Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[Ha Who]

And who was the second closest power five program to New York City?

(Damn you Rutty)

Is it BC? 209 miles

 

[CL82]

Is it BC? 209 miles

Well it should be us. We were actually pretty decent when Rutty was chosen:

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[bobbyinaz]

No...I was responding to the post saying that the ACC was stupid in not attempting to corner the NYC market with a UConn/Rutgers add..

I responded that ESPN was the media owner of ACC properties and that I thought that ESPN college football watching markets played in...on the choice for expansion.

NYC may be more important to the Big Ten...certainly for in-market carriage for the BET.

I do admit my often stated bias (shared by many ACC fans)...that the move into the northeast with BC and Cuse was a mistake. A mistake that carries on for decades.

Expansion into the Northeast, the most populated part of the country was not a mistake.

The schools ESPN/ACC chose were the mistake

 

[dayooper]

No...I was responding to the post saying that the ACC was stupid in not attempting to corner the NYC market with a UConn/Rutgers add..

I responded that ESPN was the media owner of ACC properties and that I thought that ESPN college football watching markets played in...on the choice for expansion.

NYC may be more important to the Big Ten...certainly for in-market carriage for the BET.

I do admit my often stated bias (shared by many ACC fans)...that the move into the northeast with BC and Cuse was a mistake. A mistake that carries on for decades.

I don’t recall saying the ACC wasn’t smart in not taking a piece of NYC. I was merely saying that the data you provided wasn’t really saying anything about the NYC market. Most of the top 10 ESPN markets that were listed were in traditional ACC/SEC states (Columbus excluded) and that the addition of NYC/Rutgers was a great opportunity for Big10 teams to promote their brand.

 

[RioDog]

Be something if he muddies the move for UCLA and the B1G takes another PAC school instead. And UCLA ends up SOL.

That would be fun to watch.

 

[billybud]

Regionalism is still, I think, of reasonable importance.

The conference that was born of the Southern Conference and covered a footprint in 2004 of Maryland and to the south....Mid

I don’t recall saying the ACC wasn’t smart in not taking a piece of NYC. I was merely saying that the data you provided wasn’t really saying anything about the NYC market. Most of the top 10 ESPN markets that were listed were in traditional ACC/SEC states (Columbus excluded) and that the addition of NYC/Rutgers was a great opportunity for Big10 teams to promote their brand.

Sorry...responding to bobbyInaz's post...

How stupid was the ACC, when they passed on adding UConn & Rutgers, who combined with Cuse would've given the conference a stranglehold on NYC and caused the ACC Network to start much sooner?

 

[billybud]

I keep mixing posts...I do apologize...old age....

 

[billybud]

Who knows what the Mouse was thinking ? I'd be surprised if the bean counters did not have a say...and got it wrong..

 

[bobbyinaz]

Who knows what the Mouse was thinking ? I'd be surprised if the bean counters did not have a say...and got it wrong..

Sorry...responding to bobbyInaz's post...

How stupid was the ACC, when they passed on adding UConn & Rutgers, who combined with Cuse would've given the conference a stranglehold on NYC and caused the ACC Network to start much sooner?

So, after all of the back & worth your end to the argument is that maybe ESPN got it wrong?

That was my whole point from the beginning, they did get it wrong.

 

[dayooper]

Regionalism is still, I think, of reasonable importance.

The conference that was born of the Southern Conference and covered a footprint in 2004 of Maryland and to the south....Mid

Regionalism is fine. That’s important to many schools and from my observations, more important to the southern states than the Midwest. What’s good for the Big10 might be different for the SEC. You have to be who you are.

By same token, are the elite academic schools of the SEC being held back by the same regionalism? Could Florida, Georgia and Kentucky be missing out on better applicants by playing a regional schedule? I honestly don’t know the answer. Bringing in Texas and playing games on national interest will potentially be a huge help.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Who knows what the Mouse was thinking ? I'd be surprised if the bean counters did not have a say...and got it wrong..

As a (near 40 year) career bean counter I can state with full confidence that the most likely scenario was that those in accounting stated to operations management that the numbers didn't work only to be told "don't worry about it, once the increase we are anticipating kicks in, the numbers will work". Only to find out that the anticipated increase was nothing more than a pipe dream.

 

[Ha Who]

As a (near 40 year) career bean counter I can state with full confidence that the most likely scenario was that those in accounting stated to operations management that the numbers didn't work only to be told "don't worry about it, once the increase we are anticipating kicks in, the numbers will work". Only to find out that the anticipated increase was nothing more than a pipe dream.

