fact. Already out there. Pushing? No. There's nothing in it for me.
Me: Maybe I'm being a homer but for what the B12 needs (network, east coast tv for fox, brand) Uconn should be their #1 choice.
DD: B12 expansion conversation starts with 1 question: Who's going to pay for it? No money in the system re rightsholders. No two schools bring pro rata. Even during realignment ESPN wasn't particularly pleased it had to pay more for SEC and SEC Network.
With expansion B12 would have to split NCAA money 12 ways instead of 10. Why do that?
Me: Having a network would certainly help bridge the gap between the B12 and SEC/B1G. They won't ever match them but getting to 12, expanding their footprint is the only path forward. Stay at 10 and OU leaves
DD: There's no footprint to expand. As I said, no two teams bring pro rata. You expand to earn MORE money, not stay even. What does "bridge the gap" mean? In any financial universe B12 is going to be behind SEC and Big Ten. Forever. The trail SEC by $9 million per school right now. Let's say by some miracle they get to within $5 million. Still in third place.OU CAN'T leave. They've all signed a grant of rights until 2024.
Me
I never said they would approach the earnings of the B1G or SEC. GoR's can certainly be negotiated and in any case 2024 is not that far away. Without a network the B12 will be 4th or maybe even 5th.B12 needs east coast eyeballs. Fox would love to have Uconn basketball to help their abysmal ratings.By the way I remember a couple years ago you had said Uconn was on the top of the B1G wish list. What happened there?
DD: First of all, a couple of years. Shoot me that link.
Me: I'll look for it. Thanks for taking the time to respond.blogs.courant.com/uconn_football…Looks like the actual story isn't available anymore. Since that article Uconn has only improved their brand (and won several NC's).
DD
I wouldn't say losing AQ status is exactly improving brand. Remember, it's still all about fb. Proof: Kansas was THIS close to moving to Mountain West in 2010 when B12 was breaking up. Didn't really matter it had top 5 bkb
program.
Me: Fb is getting better with Diaco as their coach. Uconn didn't earn their demotion to the G5 so it's unfair to say we have to earn our way back in.

 

[MattMang23]

Yes it's our fault we lost AQ status.

 

[CL82]

Having a semi-interesting Twitter conversation with our pal Dennis Dodd. It started with me questioning why he mentions BYU often.
DD: Where the hell did you get that idea?
Me: I've just seen you more than others pushing them for B12 consideration.
DD: Cincinnati and BYU are most common names mentioned. That's fact. Already out there. Pushing? No. There's nothing in it for me.
Me: Maybe I'm being a homer but for what the B12 needs (network, east coast tv for fox, brand) Uconn should be their #1 choice.
DD: B12 expansion conversation starts with 1 question: Who's going to pay for it? No money in the system re rightsholders. No two schools bring pro rata. Even during realignment ESPN wasn't particularly pleased it had to pay more for SEC and SEC Network.
With expansion B12 would have to split NCAA money 12 ways instead of 10. Why do that?
Me: Having a network would certainly help bridge the gap between the B12 and SEC/B1G. They won't ever match them but getting to 12, expanding their footprint is the only path forward. Stay at 10 and OU leaves
DD: There's no footprint to expand. As I said, no two teams bring pro rata. You expand to earn MORE money, not stay even. What does "bridge the gap" mean? In any financial universe B12 is going to be behind SEC and Big Ten. Forever. The trail SEC by $9 million per school right now. Let's say by some miracle they get to within $5 million. Still in third place.OU CAN'T leave. They've all signed a grant of rights until 2024.
Me
I never said they would approach the earnings of the B1G or SEC. GoR's can certainly be negotiated and in any case 2024 is not that far away. Without a network the B12 will be 4th or maybe even 5th.B12 needs east coast eyeballs. Fox would love to have Uconn basketball to help their abysmal ratings.By the way I remember a couple years ago you had said Uconn was on the top of the B1G wish list. What happened there?
DD: First of all, a couple of years. Shoot me that link.
Me: I'll look for it. Thanks for taking the time to respond.blogs.courant.com/uconn_football…Looks like the actual story isn't available anymore. Since that article Uconn has only improved their brand (and won several NC's).
DD
I wouldn't say losing AQ status is exactly improving brand. Remember, it's still all about fb. Proof: Kansas was THIS close to moving to Mountain West in 2010 when B12 was breaking up. Didn't really matter it had top 5 bkb
program.
Me: Fb is getting better with Diaco as their coach. Uconn didn't earn their demotion to the G5 so it's unfair to say we have to earn our way back in.

Do you think it worth mentioning that there is anti-dilution clause in the Big 12's TV deal. So any additions don't need to bring in money to "pay" for that?

FWIW, I do think UConn brings value and I think the metrics studies show just that. But our friend Mr. Dodd is starting from a flawed position.

 

[UConn Dan]

tool. I wish that link still worked.

 

[NYUConn]

It's also completely disingenuous for DD to claim that KU was heading to the MWC in 2010 if the Big 12 imploded when there were very public rumblings that the two Kansas Schools, Baylor and Iowa State were in talks to enter the Big East.

 

[WestCoastHusky]

What this showed is there are plenty of tools in the media like DD who are pretty clueless about the whole conference realignment situation. Unfortunately, public perception is and will be shaped by tools like him.

 

[UConn Dan]

I'll send them flowers!

 

[jostar1]

Dodd: No two schools bring pro rata.

Why would he even say this? They don't have to bring pro-rata. Dodd was the one who broke the story. Boren confirmed it.

There is no loss of money from the TV contract if the Big 12 adds two schools. This was first revealed in a story by Dennis Dodd story published 5/30/2012:

"The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year).

One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State." And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn't stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...n-and-feeling-its-oats-sitting-at-10-12-or-14

Maybe you can send that story to Dodd to remind him.

 

[CTGoonie]

Dodd: No two schools bring pro rata.

Why would he even say this? They don't have to bring pro-rata. Dodd was the one who broke the story. Boren confirmed it.

There is no loss of money from the TV contract if the Big 12 adds two schools. This was first revealed in a story by Dennis Dodd story published 5/30/2012:

"The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year).

One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State." And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn't stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...n-and-feeling-its-oats-sitting-at-10-12-or-14

Maybe you can send that story to Dodd to remind him.

I did but thus far he has gone silent.

 

[pj]

B12 is only protected from dilution from #s 11 and 12 through the end of this TV deal, 2024. If they want to keep the league after that, they'll want additions who pull their own weight. Also if they got that clause, probably the TV networks got some control over who they add. If the TV networks have to payout $40 mn extra when they add, they might balk at schools that don't provide that. So the pro rata clause doesn't mean that it's meaningless what a potential addition brings.

Fortunately, UConn brings more than anyone, so if there is going to be expansion at all, these issues work in our favor.

 

[hardcorehusky]

What's the difference between Dennis Dodd and Andy Gresh? There is no such thing as research in journalism anymore. These guys have a platform above the Dude and MH Ver or whatever his name is. And the same stupid output....

 

[CL82]

What's the difference between Dennis Dodd and Andy Gresh? ....

People actually have heard of Dennis Dodd?