Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[CTFAN4LIFE]

So basically, 4 of the P5 conferences had made the investment and gone through the pain of being able to have a conference championship game involving 12+ teams divided into 2 divisions. Yet, Bowlsby and the XII instead of seeking a compromise 1) don't want to expand and 2) want to have Texas and Oklahoma in the same division basically trying to assure itself that Oklahoma and Texas will be the championship game each year. hate to break it to him; but, the Long Horns have not been the XII's best team in some time. I can't see how this is going to end well for the XII.

Totally agree with your point regarding why on earth would the other four let the fifth get a "free pass". Not gonna happen.

 

[Clockshop]

 

[junglehusky]

In that story:



B12 staying at 10 is, on balance, good for UConn IMHO. Avoids the risk of being left out again while potentially Cincy gets in the P5, triggering a look-in to the ESPN contract (less money).

 

[gampelcrazies]

In that story:



B12 staying at 10 is, on balance, good for UConn IMHO. Avoids the risk of being left out again while potentially Cincy gets in the P5, triggering a look-in to the ESPN contract (less money).

I thought that it had be determined by the other conferences if they could have a 10 team conference championship?

 

[FDNY99]

I thought that it had be determined by the other conferences if they could have a 10 team conference championship?

From what is coming out on twitter from some of the B-12 beat writers looks like there may have been a compromise reached before the vote.

 

[The Viking]

So all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because they don't want to force the Big 12 to expand? Even though other conferences had to expand to get a CCG - namely the ACC right?

 

[CL82]

So all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because they don't want to force the Big 12 to expand? Even though other conferences had to expand to get a CCG - namely the ACC right?

No, all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because of Conference Realignment Rule #1.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

So all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because they don't want to force the Big 12 to expand? Even though other conferences had to expand to get a CCG - namely the ACC right?

Agree. The game being played has too much emphasis on $$, egos, and tit-for-tat. If there is some sort of compromise, then it must also include some other elements that make it "fair" for the other 4 conferences.

 

[junglehusky]

No, all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because of Conference Realignment Rule #1.

I'm more worried about Rule 1's impact if the B12 expands than if it doesn't.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Even if this is true, this does not solve the Big 12s problems. If the conference champion keeps getting overlooked or if OU starts sniffing elsewhere, expansion is back on the table.

 

[dwalks93]

That "compromise" sounds like a terrible idea for any conference ( to include the SEC, Big10 or Pac 10 ) who is already split in 2 divisions. Consider a scenario where OSU is the #1 rated Big10 team and MSU is the second highest rated team in the BIg10. However since they are on the same division OSU goes on to play a far lower rated team (maybe an Iowa or Wisconsin) who won the other division in the Big10 CCG. Meanwhile the Big12 is able to always insure their 2 highest rated team meet in their CCG. If it comes down to strength of schedule or "quality wins" for that final spot in the playoff the Big12 has an advantage.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

How is that a compromise? That is the Big 12's original proposal.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

How is that a compromise? That is the Big 12's original proposal.

I dont know what the original Big 12 proposal was... did it include some sort of round robin scheduling to avoid the ccg and the minimum required teams per division?

 

[dwalks93]

The "compromise" is the Big12 has to play their 2 top ranked team in CCG. The original Big12 proposal did not specify how the 2 teams would be selected so theoretically the Big12 could have pick any 2 they wanted for the CCG. That said, If the Big12 gets to play a CCG with 10 without any divisions they have an advantage over the other P5.

 

[Husky25]

The compromise will probably be something on the order of the Big XII will add at least two programs for football and get its CCG, but will be able to pick divisions to their own device, thereby separating Oklahoma and Texas in opposing divisions.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

The vote has not taken place yet, so it is all speculation. Even if things went that way, it does not address all of the XII's issues, primarily limited footprint and the lack of a TV network. OU is still likely to bolt.

That said, Rule #1 will apply.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

I still don't see why the other for P5 conferences would let the fifth get a special arrangement... here is a good point posted in a comment section:

"The Big12 will have a huge advantage for the playoffs if the above proposal goes through. The conferences currently in a 2 division format (the ACC, Big10, SEC, etc..) cannot insure their top 2 ranked team play in their CCG. For example, FSU and Clemson are in the same division in the ACC and OSU and MSU are in the same division in the Big10 so they by design they cannot play in the CCG even if they are the 2 highest ranked team in the conference.

