Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[CL82]

We're able to pay a $5M/year basketball coach, we could pay a $5M/year football coach too if there was a will to do it (and a will by backers to fund it).

I guess, of course by the same logic Tom could fund the building of an on-campus stadium and name it the-boneyard.com stadium, if he could find backers to fund it.

 

[CL82]

We pay our WOMENS basketball coach comparable to what we pay Mora. You can say what you want about our success with Geno but I promise that’s the type of thing that shows the admins at TCU, Clemson, FSU, etc. that we truly do not care about what matters most to them. Another reason we’re never getting in and need to look at other options til 2036.

Personally, I find your thoughts on this very insightful. You should email our athletic Director to let him have the benefits of your wisdom.

 

[pj]

I guess, of course by the same logic Tom could fund the building of an on-campus stadium and name it the-boneyard.com stadium, if he could find backers to fund it.

It would be shame if it became SyracuseFans.com stadium.

 

[CL82]

It would be shame if it became SyracuseFans.com stadium.

Hey if Tom foots the bill it's his call and I will gladly take my weekend pictures of me next to the name flipping it off.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

We're able to pay a $5M/year basketball coach, we could pay a $5M/year football coach too if there was a will to do it (and a will by backers to fund it).

The problem is the true $5m FB coaches won't come to us for the job, so you would pay a coach that's worth $2-3m the full $5m???

 

[WestCoastHusky]

The problem is the true $5m FB coaches won't come to us for the job, so you would pay a coach that's worth $2-3m the full $5m???

We do need to keep Mora long-term here. The UCONN administration needs to do whatever is within its power to keep someone like him here.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

We do need to keep Mora long-term here. The UCONN administration needs to do whatever is within its power to keep someone like him here.

Agreed - he is and I think will be worth his weight in gold here. If he stays long enough to get us back into the top 30-40 range you have to double/triple his pay and we'd be able to if we keep filling up the stadium. If we increase 15k fannies more per game at 6 games per year with an average ticket price of $15 that is $1.3m in incremental revenue just on ticket prices alone (to say nothing about improved merch sales, donation increases, etc).

 

[ZooCougar]

Could you please provide a detailed description (including steps involved) in unselling something.

It's like he watched Succession and he bases his entire understanding of business on it.

 

[JohnFSilver]

ESPN pulled all of the strings to make this happen IMO.

The move was orchestrated by ESPN to finish off the PAC and devalue them to G5 status, it also puts a band aid on ESPN's ACC problem by funneling more money to the top ACC teams. No doubt in my mind that the B12 would have offered Cal/ Stanford if ESPN financed it for them but clearly ESPN did not because they wanted the money to go to the ACC.

The vaunted San Francisco college football market? The deal makes no sense for tv. This is ACC presidents thinking Stanford and Cal are more important then they are.

All those presidents want to work at Stanford and Cal.

 

[uconndogs]

Could you please provide a detailed description (including steps involved) in unselling something.

lol……my initial thought exactly!

 

[kemba]

We pay our WOMENS basketball coach comparable to what we pay Mora. You can say what you want about our success with Geno but I promise that’s the type of thing that shows the admins at TCU, Clemson, FSU, etc. that we truly do not care about what matters most to them. Another reason we’re never getting in and need to look at other options til 2036.

We pay elite money to our coaches in basketball because we have elite coaches. That level coach is not coming here for football regardless of salary. This comparison doesn’t matter.

 

[uconnyankee]

They are taking plenty of payments, at least if not more than they would have in the AAC and more than we are getting. Aside from all the monetary benefits of them being in the ACC instead of AAC, having better opponents, better P5 association, and better educational institutions. Not sure how that equates to buying a seat.

Cal and Stanford came in at 30%. SMU came in for free. There is most certainly a price they are paying that the soft costs you imply wont cover. These three schools have deep pockets to pay so it works for them.

Not many other schools could make this deal.

 

[Dizzy21]

Cal and Stanford came in at 30%. SMU came in for free. There is most certainly a price they are paying that the soft costs you imply wont cover. These three schools have deep pockets to pay so it works for them.

