Disagree. At the time it was taken, there was an argument that, over an extended period of time, it was the second (to PSU) best football program in the Northeast and the best basketball program in the Northeast. Regardless of whether Syracuse “owns” a material TV market, it was a perfectly rational move to extend the ACC’s brand north from Maryland.
A friend's son starts at Oregon next month. Total in-state cost $40,000. Imagine it's similar for Oregon State. Wazzou sounds like a bargain.
In today's WSJ
That sounds like out of state tuition.
Virginia also has crazy in-state tuition, probably around $40,000 depending on your major. Double what it is at UNC. All depends on how well the state funds it's institutions.
Where are you guys seeing these tuition numbers? I don't think any large state school is charging $40k, nevermind $20k, for in-state tuition.
That's not what is going on.
I disagree. Syracuse basketball was clearly the #1 or #2 program in the Northeast at the time, but it was pretty clear that Syracuse football was in a LT decline. In the 5 seasons before they got an ACC invite, they were 21-40 overall and 8-27 in the Big East.
The pension liability is one thing that UConn could rightly complain about. But... every school is liable to pay for raises. Dont understand why that would need to be pointed out as an increased expense. I mean, Hurley got a raise; the state isn't paying for that.
I don't think this is correct. The rumors are that the biggest opposition to adding Stanford and Cal is coming from the football schools for a variety of reasons.
I see the opposite going on.
You really don't get college football do you?
The prospect of students going into debt that will triple over the life of their loans to pay for what's happened is truly an ethical question. And administrators just saying, Yep, the students will pay for all this!! Well, that's something too.
Explain what there is to get.
Just Tuition or Tuition, fees and room and board. Because that's the number that matters. UConn is almost $35k. 2023-2024 Direct Costs and Cost of Attendance | Office of Student Financial Aid Services
You talked about schools from lower population states, KU, K-State, Iowa-State, WVU, but all of those schools support the programs. They have lots of fans. State population doesn't matter. K-State and WVU in particular have a passionate fanbase that shows up. Iowa State too, and KU if they start winning again (which they are). Meanwhile, a high population state like NY has almost no support for college football at all.
I understand the argument you're making biz, but I disagree with it. That was never about "expansion" so much as "consolidation." The principal value wasn't bringing in the coveted upstate New York market, it was absolutely part of a plant gut the Big East. The "value" from ESPN's perspective, since it already owned the rights to Syracuse games in the big east, was "consolidation". It was a concerted effort to take teams from the big east to "relegate" so that it was no longer entitled to a BCS level payment from them. I understand the argument you're making biz, but I disagree with it. That was never about "expansion" so much as consolidation. Consider have the original plan was to bring in Syracuse and Connecticut, which would be consistent with the notion that this was an attempt for landgrab in the New York metro area, but when BC you petulantly decided it "wanted to be the New England school" the conference and ESPN, who the BC AD admitted it was running the show, pivoted to Pittsburgh without blinking an eye. I think about whether that is more consistent with an attempt to own the New York metro area, or an attempt to gut the Big East. It didn't matter which school was taken, as long as it depleted the big east conference's inventory of schools.
It's simply a choice. I know many exceptional people who got their degrees from CCSU.