If it comes down to "strength of schedule" or "quality wins" for that last spot in the playoff, the Big12 has an advantage since it always can match its 2 best teams.

To give this kind of advantage to the Big12 the other conferences must really not want the possibility of expansion."

The last point the poster made is imho right on point --- and I just can't see the other conferences being that dead set against expansion.

 

[FDNY99]

I still don't see why the other for P5 conferences would let the fifth get a special arrangement... here is a good point posted in a comment section:

"The Big12 will have a huge advantage for the playoffs if the above proposal goes through. The conferences currently in a 2 division format (the ACC, Big10, SEC, etc..) cannot insure their top 2 ranked team play in their CCG. For example, FSU and Clemson are in the same division in the ACC and OSU and MSU are in the same division in the Big10 so they by design they cannot play in the CCG even if they are the 2 highest ranked team in the conference.

If it comes down to "strength of schedule" or "quality wins" for that last spot in the playoff, the Big12 has an advantage since it always can match its 2 best teams.

To give this kind of advantage to the Big12 the other conferences must really not want the possibility of expansion."

The last point the poster made is imho right on point --- and I just can't see the other conferences being that dead set against expansion.

The B-12 has never been against splitting into 2 divisions to have a CCG with 10 teams...if I'm not mistaken that may have been why they originally asked for deregulation. It's the ACC that wants to pick who plays in the ACC Championship game..that's why Delaney and the B1G added that addendum about 2 divisions. It was a direct shot at the ACC...not the B-12. It just works better with 2 6 team divisions instead of 2 5 team divisions.

 

[huskymedic]

McMurphyESPN 8:11pm via Tweetbot for iΟS
There had been previous reports to contrary but Mountain West commish Craig Thompson told me his league has “no interest” in expanding

 

[BlueHen]

The only compromise that I can see would be to allow the Big XII to split into two 5-team divisions and have a CCG. The Big XII would not have to expand, but it would have to let its division champions play in the CCG, same as every other conference.

Allowing the Big XII to pick its two best teams for the CCG would give it an edge over the other P5 conferences, I'd be surprised if that were approved.

 

[CallMeBruce]

The only compromise that I can see would be to allow the Big XII to split into two 5-team divisions and have a CCG. The Big XII would not have to expand, but it would have to let its division champions play in the CCG, same as every other conference.

Allowing the Big XII to pick its two best teams for the CCG would give it an edge over the other P5 conferences, I'd be surprised if that were approved.

Especially since this seemed to be specifically what the SEC and B10 wanted to prevent from happening.

 

[uchusky32]

The only compromise that I can see would be to allow the Big XII to split into two 5-team divisions and have a CCG. The Big XII would not have to expand, but it would have to let its division champions play in the CCG, same as every other conference.

Allowing the Big XII to pick its two best teams for the CCG would give it an edge over the other P5 conferences, I'd be surprised if that were approved.

Isn't that what the ACC wants to do? Slightly different.

 

[upstater]

The compromise will probably be something on the order of the Big XII will add at least two programs for football and get its CCG, but will be able to pick divisions to their own device, thereby separating Oklahoma and Texas in opposing divisions.

Why wouldn't they be able to form their own divisions, if forced to?

 

[Husky25]

All reports I've seen say that if the Big XII were to go to divisions, UT and OU would be on the same side and if you look at the geograhy, it makes sense that they would. Perhaps part of the compromise is to break away from the traditional method of creating division (i.e. geography).

 

[huskypantz]

All reports I've seen say that if the Big XII were to go to divisions, UT and OU would be on the same side and if you look at the geograhy, it makes sense that they would. Perhaps part of the compromise is to break away from the traditional method of creating division (i.e. geography).

They want OU playing Texas in the B12 championship game. That is the inherent issue with playing in the same division. You only get around that with the ACC proposal where the top ranked schools play instead of division winners.