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FDNY99 said:
B1G, SEC, and Pac 12 have 80 votes between them...ACC and B-12 only have 48. Add the MAC's 12 votes because they are voting with he B1G and that's 92 votes against right off them top.
Here are the remaining conferences with number of votes:
AAC 12 votes
CUSA 13 votes (UAB is back in 2017 bringing them back to 14)
Mountain West 12 votes
Sunbelt 11 votes (Coastal Carolina will make 12 teams in 2017)
Independent's 3 (ND, BYU, UMass)
That makes 51 votes not committed (that we know of)....only 1 of those conferences has to vote with the BiG, SEC, Pac-12 and MAC to vote this down.
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I thought the votes went BY CONFERENCE, with the P5 conferences (not schools) getting 2 votes each and the other conferences getting one vote each. Why are you counting votes by schools?
 
I understood that's how it was tallied because some conferences have more schools that others.
 
CL82 said:
I wonder a bit if the Big 12 sudden public flirtation with us is their way of saying that there will consequences if you vote against our CCG plan. Those consequences being the loss of a desirable piece (Connecticut) and competition on the East coast. An attempt to change the cost/benefit analysis a bit to the favor there proposal makes sense but it may be a too Storrs-centric view.
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What public flirtation?
 
huskymedic said:
slmandel 1:36pm via Twitter for iPhone
Bob Bowlsby: "We do not want to add members or be forced to play two divisions." NCAA proposal vote next week
http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...-sec-greg-sankey-ncaa-rule-change-vote-011016
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Reached by phone Sunday morning, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said: “We continue to support full deregulation and believe conferences should have full prerogative on how they conduct competition. Having stated our first preference, I believe we can find a compromise that will work.”

Asked if that compromise could include two divisions, Bowlsby said: “We do not want to add members or be forced to play two divisions. Any compromise would have to consider those two provisions.”
 
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jostar1 said:
Reached by phone Sunday morning, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said: “We continue to support full deregulation and believe conferences should have full prerogative on how they conduct competition. Having stated our first preference, I believe we can find a compromise that will work.”

Asked if that compromise could include two divisions, Bowlsby said: “We do not want to add members or be forced to play two divisions. Any compromise would have to consider those two provisions.”
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That looks like a man who is making a ingenious PR move...he can then go back to his conference if motion is voted down and say..I tried everything possible to get it to pass...now we need to move forward. If for some reason he gets a compromise he has succeeded in what they wanted to do.
 
Jon Solomon ‏@JonSolomonCBS 3h3 hours ago
Will NCAA vote this week force Big 12 to expand for conference championship game? http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ce-big-12-to-expand-for-conference-title-game …

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said Sunday his conference will vote against proposals that would change the format of football championship games, but he did indicate a willingness to find a different way for the Big 12 to stage a championship game if it wants one.

“Is there a way to allow a 10-team conference to play full round robin and play a championship game?” Sankey asked. “I think that's worthy of a conversation, but it hasn't been introduced for formal consideration at this point.”

“There is a standard that’s been set, and there are four conferences among the five that meet that standard,” he said. “But there’s an openness to see if there’s an approach that works for the Big 12 in its current circumstance.”

Bowlsby said the Big 12 could go to two, five-team divisions as the Big Ten proposal would require. But the Big 12 wants to avoid that because its two best teams could be on one side of the division.

“What would have been the best matchup was already played within divisional play,” Bowlsby said of such a scenario. “I'm not convinced that a full round robin isn't the most viable and most reliable way to determine your champion.
 
Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 4h4 hours ago
If the SEC and Big Ten ever demand the Big 12 expand to 12 teams, it will happen. Book it. Oh, I think that definitely happens.

Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 4h4 hours ago
This is the real dilemma. League doesn't want to go west. So... UConn? UCF? Houston? Cincy?

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‏@JazzCougs @BDavisAAS @URClassless @bigjondaniel BYU is the obvious answer. Bigger and brings more than any other candidate by a fair margin

Brian Davis ‏@BDavisAAS · 4h4 hours ago
Bronco just left because BYU isn't joining the Power 5 anytime soon.

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Covers the Texas Longhorns for the Austin American-Statesman. That includes football, basketball and other stuff.
 
TRest said:
What public flirtation?
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Typical Big 12 media people suddenly speaking favorably aobut UConn, KState univ pres tweet about talking with Herbst, etc.
 
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I'm sure they have multiple contingency plans if vote is rejected. A Tweet isn't going to influence the B1G or SEC.

CL82 said:
Typical. Big 12 media people suddenly speaking favorably aobut UConn, KState univ pres tweet about talking with Herbst, etc.
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CL82 said:
Typical. Big 12 media people suddenly speaking favorably aobut UConn, KState univ pres tweet about talking with Herbst, etc.
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What do mean by typical? I'm not drinking the phantom koolaid? I hope for something a little more solid than what we've seen so far.
 
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TRest said:
What do mean by typical? I'm not drinking the phantom koolaid? I hope for something a little more solid than what we've seen so far.
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Ignore the period, it's a typo. I meant the normal/standard Big 12 media people.
 
jostar1 said:
Jon Solomon ‏@JonSolomonCBS 3h3 hours ago
Will NCAA vote this week force Big 12 to expand for conference championship game? http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ce-big-12-to-expand-for-conference-title-game …

“There is a standard that’s been set, and there are four conferences among the five that meet that standard,” he said. “But there’s an openness to see if there’s an approach that works for the Big 12 in its current circumstance.”

