Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[FfldCntyFan]

Whether he should or should not have been informed in advance is open for debate (being informed is far different from being consulted). One fact is that RE didn't have sufficient imagination to see any positives for football by going independent and he was unable to project much of a positive outlook when trying to promote the program.

 

[pj]

I know that, and you know that. But the rest of the country does not read "University of Buffalo" and think it is the flagship university of the 4th largest state in the country similar to University of Texas, University of Floriday, Penn State, or Ohio State.

Doesn't New York have like four flagships? (Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton, maybe Albany too?)

 

[WestHartHusk]

UConn region is a major negative. It isn’t just location, football prowess, it is people don’t want to associate with a New England Public, no matter how good the academics get.

It’s cultural.

Keep up…the ACC just invited Cal and Stanford.

 

[upstater]

I know that, and you know that. But the rest of the country does not read "University of Buffalo" and think it is the flagship university of the 4th largest state in the country similar to University of Texas, University of Floriday, Penn State, or Ohio State.

I do know that, but awareness of universities nationally is largely due to sports. I doubt most people are aware whether these state schools are strong academically, outside of Virginia, Michigan and Cal-Berkeley.

UB occupies that same space as some of the Cals which don't play bigtime sports, but are top public universities just the same. They are the same age as well, 1950s.

 

[upstater]

Doesn't New York have like four flagships? (Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton, maybe Albany too?)

Those are the 4 universities of the state system.

Of these, Buffalo is the flagship.

 

[Mora4Prez]

We didn't stop caring about football for a decade but rather we hired 3 crappy/progressively worse coaches in a row.

Is that not the same thing? They could’ve easily went out and paid more money for better coaches. But they were lazy and cheap and the results speak for themselves. I’m sorry but this is mostly our own doing.

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. You can be bad at sports but you can’t be a national joke. And that’s what UConn football was for almost a decade. And that’s why SMU - which isn’t what we’d call a powerhouse - now has a P4 home and we don’t.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Is that not the same thing? They could’ve easily went out and paid more money for better coaches. But they were lazy and cheap and the results speak for themselves. I’m sorry but this is mostly our own doing.

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. You can be bad at sports but you can’t be a national joke. And that’s what UConn football was for almost a decade. And that’s why SMU - which isn’t what we’d call a powerhouse - now has a P4 home and we don’t.

So you're saying we could've convinced a $5m a year head coach to come to coach UConn football? I don't think so.

SMU got into the ACC because of their location/market, not their coaches or on field performance over the past 10 years.

 

[noeynox]

So you're saying we could've convinced a $5m a year head coach to come to coach UConn football? I don't think so.

SMU got into the ACC because of their location/market, not their coaches or on field performance over the past 10 years.

Edsall on his contract was the worst of all worlds. Not cheap compared to much better MAC coaches like Leipold at Buffalo at the time, and those stupid incentives made us a weekly punchline. Its about finding the 3 million dollar year coach before he commands that type of money. We sucked at it.

 

[Mora4Prez]

So you're saying we could've convinced a $5m a year head coach to come to coach UConn football? I don't think so.

SMU got into the ACC because of their location/market, not their coaches or on field performance over the past 10 years.

Idk but here’s a list of our old conference mates who have managed to make it work on the same exact TV payout

• SMU
• UCF
• Cincinnati
• Houston
• Tulane

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Edsall on his contract was the worst of all worlds. Not cheap compared to much better MAC coaches like Leipold at Buffalo at the time, and those stupid incentives made us a weekly punchline. Its about finding the 3 million dollar year coach before he commands that type of money. We sucked at it.

Correct - we made 3 bad hires in a row (an old and busted PP, a whacko BD, and a quiet quitter RE2).

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Idk but here’s a list of our old conference mates who have managed to make it work on the same exact TV payout

• SMU
• UCF
• Cincinnati
• Houston
• Tulane

Yup, programs with better coaches as compared to our poor ones before Mora came on board and in bigger markets/better recruiting areas. We're going to have to punch above our weight class like we did with RE1 and I think Mora can do that.

