Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Drew]

 

[UConn Dan]

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One potential wild card option that one Pac 12 administrator believes would make sense to take a look at: UConn. The Big 12 has tried and failed multiple times now to get its membership on board with adding the school that has won the last two national championships in men's basketball. UConn doesn't make sense geographically and it feels unlikely it'd leave the Big East for this rebuilt version of the Pac-12, but that Pac-12 administrator sees value in at least exploring UConn as a possible addition.

"Who knows what they're going to do," that administrator said, "but they have a lot to offer, a lot to offer with an improving football program and obviously the best basketball program over the last 3-4 years in the country."

 

[Exit 4]

So the next conf that gets FSU will have to assume anything they sign is really just a daily contract...good until the day they decide its not good. Good luck with that FSU....the boomerang of unintended consequences looming large.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

In all candor I don't see how a court can rule in favor of FSU in a summary judgment.

FSU is basically saying "there really is no case, but as we are a state entity in the state where you are the legal branch, be a pal and rule in our favor".

 

[huskymedic]

In all candor I don't see how a court can rule in favor of FSU in a summary judgment.

FSU is basically saying "there really is no case, but as we are a state entity in the state where you are the legal branch, be a pal and rule in our favor".

They must need this for the next step… whatever strategy they have has to include a dismissal.

 

[Hoophound]

You can’t trust a Florida court these days. If the powers that be want something, they will usually get it. DeSantis is an FSU guy it seems. You never know.

 

[LetsGoUC]

where the hell does FSU think they are actually going to go lol

 

[Hoophound]

where the hell does FSU think they are actually going to go lol

I think FSU has a home in mind. It’s just a matter of the Big 10 not wanting to be part of destroying the ACC, especially by them showing that a grant of rights isn’t the ironclad tool people thought it was.

I don’t believe that neither the Big Ten or the SEC want FSU. It’s a huge brand in a constantly growing state full of good football players. I don’t see the Big Ten in particular, passing on getting into Florida. That’s pretty dangerous, especially since they are already ceded Texas to the SEC.

 

[Sea Goat]

where the hell does FSU think they are actually going to go lol

FSU will end up in a P-2 conference. But, everything is being done in the shadows or with a wink and a nod...
The P-2 doesn't want to become a defendant...

But, the litigation makes it clear that the term "P-4" is really a misnomer. The "P-4" is actually comprised of the P-2A (SEC and BIG) and then a less powerful and attractive P-2B (ACC and Big 12). You figure FSU and Clemson are likely to land in the P-2A along with ND. (Yes - ND will have to give up their treasured independence.) So after the dust settles maybe the P-2 will have a couple more spots for 2-3 of top end state universities. Then what do you do with the rest?

Why can't the schools/conferences takeover BB and specifically MM? Big money can be made and it would have to include other non-
P-2 schools. UConn definitely gets a seat at that table, but I can see a number of P-2B (ACC and Big 12) schools getting left out because they bring nothing to the table. Consider that maybe BB doesn't "move the needle" much currently because it hasn't monetized to favor the schools who perform! BB (and MM) is being used to fund the NCAA operations. Why? CFP is designed the pay the actual participants a ton money, much to the chagrin of the NCAA. Why can't BB be run the same way?

 

[UConnDan97]

So the next conf that gets FSU will have to assume anything they sign is really just a daily contract...good until the day they decide its not good. Good luck with that FSU....the boomerang of unintended consequences looming large.

Honestly, this statement is true for any university. It's probably been true since Miami and Virginia Tech left the Big East over 20 years ago...

(remember when exit fees were only 1 million dollars??? Good times...)

 

[MilliniumPrince]

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One potential wild card option that one Pac 12 administrator believes would make sense to take a look at: UConn. The Big 12 has tried and failed multiple times now to get its membership on board with adding the school that has won the last two national championships in men's basketball. UConn doesn't make sense geographically and it feels unlikely it'd leave the Big East for this rebuilt version of the Pac-12, but that Pac-12 administrator sees value in at least exploring UConn as a possible addition.

"Who knows what they're going to do," that administrator said, "but they have a lot to offer, a lot to offer with an improving football program and obviously the best basketball program over the last 3-4 years in the country."

As a football only, I can see this being viable. Not optimal, but viable.

 

[UConn Dan]

As a football only, I can see this being viable. Not optimal, but viable.

If they start going east and get let's say Memphis (and South Florida even), then I agree, not optimal but football only could work until the ACC implodes or the Big 12 finally comes calling again.

I don't think we make any decision until next summer when we know more about the FSU/Clemson ACC divorce and the Big 12 finally gives a final verdict.

In this football only scenario, I would think the PAC-12 goes to 9 full-time members and us a 10th football only member and agree to play 2 bball games a year (home and away). Maybe even Gonzanga would the the 10th full (ex football member).

 

[UConnDan97]

If they start going east and get let's say Memphis (and South Florida even), then I agree, not optimal but football only could work until the ACC implodes or the Big 12 finally comes calling again.

I don't think we make any decision until next summer when we know more about the FSU/Clemson ACC divorce and the Big 12 finally gives a final verdict.

In this football only scenario, I would think the PAC-12 goes to 9 full-time members and us a 10th football only member and agree to play 2 bball games a year (home and away). Maybe even Gonzanga would the the 10th full (ex football member).

The Gonzaga point is a great one. For any western conference that is looking to add Gonzaga olympic sports but is afraid because they don't have FBS football, we can be their football-only fill in, albeit possibly a temporary one depending on the future of the Big12, etc. But for the Pac12, this is a reasonable solution to a rapid crisis...