Not many other schools could make this deal.

SMU did not come in for free. Between other conference payouts, they will be making at least, if not more than the AAC total payout. Add in increased attendance and exposure from playing more high profile teams and they will be making even more than that. Moving to the ACC is a net financial gain for SMU.

 

[UConnJim]

SMU did not come in for free. Between other conference payouts, they will be making at least, if not more than the AAC total payout. Add in increased attendance and exposure from playing more high profile teams and they will be making even more than that. Moving to the ACC is a net financial gain for SMU.

Debateable. With the increased travel expenses being in the ACC and the dilution the three new members bring to the league, I would guess for SMU it is a wash at best. Maybe they get higher ticket sales, but SMU had only 21k for their football game yesterday after getting an ACC invite. For example, the three new members won't add to NCAA basketball tournament credits, it's unclear if adding 3 members enhances the ACC CFP payout, and with the Charter standoff with ESPN, it's questionable if SMU, Cal, and Stanford will get full price for the ACCN in their markets.

 

[buddy]

The vaunted San Francisco college football market? The deal makes no sense for tv. This is ACC presidents thinking Stanford and Cal are more important then they are.

All those presidents want to work at Stanford and Cal.

Turns out some the ACC Presidents are alumni of Stanford and Cal, thus the push for them!

 

[DarthGrumpy]

Believe or not, Binghamton is 10x the school Stony Brook is. I would send my kids to Geneseo or Purchase even, Albany too before Stony Brook. SB is excellent for business and finance. But liberal arts, humanities and sciences leave a lot to be desired compared to several other SUNYs.

Some of those Cals are excellent schools, esp. San Diego, Irvine and Davis. They have excellent reputations. Santa Cruz and Santa Barbara are pretty good too.

Agree, Stony Brook suffers from the UMass syndrom. A decent school in a region where everyone crosses the nearest available bridge to go to one of the surrounding private schools. Buffalo is strong in hard sciences and bio (and the only school I did not get into, though I got into UConn, UMaine, UDelaware, and Syracuse). Albany is know for business and I know several alumni who have done well in banking world in NYC after. Binghamton is still in liberal arts and sciences. On the smaller side, I don't know much about Purchase, but Geneseo has a rep as the more affordable version of the 'little Ivy's' while Cortland is the DIII jock school (going to the Ithaca v Cortland annual football game is a fun, sloppy mess). Out in California, in addtion to the big brands in Cal and and UCLA, UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara, UC Irvine and UC Davis are all top 50 US News schools.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Could you please provide a detailed description (including steps involved) in unselling something.

Reversing a GOR is effectively unselling something that has already been sold. Since it can't be done, I don't have to provide anything.

 

[Dizzy21]

Debateable. With the increased travel expenses being in the ACC and the dilution the three new members bring to the league, I would guess for SMU it is a wash at best. Maybe they get higher ticket sales, but SMU had only 21k for their football game yesterday after getting an ACC invite. For example, the three new members won't add to NCAA basketball tournament credits, it's unclear if adding 3 members enhances the ACC CFP payout, and with the Charter standoff with ESPN, it's questionable if SMU, Cal, and Stanford will get full price for the ACCN in their markets.

My point is that everyone is saying they came for free, which they didn't. They aren't taking some huge pay cut that needs to be funded by boosters. Also, they played Louisiana Tech in the opener and their home slate this year Prairie View, Tulsa, Charlotte, North Texas, and Navy. Having Clemson, Miami, FSU, North Carolina, etc to replace most of those is going to sell tickets in a city that loves football, regardless of if they are SMU fans or not. And I suspect that basketball tickets sales go through the roof through as it is a bunch of well known brands, rather than someone like Florida Atlantic.

 

[superjohn]

What is your definition of getting a seat? On their field it will say ACC. Whether they get money for 9 years or not, they are part of that conference. So yes, they got a seat.

They got a seat in a conference that won't exist when they are finally supposed to be getting paid.

