Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[CTBballfan243]

Let’s assume the ACC creates an innovative strategy to generate revenue. The B1G and SEC can simply duplicate that and probably raise even more money than the ACC can doing the same thing.

The ACC added Syracuse for the NYC market.

The B1G added Rutgers for the NYC market.

We only need to look at current media contracts to see which school actually delivered the money from the NYC market. The B1G can leverage NYC in ways the ACC cannot. This is just one example as to why the ACC can innovate all they want, but the B1G and SEC can duplicate that innovation and do it better.

The ACC picked the wrong school to leverage the NYC market.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If the members vote to approve the new distributions, I don't think it blows up the GOR. I don't know what the ACC rules are for making a change like that but, unless it requires a super majority, they would probably get the votes since there are enough haves to outvote the have nots.

Plus, the schools it will affect (Cuse & BC among others) don't have any leverage. It's not like they have a place to go. As much as the Cuse blowhards want to claim NYC, if not for their ACC lifeline, they would be us without all the hoops rings. At the end of the day they would just have to sit back & take it

And if tiered payouts were to become reality in the ACC, it would make UConn a bit more attractive to them because of all of the non-football related positives we would bring with basketball, etc (and if we can get football more attractive it just makes us even more of a bargain for the ACC). Seems like we should hope for a tiered ACC to occur ASAP to at least have an option to staying BE/Independent down the road/before the ACC GOR expires.

 

[goldendomer]

<insert gif of grasping at straws>

 

[metsfan2323]

I agree with the NC State head coach, the ACC is fine until the GOR runs out. They may not like the money they are making, but why should any fans care about that? They make more than enough to compete at a high level and that's all that matters.

The B1G and SEC will be handing over huge profits to their schools and the ACC won't be, why should anyone care?

Their complaints sound like a rich person complaining about a scratch on their Ferarri.

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[CL82]

So it's a "gold standard" consultant that he won't reveal the name of?

Thats's so cute

They can only be talking about one man…

 

[gars44]

I get it but, it just seems that outside of Jim Delaney, Kevin Warren, Mike Slive and Greg Sankey EVERY other decision related to CR has turned to for everyone involved.

Miami & Va Tech left the Big East in July 2004. In the 18 years of Conference Realignment since, the stupidity displayed inside the CR world has truly been astounding

I’m sure I’ll regret asking, but “stupid” for who exactly? Who in the SEC B1G thinks any of this is stupid?

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[Chin Diesel]

The money is a conduit which the B1G and SEC really want which is a break away from the NCAA and its rules and regulations. They want a nice, compact group of like-minded school capable of drawing large crowds and audiences and willing to spend to be part of the club.

 

[CL82]

And yet, Rutgers will still be ringing up epic deficits

 

[bobbyinaz]

I’m sure I’ll regret asking, but “stupid” for who exactly? Who in the SEC B1G thinks any of this is stupid?

My point was that outside of the SEC/B1G the decisions have been atrocious.

How about the stupid decision the Big East made to turn down over $1B after which ESPN blew up the conference?

How stupid was the ACC, when they passed on adding UConn & Rutgers, who combined with Cuse would've given the conference a stranglehold on NYC and caused the ACC Network to start much sooner?

How about the B12 for not closing the deal and getting Clemson & FSU when they had the chance? Maybe UT & OK don't leave if those 2 schools were added years ago.

How about nearly every decision Larry Scott and the PAC have made the last 10 years causing the conference to be on the brink of collapse.

The Little 3 are in the position they are now because they allowed the P2 to accumulate power while they floundered along

 

[CAtlantic]

 

[huskymedic]

 

[TRest]

The ACC suddenly concerned with leopards eating people's faces.

 

[traitor71]

So it's a "gold standard" consultant that he won't reveal the name of?

Thats's so cute

Reminds me of this.

 

[goldendomer]

We need flying ponies , but no one has got them suckers. Football is to far gone and not turning back.

 

[Kolumbo]

 

[billybud]

bobbyinaz posted:

How stupid was the ACC, when they passed on adding UConn & Rutgers, who combined with Cuse would've given the conference a stranglehold on NYC and caused the ACC Network to start much sooner?

Well......the problem is that the ACC was and is an ESPN property.

And while New York may be sweet, the ESPN bees don't know it.

New York is not an ESPN college football top market (not in top 10 ESPN college football markets)...

Louisville is #4...

 

[NowInStorrs]

bobbyinaz posted:

How stupid was the ACC, when they passed on adding UConn & Rutgers, who combined with Cuse would've given the conference a stranglehold on NYC and caused the ACC Network to start much sooner?

Well......the problem is that the ACC was and is an ESPN property.

And while New York may be sweet, the ESPN bees don't know it.

New York is not an ESPN college football top market (not in top 10 ESPN college football markets)...

Louisville is #4...

Maybe NYC isn't a top market for ESPN because they're showing Syracuse games.

 

[dayooper]

bobbyinaz posted:

How stupid was the ACC, when they passed on adding UConn & Rutgers, who combined with Cuse would've given the conference a stranglehold on NYC and caused the ACC Network to start much sooner?

Well......the problem is that the ACC was and is an ESPN property.

And while New York may be sweet, the ESPN bees don't know it.

New York is not an ESPN college football top market (not in top 10 ESPN college football markets)...

Louisville is #4...

And this means what? All of these but 1 are owned by ESPN and, quite frankly, are rather small. Here are the size ranks of each.

Birmingham - 40
New Orleans - 53
Richmond - 58
Louisville - 50
Greenville, Spartanburg, Asheville - 58
Knoxville - 59
Greensboro, High Pointe, Winston-Salem - 46
Charlotte - 24
Memphis - 48
Columbus - 32

I know these place are high ratings places, but the size of these markets are very small. Most don’t even rate in the top 25 with Columbus a Big10 town.