 

[Kolumbo]

I do know that, but awareness of universities nationally is largely due to sports. I doubt most people are aware whether these state schools are strong academically, outside of Virginia, Michigan and Cal-Berkeley.

UB occupies that same space as some of the Cals which don't play bigtime sports, but are top public universities just the same. They are the same age as well, 1950s.

California has Cal Berkeley & UCLA which are well known for academics and athletics. The rest of the California system is probably also very well known. NY has Buffalo and Stone Brook which are the flagships but not known for athletics at all.

 

[Jae-VT]

Cal has a lot of connections and the opportunity to rub elbows with Cal's academic side makes other university presidents, you know the folks making these decisions, pitch a tent.

Virginia Tech Alumni here. It was reported on VT message boards that President Sands, who attended Cal-Berkeley, voted for expansion over the recommendation from the Athletic Department to vote “No To Expansion”.

 

[UCFBfan]

Keep up…the ACC just invited Cal and Stanford.

Don't think he was referring to the ACC where I feel there are more universities that can align with the West coast liberal views. I think he meant more the Big 12 and their current realignment.

 

[Sole]

The big 12 is just a bad fit Geographically and culturally for us.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yeah. Essentially, the schools don’t own their rights. They gave possession of them away.

I am sure there is a way to get out of it. But it gonna be costly.

You can't unsell something that you already sold. Can you sell a house, and then see that the market for the house went up, and unsell the house and sell it again?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I am not happy that UConn was not included in the ACC expansion, but I do not think this expansion was a bad idea for the ACC. There is some serious dead weight in the ACC, but Cal, Stanford and even SMU are not going to be its biggest problems.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The big 12 is just a bad fit Geographically and culturally for us.

Unless it brings us and some other former BE teams in together.

 

[pj]

Idk but here’s a list of our old conference mates who have managed to make it work on the same exact TV payout

• SMU
• UCF
• Cincinnati
• Houston
• Tulane

We're able to pay a $5M/year basketball coach, we could pay a $5M/year football coach too if there was a will to do it (and a will by backers to fund it).

 

[Mora4Prez]

We're able to pay a $5M/year basketball coach, we could pay a $5M/year football coach too if there was a will to do it (and a will by backers to fund it).

We pay our WOMENS basketball coach comparable to what we pay Mora. You can say what you want about our success with Geno but I promise that’s the type of thing that shows the admins at TCU, Clemson, FSU, etc. that we truly do not care about what matters most to them. Another reason we’re never getting in and need to look at other options til 2036.

 

[Sole]

The acc Adding these three schools makes no sense to me… they had a pretty good geography fit..now they don’t…uconn would have been the best school for them to add… there must be some kind of problem with some of the schools in the acc and uconn

 

[Husky68]

The acc Adding these three schools makes no sense to me… they had a pretty good geography fit..now they don’t…uconn would have been the best school for them to add… there must be some kind of problem with some of the schools in the acc and uconn

You think!

 

[upstater]

California has Cal Berkeley & UCLA which are well known for academics and athletics. The rest of the California system is probably also very well known. NY has Buffalo and Stone Brook which are the flagships but not known for athletics at all.

Believe or not, Binghamton is 10x the school Stony Brook is. I would send my kids to Geneseo or Purchase even, Albany too before Stony Brook. SB is excellent for business and finance. But liberal arts, humanities and sciences leave a lot to be desired compared to several other SUNYs.

Some of those Cals are excellent schools, esp. San Diego, Irvine and Davis. They have excellent reputations. Santa Cruz and Santa Barbara are pretty good too.

 

[businesslawyer]

I thought you were a lawyer.

Just walking out is not how contracts work, unless the leadership of FSU wants to personally be liable for the violations of the agreement and also risk jail time.

Please explain how an institution breaching a contract gets officers of the institution jail time. I’ll have to immediately advise all my clients.

 

[businesslawyer]

Not only cheaper, but this move likely makes it more legally plausible.

I'm not a lawyer so perhaps you can add more, but wouldn't this move give them the cover to say the league made moves against the best interest of the group and therefore the GOR should be nullified...or something to that effect?

No. You have the terms of the contract and then the much more limited implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing, which is nowhere near implicated by expansion.