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businesslawyer said:
No. A coach would say that a team that at its best won 8 games hired a guy they wanted and then fired him after back to back 5-7 years, one of which would have been much better if he had a QB. Coaches want to see things from the eyes of coaches, like everyone else.
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Even with a minimal amount of research into the program, which I'd expect a potential HC to do when contemplating a job, it was clear as day they were winning games in spite of P.

We all saw it as fans, and while I know his peers would likely sympathize more with P being fellow Head coaches, it was clear as day what was going on here.
 
Spin it as a positive.

5-7 with losses to Western Michigan and completely losing home field advantage aren't good enough here.

Maybe it costs you more guaranteed money up front - but that would have been a lot less net cost than the 24 months at sea thanks to that 4 games of proof.
 
It's all hypothetical, but if a brand new AD fired the HC, and then it came out that the trustees weren't happy they weren't consulted or were concerned about the buyout, I could see that being a red flag. You don't want to take a job in an environment where your boss and your boss's boss are not on the same page, unless you're either desperate for work or you think you be successful without all the right resources and leave after a few years.

It might not keep away a Whipple type coach, but could make it a little harder to land either an established guy like Mullen (at the time he was on the hot seat and there were rumors he was at least asking around about UConn) or a younger, aspiring guy like Diaco.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Even with a minimal amount of research into the program, which I'd expect a potential HC to do when contemplating a job, it was clear as day they were winning games in spite of P.

We all saw it as fans, and while I know his peers would likely sympathize more with P being fellow Head coaches, it was clear as day what was going on here.
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Whenever a coach coming off 5-7 seasons is fired, ,there will always -- ALWAYS -- be at least part of a fanbase saying that "you could see disaster coming." The fact that this fanbase in this instance did see it coming doesn't change how it looks on the outside.
 
businesslawyer said:
Whenever a coach coming off 5-7 seasons is fired, ,there will always -- ALWAYS -- be at least part of a fanbase saying that "you could see disaster coming." The fact that this fanbase in this instance did see it coming doesn't change how it looks on the outside.
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You don't think a potential HC would have more insight and potentially be able to obtain more inside information on the state of a program than the general outside perception? I can't imagine a coach looking at all situatuons relatively equal and just see a coach fired after back to back 5 win seasons?
 
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businesslawyer said:
Whenever a coach coming off 5-7 seasons is fired, ,there will always -- ALWAYS -- be at least part of a fanbase saying that "you could see disaster coming." The fact that this fanbase in this instance did see it coming doesn't change how it looks on the outside.
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You are arguing how his firing looked to the outside being more important than setting fire to the 2013 season and making the rebuild that much more difficult.

Someone like Diaco is going to turn down 8-9 million dollars and the opportunity to be a head coach because he felt UConn was unfair to Paul Pasqaloni? You'll have to color me doubtful on that fact.

For one BC was legitimately unfair to a pretty successful Jags.. and they landed Addazio who had a head coaching job... (yes I know Spaz in between).

I don't think you can make it protocol, but I don't see how fixing an error one time negatively impacts who you can get when you've got 8 figures to toss around.

As bad as we ripped P - nobody has been harsher on him than Diaco.
 
We knew. That 2013 season FELT like we were limping through it. And Warde Manuel knew. He insisted on coaching changes that a solid PP would not have agreed to.

Let's not look too deep. It matters that Pasqualoni had a Connecticut home ribbon wrapped around him. That mattered to some that were either donors or stakeholders or on the BOT or somewhere. Warde was new enough that he would be hesitant to pull that trigger; he needed all the juice he could get to make hires like Cavanaugh and raises for Auriemma & Ollie. After two 5-7 seasons, it would have taken big balls to out PP. Look across the landscape and we see that the Buffalo AD (one of the White progeny) did take out Quinn. That SEEMED premature from my vantage point. Buffalo has had a far more spotty track record in football than OUR University. But ... I think that made that easier. No Sports history in a Pro town: off him.

As UConn - with a modest 15 year history in the highest level - I am with BL. We need to be more careful about perception than others. I agree with you if you said some solid Assistant would take our job. I guess I don't think you are playing for Diaco. You are trying to appeal to the agents and greater world of coaches that UConn is going to give solid chances. PP fired himself in September of 2014 with just putrid production performance.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
Berry Tramel‏@BerryTramel 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten's new scheduling model further cripples Big 12's status http://newsok.com/big-tens-new-sche...rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Berry Tramel makes me think of wine for some reason. Oh wait, that would be Grape Trample.

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No one, no one gets canned after two consecutive subpar reviews(not even talking poor). Hasn't happened anywhere I worked. After three, absolutely because it defines a trend. Warde canned PP before a .500 season was still possible, improbable but not impossible.
 
businesslawyer said:
The decision to bring PP back for a third year, at the time, was not dumb. Even if you thought that PP would not turn it around (which I thought), if you fired a coach after two 5-7 years it would have been very hard to bring in the new coach you wanted, because the message was your leash is incredibly, incredibly, short.
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BS. They could have gotten the same guy.
 
I completely disagree with BL, a rarity. Firing the guy who was a laughingstock after two years would have shown that UConn was serious about football. And in a better position to hire a better coach than one year further into the non-P5abyss. No one thinks UConn is serious about football today and now we have clown shoes making headlines for thinking this team will go undefeated. Its an embarrassment. Warde had every right to stand up and fire PP and take ownership of the program and show the country UConn football mattered. He waited a year, made a bad hire and added one of the many nails in the coffin of UConn athletics.
 