Totally agree. Must be us bean counters. Anyone who has studied business would see a list of failures. Today Sankey is a genius. His legacy might be that of Steve Case

 

[mike012]

That’s the impression I had when I saw this being posted. So if Alabama has 10 people paying for cable and 5 of them are watching ESPN then 50% are watching. Whoop de f in do.

 

[goldendomer]

 

[Ldandy]

DLandy...

I agree very much with your post...but that does not negate the fact that the Big Ten was very much worried about isolated Penn State and the ACC.

That was 2011 and now is now...and who do you believe..Big Ten AD's and coach or poster's opinions?

I can tell you with near absolute certainty that PSU 20+ years into being a member of the B1G had no interest in leaving the conference for The ACC. I know this from conversations had with persons in state government who had access to this type of information through direct dealings with the university administration. The additions of Rutgers and UMD were done to monetize cable subscribers in two huge population centers and plant a conference flag in NYC and The DMV.

Penn State's supposed wandering eye was a talking point drummed up by conference brass as an additional justification for adding what were two divisive selections at the time. "Iowa, Wisconsin, MN etc., I know you're less than thrilled about adding these schools, however we needed to do this in order to keep Penn State happy and making us all money." Whatever their "worry" was about Penn State, it was always imagined by The B1G and never implied by PSU.

 

[UConnJim]

The CEO of Netflix a couple of days ago predicted the end of linear TV by 2032. I don't necessarily agree with him, but linear TV is in a steep decline and it does seem likey that the way we pay for sports (and other content) will change over time. Forcing channels like ESPN on consumers in a cable bundle is in secular decline so ESPN's linear revenues will continue to be under pressure. So, why would ESPN pay the ACC more money at this time?

 

[DefCONNOne]

Reminds me of this.

His name was Porkins!

 

[CAtlantic]

He talks about being 12 to 15 programs they looked at and that USC/UCLA came to them first. Oh, and talks about how they're trying to get Notre Dame to come on board.

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[billybud]

Various Opinions...back in 2012...they swing all over the place

Does Rutgers really bring in NYC market?

When word started circulating that Rutgers might be the 14th team in the Big Ten, many in the sports business world were baffled. The thinking is that, due to its proximity to New York City, Rutgers could give the Big Ten and its television network a stronghold in the nation's top market.

www.espn.com

 

[billybud]

Interesting article about NYC and college football realignment...circa September 2011...by NY Times

The Geography of College Football Fans (and Realignment Chaos)

The possible realignment of college football conferences raises a host of interesting questions about fan loyalty.

archive.nytimes.com

 

[Chin Diesel]

You can't be that dense.

The number of times I say this daily when reading work emails is borderline incalculable.

 

[Bobol]

…… The schools ESPN/ACC chose were the mistake

The bottom line is that the decision makers at the B1G were smarter and more shrewd than the good old boys running the ACC And have been able to outmaneuver the good old boys.

 

[Incursio007]

The ACC is dying a slow death. Just like the AAC, it’s only a matter of time before a lot of these schools jump ship for “greener” pastures.

I still can’t believe the ACC took a community college over UConn. Karma is a b*tch & I’m enjoying every second of watching them do damage control. FSU, Clemson & UNC are gone first chance they get. Good luck to BC & Cuse.

 

[freescooter]

The bottom line is that the decision makers at the B1G were smarter and more shrewd than the good old boys running the ACC And have been able to outmaneuver the good old boys.

That is sort of true, but on the other hand the Big X was a superior football conference from the very beginning, so they had a pretty significant head start. The ACC really was trying to surplant them and thought adding what had been a top 5 program for a over a decade I’m Miami, and a top 20 program in VaTech plus 2 borderline top 25 programs in BC and Syracuse to be added to Florida State would help them do it. Unfortunately all 4 really regressed and only Clemson among the original ACC really stepped up. And it sure didn’t help that FSU regressed at the same time. So what was expected to be a league with a bunch of programs with national attraction turned out to be what it always was, a one trick pony with really good basketball. Miami-Florida State, one of THE matchups of the year every year, is just another game between mid-level teams now. BC-Norte Dame, the Holy War, doesn’t happen every year and has been all Irish for 8 or 9 years now. Just another occasional ACC REQUIRED meeting for the DomersBad choices for sure,