Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Patman]

so if u take BIG, SEC, B12, ACC+ND and PAC2 you get to 70. This sucks.

its not happening

There is no "alt proposal" that is going to work because it doesn't benefit the big 10 or sec. Its a day dream by the have-nots, WVU and Syracuse.

 

[Stinger92860]

This opens up a lot of anti trust issues with the G5 and others. Essentially, if they take private equity, the are going to be subject to anti-trust accusations.

I just don’t see the rest of college athletics willing to allow this kind of consolidation. Also, that also opens up the league as a for profit enterprise.

Just way too complicated.

The 70 schools, for the most part, represent the largest schools in a state. I doubt that senators or congressmen from those states will support anti-trust action Initiated by the DOJ. Yes, there may be other schools of consequence in these states but it won’t move the needle from a political perspective.

if we have a PAC offer we should take it Now.

 

[Sea Goat]

Fight fire with fire - round up the royalty in college BB and take over MM. There is big money to be made once we get the NCAA and its plantation control of MM out of the picture.

In the meantime, I hope Benedict is doing more than "monitoring" the situation...

 

[Chin Diesel]

Fight fire with fire - round up the royalty in college BB and take over MM. There is big money to be made once we get the NCAA and its plantation control of MM out of the picture.

In the meantime, I hope Benedict is doing more than "monitoring" the situation...

The problem is all the royalty outside of UConn is already in the P4.

Remember in the past 50-60 years, UConn and nova are the only two non-P2/3/4 schools to win basketball championships.

 

[Stinger92860]

Fight fire with fire - round up the royalty in college BB and take over MM. There is big money to be made once we get the NCAA and its plantation control of MM out of the picture.

In the meantime, I hope Benedict is doing more than "monitoring" the situation...

Those same 70 schools will join to take over the basketball tournaments also. This is a scenario many here were concerned about and why they felt it necessary to save football. There were detractors, mainly basketball focused yarders, who did not believe it could happen. This is a possible future.

 

[Chin Diesel]

The problem is all the royalty outside of UConn is already in the P4.

Remember in the past 50-60 years, UConn and nova are the only two non-P2/3/4 schools to win basketball championships.

For full disclosure I need to add UNLV in 1990, Gtown's win in 1984, and Marquette in 1977.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Those same 70 schools will join to take over the basketball tournaments also. This is a scenario many here were concerned about and why they felt it necessary to save football. There were detractors, mainly basketball focused yarders, who did not believe it could happen. This is a possible future.

Right. In one group you'll have UCLA, Kentucky, North Carolina, Duke, Kansas, Indiana, Mich St, Louisville, Indiana, and the rest of the P2/3/4.

In the competing tournament you'll have UConn, Villanova, and SDSU and maybe Gonzaga.

Tough call as to which tournament will get $$$$, eyeballs and press coverage.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Why would the SEC/B1G do this? It literally gives them nothing. They already print money. They control their own destiny. Why give away money to Private Equity?

They've already won. There's no need for them to change anything at all.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[noeynox]

The problem is all the royalty outside of UConn is already in the P4.

Remember in the past 50-60 years, UConn and nova are the only two non-P2/3/4 schools to win basketball championships.

UNLV

 

[noeynox]

For full disclosure I need to add UNLV in 1990, Gtown's win in 1984, and Marquette in 1977.

Didn’t see this my bad.

 

[noeynox]

Why would the SEC/B1G do this? It literaly gives them nothing. They already print money. They control their own destiny. Why give away money to Private Equity?

They've already won. There's no need for them to change anything at all.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

THIS is our best hope. Sankey has alluded to this already.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Fight fire with fire - round up the royalty in college BB and take over MM. There is big money to be made once we get the NCAA and its plantation control of MM out of the picture.

In the meantime, I hope Benedict is doing more than "monitoring" the situation...

Benedict is the opposite of monitoring.

He’s moved team for AAC to bjg east, tried big 12 3 times. Had convo with pac-2.

I mean, he's doing all he can .

 

[CL82]

I mean, he's doing all he can .

The knee-jerk defense of every failure:
"Well we did all we could."

How do we know that? Well, because something we wanted to happen didn't happen and claiming that you "did all you could" sounds better than "we were not successful."

I'm not saying Dave could've done more, I'm just saying a sad face with the quote "we did all we could" is the family crest of failure.

 

[UConnDan97]

The knee-jerk defense of every failure:
"Well we did all we could."

How do we know that? Well, because something we wanted to happen didn't happen and claiming that you "did all you could" sounds better than "we were not successful."

I'm not saying Dave could've done more, I'm just saying a sad face with the quote "we did all we could" is the family crest of failure.

Nah.

This may sound like reason and logic, but it's not. When people negotiate, they negotiate either from a position of weakness or a position of power. In most of these discussions, which one do you think Benedict is operating from??

In the one situation where he actually could say no (Pac12 football), he did. It's maybe worth it to find out more about why. But if you think that he could have done any better than getting Yormark and a few of the Big12 presidents on our side, then what else do you think he should have done do make it unanimous???

 

[noeynox]

The knee-jerk defense of every failure:
"Well we did all we could."

How do we know that? Well, because something we wanted to happen didn't happen and claiming that you "did all you could" sounds better than "we were not successful."

I'm not saying Dave could've done more, I'm just saying a sad face with the quote "we did all we could" is the family crest of failure.