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PP was a 50/50 gamble from the outset. Everyone knew it. We could have gone for another up and comer or play it safe.

The young guy could have flamed put as so many assistants do in the big chair. The old guy was supposed to build but more importantly maintain the momentum of the first decade.

People were split. I wanted a guy like Tom Bradley, successful coordinator at a major program or an NFL assistant like Edsall was. Others liked the idea of a "proven" college head coach.

I think it's safe to assume we will never make the same retread mistake again.

The choice was based on a philosophy and it couldn't have played out any worse. Complete disaster doesn't even cover it.
 
SubbaBub said:
PP was a 50/50 gamble from the outset. Everyone knew it. We could have gone for another up and comer or play it safe.

The young guy could have flamed put as so many assistants do in the big chair. The old guy was supposed to build but more importantly maintain the momentum of the first decade.

People were split. I wanted a guy like Tom Bradley, successful coordinator at a major program or an NFL assistant like Edsall was. Others liked the idea of a "proven" college head coach.

I think it's safe to assume we will never make the same retread mistake again.

The choice was based on a philosophy and it couldn't have played out any worse. Complete disaster doesn't even cover it.
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I was with you on Bradley...I was hoping he was gonna get the job
 
whaler11 said:
But 2 years and 4 games is enough - and everyone knew after year 2 they were cooked?

Diaco wouldn't have taken the job a year earlier?

Warde had an out - he didn't hire him.
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I understand your points - I never liked the hire in the first place. But, while I can beat a dead horse with the best of them, I feel it is time to put the whole PP/JH era in the rear view mirror. Did it really matter in 2011 when the big damage was done? Syracuse was 22-50 from the Robinson era through the 2010 season. They got a life raft. Rutgers was 1 GAME OVER .500 during the entire Schiano period. They got a life raft. Edsall was 74-70 from 1999 through 2010. We get a millstone around our neck. PP was a very uninspiring 10-14 for 2 years, but did it matter at the time? Many may say that we could have jumped ahead of Louisville if we were much better under PP. I disagree - if the ACC was stupid enough to take Louisville in the first place, do you think they had the capability to ever see the error of their ways? I don't think so. If the ACC felt Louisville added more quality and long term success to the conference, then it is a conference that we shouldn't want to be a part of. BTW, I know it's second fiddle, but does anyone even want to argue about hoops?

Let's just make deal to get off the PP/JH issue - I like to forget those bastards anyways...
 
buddy said:
What is a real mistake vs an unreal mistake? So getting outmaneuvered by the Louisville AD was not a real mistake, but the holding on to a dreadful football coach was a real mistake? I always thought mistakes were mistakes. Real or imagined.
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By real I mean one that wasn't created on the Boneyard. Thanks for the best example.
 
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justinslot said:
Not to police your right to expression or anything, but a G tweet is unambiguously a non-key tweet.
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I was trying to see if I could get people over there to vote that's why it was put in both places.
 
Wait, you can't actually type "GSwaim" on this forum? That's awesome.

(If the above in quotes just says G I'm referring to the Dude of Minnesota.)

EDIT: Now he's filtered to GS. Where's the respect for the Internet's foremost non-key realignment expert???
 
whaler11 said:
By real I mean one that wasn't created on the Boneyard. Thanks for the best example.
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I also thank all of you for rehashing the same discussion of things that happened years ago, because it adds so much to the discussion of our path forward in CR. This dead horse hasn't just been beaten, it's a long since decayed corpse and you guys just keep pounding on it. PP is gone. Everything else is irrelevant. We cannot go back in time and un-hire him, or fire him earlier.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I also thank all of you for rehashing the same discussion of things that happened years ago, because it adds so much to the discussion of our path forward in CR. This dead horse hasn't just been beaten, it's a long since decayed corpse and you guys just keep pounding on it. PP is gone. Everything else is irrelevant. We cannot go back in time and un-hire him, or fire him earlier.
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Hey, UConn is a top research university. We can totally figure out how to do that.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I also thank all of you for rehashing the same discussion of things that happened years ago, because it adds so much to the discussion of our path forward in CR. This dead horse hasn't just been beaten, it's a long since decayed corpse and you guys just keep pounding on it. PP is gone. Everything else is irrelevant. We cannot go back in time and un-hire him, or fire him earlier.
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Under no circumstances can we beat PPGDL enough. We need to continue to thrash and beat until we are in a power conference. The cupboard is bare!
 
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IF?? Hey, the ACCDN is up and running and, I hear, already has hundreds of subscribers!!

The ACCN is the white whale of the ACC. It will never happen without another expansion with focus on markets, brand, and viewership potential (read: ND + UConn combo). And as we all know, if the ACCN is the white whale, ND is the teasing green and yellow whale that lures the white whale close only to eat that poor bastard.
 
Drew said:
SXM College Sports ‏@SiriusXMCollege Aug 12
Tommy Tuberville " I think we are going to see a major change in college football in the next 4 or 5 years"

take that FWIW. Tuberville has been saying these kinds of things since he's been at UC
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The changes in the last five years would be tough to top.

In 2010, the Big East existed and included three current ACC teams, a current Big Ten team, and a current Big 12 team. Meanwhile, the MWC included two current P5 teams, and the Big 12 included two current SEC teams, one current Big Ten team and one current Pac-12 team. Of course, now there's a playoff.
 
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