Bowlsby said the Big 12 could go to two, five-team divisions as the Big Ten proposal would require. But the Big 12 wants to avoid that because its two best teams could be on one side of the division.

“What would have been the best matchup was already played within divisional play,” Bowlsby said of such a scenario. “I'm not convinced that a full round robin isn't the most viable and most reliable way to determine your champion.
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So basically, 4 of the P5 conferences had made the investment and gone through the pain of being able to have a conference championship game involving 12+ teams divided into 2 divisions. Yet, Bowlsby and the XII instead of seeking a compromise 1) don't want to expand and 2) want to have Texas and Oklahoma in the same division basically trying to assure itself that Oklahoma and Texas will be the championship game each year. hate to break it to him; but, the Long Horns have not been the XII's best team in some time. I can't see how this is going to end well for the XII.
 
jostar1 said:
Jon Solomon ‏@JonSolomonCBS 3h3 hours ago
Will NCAA vote this week force Big 12 to expand for conference championship game? http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...ce-big-12-to-expand-for-conference-title-game …
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“What would have been the best matchup was already played within divisional play,” Bowlsby said of such a scenario. “I'm not convinced that a full round robin isn't the most viable and most reliable way to determine your champion.
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Full round robin is the most viable and reliable way to determine your champion...which is why you don't get to subvert that with a conference championship game.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
So basically, 4 of the P5 conferences had made the investment and gone through the pain of being able to have a conference championship game involving 12+ teams divided into 2 divisions. Yet, Bowlsby and the XII instead of seeking a compromise 1) don't want to expand and 2) want to have Texas and Oklahoma in the same division basically trying to assure itself that Oklahoma and Texas will be the championship game each year. hate to break it to him; but, the Long Horns have not been the XII's best team in some time. I can't see how this is going to end well for the XII.
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Totally agree with your point regarding why on earth would the other four let the fifth get a "free pass". Not gonna happen.
 
Clockshop said:
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In that story:



B12 staying at 10 is, on balance, good for UConn IMHO. Avoids the risk of being left out again while potentially Cincy gets in the P5, triggering a look-in to the ESPN contract (less money).
 
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junglehusky said:
In that story:



B12 staying at 10 is, on balance, good for UConn IMHO. Avoids the risk of being left out again while potentially Cincy gets in the P5, triggering a look-in to the ESPN contract (less money).
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I thought that it had be determined by the other conferences if they could have a 10 team conference championship?
 
gampelcrazies said:
I thought that it had be determined by the other conferences if they could have a 10 team conference championship?
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From what is coming out on twitter from some of the B-12 beat writers looks like there may have been a compromise reached before the vote.
 
So all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because they don't want to force the Big 12 to expand? Even though other conferences had to expand to get a CCG - namely the ACC right?
 
The Viking said:
So all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because they don't want to force the Big 12 to expand? Even though other conferences had to expand to get a CCG - namely the ACC right?
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No, all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because of Conference Realignment Rule #1.
 
The Viking said:
So all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because they don't want to force the Big 12 to expand? Even though other conferences had to expand to get a CCG - namely the ACC right?
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Agree. The game being played has too much emphasis on $$, egos, and tit-for-tat. If there is some sort of compromise, then it must also include some other elements that make it "fair" for the other 4 conferences.
 
CL82 said:
No, all along the NCAA made you have 12 for a championship game and now they're changing it for the Big 12 because of Conference Realignment Rule #1.
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I'm more worried about Rule 1's impact if the B12 expands than if it doesn't.
 
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Even if this is true, this does not solve the Big 12s problems. If the conference champion keeps getting overlooked or if OU starts sniffing elsewhere, expansion is back on the table.
 
That "compromise" sounds like a terrible idea for any conference ( to include the SEC, Big10 or Pac 10 ) who is already split in 2 divisions. Consider a scenario where OSU is the #1 rated Big10 team and MSU is the second highest rated team in the BIg10. However since they are on the same division OSU goes on to play a far lower rated team (maybe an Iowa or Wisconsin) who won the other division in the Big10 CCG. Meanwhile the Big12 is able to always insure their 2 highest rated team meet in their CCG. If it comes down to strength of schedule or "quality wins" for that final spot in the playoff the Big12 has an advantage.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
How is that a compromise? That is the Big 12's original proposal.
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I dont know what the original Big 12 proposal was... did it include some sort of round robin scheduling to avoid the ccg and the minimum required teams per division?
 
The "compromise" is the Big12 has to play their 2 top ranked team in CCG. The original Big12 proposal did not specify how the 2 teams would be selected so theoretically the Big12 could have pick any 2 they wanted for the CCG. That said, If the Big12 gets to play a CCG with 10 without any divisions they have an advantage over the other P5.
 
The compromise will probably be something on the order of the Big XII will add at least two programs for football and get its CCG, but will be able to pick divisions to their own device, thereby separating Oklahoma and Texas in opposing divisions.
 
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