I think you know how i feel about it. UConn should have long ago approached the ACC With Cal/Stanford type offer. Instead we got quotes of the we "we know our worth and don't want to be lowballed" variety. As soon as Clemson and FSU started chirping, they should have offered to take a reduced share. Should have been 1st in line. But at this point, it feels like whatever.

 

[UConnDan97]

I think you know how i feel about it. UConn should have long ago approached the ACC With Cal/Stanford type offer. Instead we got quotes of the we "we know our worth and don't want to be lowballed" variety. As soon as Clemson and FSU started chirping, they should have offered to take a reduced share. Should have been 1st in line. But at this point, it feels like whatever.

Follow along with me as it pertains to the ACC:

We're. Being. Blocked.

 

[John]

Didn’t see this my bad.

Syracuse, Louisville

 

[Ha Who]

I think you know how i feel about it. UConn should have long ago approached the ACC With Cal/Stanford type offer. Instead we got quotes of the we "we know our worth and don't want to be lowballed" variety. As soon as Clemson and FSU started chirping, they should have offered to take a reduced share. Should have been 1st in line. But at this point, it feels like whatever.

Can you join my poker game?

 

[huskymedic]

Devil is always in the details:



-> MW BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT: The conference basketball tournament will remain in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Note: The league was not considering moving the event outside of Las Vegas, though had explored moving the tournament out of the Thomas & Mack Center on UNLV’s campus. It has been reported that it will now remain at the Thomas & Mack, though all that is spelled out in the MOU is that it remain in Las Vegas).

OFFICES MOVING: Though it’s unclear why this would be included in an MOU of this nature, clause eight reads: “The conference will move its offices to Las Vegas, Nevada, as soon as practicable after the expiration of its existing office lease in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and such Conference offices shall remain in Las Vegas, Nevada, at least through the end of the Term of this MOU and the Grant of Rights Agreement.” The league’s headquarters have been in Colorado Springs since December 1998.

MOVING FORWARD: Notably, any MW member school invited to join the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 or SEC can leave without penalty. And the MOU can be modified only in writing and with both the league and 3/4 of the member schools. <-

 

[JohnFSilver]

The knee-jerk defense of every failure:
"Well we did all we could."

How do we know that? Well, because something we wanted to happen didn't happen and claiming that you "did all you could" sounds better than "we were not successful."

I'm not saying Dave could've done more, I'm just saying a sad face with the quote "we did all we could" is the family crest of failure.

That sounds like a Linkedin Post telling me to embrace failure.

There is nothing more that UConn can do. When you say, doing all he can, that means that the decision is not in your hands and you have pulled out all your leverage and there are no more cards to play.

Y’all act like UConn got out manuevered, something that is a self serving vignette from
Tom Jurich and Chris Conte.

They didn't do any more than Warde Manuel or Jeff Hathaway, they just created this mythology.

The fact is no one wants UConn. It is cultural, geographical, financial, political reasons.

All 4 don't work in UConn’s favor and there has yet to be a conference that satisfies all four of this ‘als.

 

[CL82]

That sounds like a Linkedin Post telling me to embrace failure.

There is nothing more that UConn can do. When you say, doing all he can, that means that the decision is not in your hands and you have pulled out all your leverage and there are no more cards to play.

Y’all act like UConn got out manuevered, something that is a self serving vignette from
Tom Jurich and Chris Conte.

They didn't do any more than Warde Manuel or Jeff Hathaway, they just created this mythology.

The fact is no one wants UConn. It is cultural, geographical, financial, political reasons.

All 4 don't work in UConn’s favor and there has yet to be a conference that satisfies all four of this ‘als.

Lol, sorry to have touched a nerve John. It wasn't a personal commentary on you and heck wasn't even a commentary on Benedict. It was a commentary on the use of the phrase "oh well, he did all he could" As a de facto excuse for failure.

Bottom line, you have no idea whether or not Benedict, or anyone else did "everything they could do" to advert failure. Suggesting to the contrary is just an example of the intuitive social phenomena toward consolation. I'm not being critical of it, I'm just pointing it out for what it is.

(PS do people actually post on your LinkedIn telling you to accept failure? )

 

[UConnDan97]

Lol, sorry to have touched a nerve John. It wasn't a personal commentary on you and heck wasn't even a commentary on Benedict. It was a commentary on the use of the phrase "oh well, he did all he could" As a de facto excuse for failure.

Bottom line, you have no idea whether or not Benedict, or anyone else did "everything they could do" to advert failure. Suggesting to the contrary is just an example of the intuitive social phenomena toward consolation. I'm not being critical of it, I'm just pointing it out for what it is.

(PS do people actually post on your LinkedIn telling you to accept failure? )

Linkedin has a bunch of these types of anecdotes that get pushed to your feed. "Strive through adversity" and all that...

 

[freescooter]

Syracuse, Louisville

They were in the Big East when they won and it was part of the BCS, forerunner of the P5. Plus they ended up in a P4 league now. You could even say that about our 2004 and 2011 titles. We were in a BCS league which was the equivalent of the P leagues today.

 

[UCFBfan]

Reminds me of when the AAC kept the old BE office up in RI until the lease ended. Laughed at the clam bakes at media week for football with all the Southern teams coming to New England

 

[huskymedic]

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