 

[Exit 4]

Honestly, this statement is true for any university. It's probably been true since Miami and Virginia Tech left the Big East over 20 years ago...

(remember when exit fees were only 1 million dollars??? Good times...)

I think you are missing the legal argument here presented by FSU which is that they aren’t beholden to contracts because they are a state body.

 

[UConnDan97]

I think you are missing the legal argument here presented by FSU which is that they aren’t beholden to contracts because they are a state body.

I'm not missing anything. The GOR, as I understand it, was created as an attempt to stop the constant breaking of contracts by university ADs.

If that does not hold, then there is no tool that can hold a university to a conference. I'd argue that there shouldn't be such a tool anyways, but then again, I'd argue against a lot of what the NCAA has done in the name of football realignment...

 

[Exit 4]

I'm not missing anything. The GOR, as I understand it, was created as an attempt to stop the constant breaking of contracts by university ADs.

If that does not hold, then there is no tool that can hold a university to a conference. I'd argue that there shouldn't be such a tool anyways, but then again, I'd argue against a lot of what the NCAA has done in the name of football realignment...

But if FSU wins their case in these grounds- it presents the notion that the state of FL never has to honor any contracts of any kind. That means they can break a three year contract to provide cheddar cheese to public schools in Orlando or whatever. In college football it means apple, fox, nbc, espn, amazon, whatever should have no faith in their next deal. Yikes.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

If they start going east and get let's say Memphis (and South Florida even), then I agree, not optimal but football only could work until the ACC implodes or the Big 12 finally comes calling again.

I don't think we make any decision until next summer when we know more about the FSU/Clemson ACC divorce and the Big 12 finally gives a final verdict.

In this football only scenario, I would think the PAC-12 goes to 9 full-time members and us a 10th football only member and agree to play 2 bball games a year (home and away). Maybe even Gonzanga would the the 10th full (ex football member).

The rumor I read says Memphis and Tulane may be targets.

 

[buddy]

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One potential wild card option that one Pac 12 administrator believes would make sense to take a look at: UConn. The Big 12 has tried and failed multiple times now to get its membership on board with adding the school that has won the last two national championships in men's basketball. UConn doesn't make sense geographically and it feels unlikely it'd leave the Big East for this rebuilt version of the Pac-12, but that Pac-12 administrator sees value in at least exploring UConn as a possible addition.

"Who knows what they're going to do," that administrator said, "but they have a lot to offer, a lot to offer with an improving football program and obviously the best basketball program over the last 3-4 years in the country."

And thery will have our administrators fly out west to make another presentation and they say no thanks.

 

[CL82]

And thery will have our administrators fly out west to make another presentation and they say no thanks.

 

[JohnFSilver]

In all candor I don't see how a court can rule in favor of FSU in a summary judgment.

FSU is basically saying "there really is no case, but as we are a state entity in the state where you are the legal branch, be a pal and rule in our favor".

Well sovereign immunity is a powerful argument. It is essentially, I can do what I want.

 

[Travelman6]

As a football only, I can see this being viable. Not optimal, but viable.

Come on, fball has been historically bad. You get that offer you count your blessings and take it without a second thought. Short of the b10 calling or maybe possibly the b12 finally coming to their senses you aren't doing better. Both are unlikely and the pac-6 or 12 or whatever throwing a life raft to uconn fball only is more than they deserve. Your scenario is great cause it comes with the Added bonus of keeping bball in the BE and a chance to improve fball with some solid fball conference mates.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Well sovereign immunity is a powerful argument. It is essentially, I can do what I want.

Yeah, but from time to time you'll see a state settle with someone who filed a grievance against them (due to state troopers/state administration/whatever abusing/misusing their authority) because basically they realize they should provide settlement.

They've always had sovereign immunity as a free pass but rarely use it due to the reality that just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.

If the Florida courts use this for FSU it could have serious repercussions, many of which could end up hurting the state of Florida in the long run.

 

[Stinger92860]

But if FSU wins their case in these grounds- it presents the notion that the state of FL never has to honor any contracts of any kind. That means they can break a three year contract to provide cheddar cheese to public schools in Orlando or whatever. In college football it means apple, fox, nbc, espn, amazon, whatever should have no faith in their next deal. Yikes.

1 year deals for everyone!! Sound famiiar?

 

[MilliniumPrince]

Come on, fball has been historically bad. You get that offer you count your blessings and take it without a second thought. Short of the b10 calling or maybe possibly the b12 finally coming to their senses you aren't doing better. Both are unlikely and the pac-6 or 12 or whatever throwing a life raft to uconn fball only is more than they deserve. Your scenario is great cause it comes with the Added bonus of keeping bball in the BE and a chance to improve fball with some solid fball conference mates.

.....you do realize I agree with you (except the historically bad part).

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Come on, fball has been historically bad. You get that offer you count your blessings and take it without a second thought. Short of the b10 calling or maybe possibly the b12 finally coming to their senses you aren't doing better. Both are unlikely and the pac-6 or 12 or whatever throwing a life raft to uconn fball only is more than they deserve. Your scenario is great cause it comes with the Added bonus of keeping bball in the BE and a chance to improve fball with some solid fball conference mates.

It’s the worst possible geographical conference possible which is a red flag.
Even as a football only and charters which are necessary to get to some of these places travel will be huge for an all sport costs and travel will be crazy .
The MW makes $4,000,000 a team
To entice the top AAC schools who are making in excess of $10,000,000 a year to be in for all sports is going to require a bunch of money
I like OSU and WSU but the PAC less USC and UCLA was worth $31,000,000 , and two of the bottom schools are left , how exactly do they get to a number that’s workable.