 

[superjohn]

My point is that everyone is saying they came for free, which they didn't. They aren't taking some huge pay cut that needs to be funded by boosters. Also, they played Louisiana Tech in the opener and their home slate this year Prairie View, Tulsa, Charlotte, North Texas, and Navy. Having Clemson, Miami, FSU, North Carolina, etc to replace most of those is going to sell tickets in a city that loves football, regardless of if they are SMU fans or not. And I suspect that basketball tickets sales go through the roof through as it is a bunch of well known brands, rather than someone like Florida Atlantic.

Florida Atlantic was better than everyone in the ACC last year.

 

[Dizzy21]

Florida Atlantic was better than everyone in the ACC last year.

This may be the most delusional statement ever posted on the Boneyard and that says a lot. The 5 win Florida Atlantic team who played a bunch of crappy teams and lost was better than everyone in the ACC?

Aside from the absurdity of your statement, it's not about who is better, it is about who puts people in the seats. Pretty sure a bad FSU team, who were 10-3 and ranked 11th in the country last year, in is going to sell more tix in Dallas than Florida Atlantic, even if they were good like you insanely claim.

 

[uconnbaseball]

This may be the most delusional statement ever posted on the Boneyard and that says a lot. The 5 win Florida Atlantic team who played a bunch of crappy teams and lost was better than everyone in the ACC?

Aside from the absurdity of your statement, it's not about who is better, it is about who puts people in the seats. Pretty sure a bad FSU team, who were 10-3 and ranked 11th in the country last year, in is going to sell more tix in Dallas than Florida Atlantic, even if they were good like you insanely claim.

Think they meant basketball…

 

[Dizzy21]

Think they meant basketball…

Could be and good point. Miami was probably better and ranked higher, but it wasn't even about who was good or not, it was who will sell more tix. In basketball especially, a crappy Duke/UNC/Miami etc is going to sell a lot more tickets than FAU any year.

 

[upstater]

I'm no expert on the SUNY system but Stony Brook shares the designation of flagship and is AAU. Much better bang for the buck than South Canada SU. I guess my original point about SUNY is that the northeast schools were designed to be regional. If the 4 main SUNY schools were 1, it would have a $1 billion plus endowment with 95k students. Just Buffalo and Stony Brook combined would be greater than $1 billion and 60k students. That's B1G.

A Joint Statement from The University at Buffalo and Stony Brook University On Being Designated as New York State’s Flagship Public Universities - SBU News

January 5, 2022--Today Governor Kathy Hochul announced the formal designation of The University at Buffalo (UB) and Stony Brook University (SBU) as New York State’s flagship universities. The official recognition of these premier centers of higher education as joint flagships of the State...

news.stonybrook.edu

All the University of California's are AAU except for Merced and San Fran. Riverside was just admitted this year.

"Eight of UC's ten campuses (Berkeley, UC Davis, UCI, UCLA, UC Riverside, UCSD, UC Santa Barbara, and UC Santa Cruz) are members of the Association of American Universities (AAU)"

LOL, I didn't even know this and I'm supposed to. Think Stony Brook got bent out of shape when Buffalo got designated the flagship. Anyway, Binghamton has much better departments and programs. We use all 3 schools as benchmarks and there's no comparison between SB and the other 2. The flagship status for UB came with an additional $300m in funding which SB didn't get. I didn't even know it was announced as a flagship. Unfortunately, I have to get involved in assessments every couple of years, which is a horrendous exercise for anyone involved in Higher Ed. This is where I draw my information.

 

[superjohn]

This may be the most delusional statement ever posted on the Boneyard and that says a lot. The 5 win Florida Atlantic team who played a bunch of crappy teams and lost was better than everyone in the ACC?

Aside from the absurdity of your statement, it's not about who is better, it is about who puts people in the seats. Pretty sure a bad FSU team, who were 10-3 and ranked 11th in the country last year, in is going to sell more tix in Dallas than Florida Atlantic, even if they were good like you insanely claim.

The Florida Atlantic team that went 35-4, went to the final 4, and will be preseason top 10 this coming season. They were better than every team in the ACC.