I get the point of being a regional conference with rivalries that transcend sports. One of the reasons there’s so much rivalry between UM and OSU is there an intense rivalry between the states that existed before the 1st football game was ever played. The games played and incidences that occurred (the snow bowl, both UM and OSU running up the score, the 10 year war, OSU slowing down the UM players from entering Ohio Stadium in ‘06 by having the sheriffs and their police dogs go through every bag before they could enter the locker room).

What’s the reason for playing big time athletics? Why spend all of that money? Why do so many schools go into the red for their athletic programs? Most would say to win championships, but why is that important? The reason I believe is the same reason many schools are building new dorms, academic buildings and facilities. It’s why many wealthy suburban public and private schools are building new buildings, refurbishing and refreshing older buildings. To attract new students/ families. I’m a teacher and coach here in Michigan. My principal says that new families don’t shop houses, they shop schools and purchase houses accordingly so their kids can attend that school.

Being able to market their school to a nationwide audience is huge. A true nation wide audience. It’s why ND values their independence (at the administrative level). It’s why Rutgers, UMD, USC and, to a lesser extent, USC are now in the Big10. Marketing your schools to a wider audience.

I’d be interested in seeing what Fox’s top 10 markets are. I’m sure NYC, DC, Chicago and Philly aren’t on the list, but I bet #11 Detroit and #17 Cleveland are.

 

[bobbyinaz]

bobbyinaz posted:

How stupid was the ACC, when they passed on adding UConn & Rutgers, who combined with Cuse would've given the conference a stranglehold on NYC and caused the ACC Network to start much sooner?

Well......the problem is that the ACC was and is an ESPN property.

And while New York may be sweet, the ESPN bees don't know it.

New York is not an ESPN college football top market (not in top 10 ESPN college football markets)...

Louisville is #4...

The minute Rutgers was added to the B1G they generated MILLIONS of dollars to the conference because of their value to the B1G Network.

If UConn & Rutgers were added when they added Cuse & Pitt the Network could've launched then instead of ESPN slow playing it until 2019. An ACC Newtork that had UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse & BC games, plus all the other ACC games would've commanded premium rates in NYC immediately, just like the Rutgers add did. As a member of the ACC, FSU would've benefited like everyone else.

Keep holding on to the fact that ESPN says Louisville is the #4 market is some BS made up top 10. Top 10 market of what? Total viewers? Doubtful. Percentage of TVs that tune in? Maybe. Either way you're talking about a drop in the bucket.

If you don't understand simple math that 7,452,620 TV households in NYC is WAY (see, I can use the bold button too) more significant than the 663,520 in Louisville I don't know what to tell you.

Keep buying the crap ESPN is feeding you. Congratulations on being an ESPN property that they could care less about. They have had numerous chances to revisit the contract since it was signed and instead of throwing some more money to its "valued" property, it went out and went all in with your closest geographic competitor

 

[bobbyinaz]

And this means what? All of these but 1 are owned by ESPN and, quite frankly, are rather small. Here are the size ranks of each.

Birmingham - 40
New Orleans - 53
Richmond - 58
Louisville - 50
Greenville, Spartanburg, Asheville - 58
Knoxville - 59
Greensboro, High Pointe, Winston-Salem - 46
Charlotte - 24
Memphis - 48
Columbus - 32

I know these place are high ratings places, but the size of these markets are very small. Most don’t even rate in the top 25 with Columbus a Big10 town.

I get the point of being a regional conference with rivalries that transcend sports. One of the reasons there’s so much rivalry between UM and OSU is there an intense rivalry between the states that existed before the 1st football game was ever played. The games played and incidences that occurred (the snow bowl, both UM and OSU running up the score, the 10 year war, OSU slowing down the UM players from entering Ohio Stadium in ‘06 by having the sheriffs and their police dogs go through every bag before they could enter the locker room).

What’s the reason for playing big time athletics? Why spend all of that money? Why do so many schools go into the red for their athletic programs? Most would say to win championships, but why is that important? The reason I believe is the same reason many schools are building new dorms, academic buildings and facilities. It’s why many wealthy suburban public and private schools are building new buildings, refurbishing and refreshing older buildings. To attract new students/ families. I’m a teacher and coach here in Michigan. My principal says that new families don’t shop houses, they shop schools and purchase houses accordingly so their kids can attend that school.

Being able to market their school to a nationwide audience is huge. A true nation wide audience. It’s why ND values their independence (at the administrative level). It’s why Rutgers, UMD, USC and, to a lesser extent, USC are now in the Big10. Marketing your schools to a wider audience.

I’d be interested in seeing what Fox’s top 10 markets are. I’m sure NYC, DC, Chicago and Philly aren’t on the list, but I bet #11 Detroit and #17 Cleveland are.

Beat me too it

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Urcea]

Maybe NYC isn't a top market for ESPN because they're showing Syracuse games.

Kind of a head scratcher that the ACC didn’t try to dominate the northeastern megalopolis last time. If they took UCONN with some kind of arrangement to get Villanova to the FBS they could have dominated in basketball and in the largest TV markets in the country

 

[billybud]

If you have a bunch of households that don't watch college football on ESPN...size of market does not matter....particularly when it is eyeballs watching that prices advertising. Market matters less than actual numbers watching.

ESPN and the ACC was already was carried in most set top boxes in New York (and on YES)...but folks watch pro sports...so adding a college football team, you look for where eyeballs will watch it...and it was not New York.

Yes, Rutgers brought set top boxes and a some viewers as a NY home team....But the south was clearly where people turned on ESPN to watch college football.