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Come on man there’s no world where UConn is in a power 2 conference, I hate to admit.
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That really depends on what the strategy is both UConn and Syracuse could lock up the NY markets and give Rutgers and Penn State a rivalry.
I'm not going to suggest that UConn will be in the B1G any time soon, but to say that there's no path is not totally true.
A lot would need to happen, the B1G would have to go beyond 20 teams, like 24, and the ACC would have to totally explode.
And the NCAA Basketball deal would facilitate that as well if the numbers are huge, which I think will be.
It's not a high probability, but the unlikely path exists.
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That’s not true at all. The Big 12’s middle is in in nowheresville.
Even still it’s not like it matters. They are just rearranging deck chairs.
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They might be in nowheresville, but they have more dedicated fan bases and get better tv ratings. Look it up.
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We have seen where this is going for some years...The SEC is paid more, gets better time slots, and more CFP spots than the ACC. Those are the perks that SEC members have accumulated that ACC members are incentivized to want to join. Exactly the same stands with the B1G versus ACC.
The ACC & B12 will lose value. That is the nature of the current business structure.
There are really only two broadcasters that solo lease entire conferences. One conf adds members and the other loses access to them. The limited number of networks only add and subtract rights value. Add rights value to the SEC/B1G and subtract from the ACC.
In my localized view, the SEC seems much less interested in being a "national conference" geographically then maybe the Big Ten. The SEC seems perfectly happy in their moated southern stronghold.
The ACC & B12 will lose value. That is the nature of the current business structure.
There are really only two broadcasters that solo lease entire conferences. One conf adds members and the other loses access to them. The limited number of networks only add and subtract rights value. Add rights value to the SEC/B1G and subtract from the ACC.
In my localized view, the SEC seems much less interested in being a "national conference" geographically then maybe the Big Ten. The SEC seems perfectly happy in their moated southern stronghold.
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UConn is perpetually stuck in the middle of the New York and Boston TV markets. Let’s face it…the Hartford/New Haven market pales by comparison. What do we (UConn) have to do to cannibalize viewers from the Boston (less likely) and New York (aka Fairfield County) markets? Win, win, win.
Greenwich, Stamford, Darien, New Canaan, Westport are populated by “winners”. Most of their kids don’t aspire to go to State U. But their parents love to associate with success.
Just win, and downstate CT will ultimately come around.
Greenwich, Stamford, Darien, New Canaan, Westport are populated by “winners”. Most of their kids don’t aspire to go to State U. But their parents love to associate with success.
Just win, and downstate CT will ultimately come around.
I understand where you’re coming from, the same could’ve been said about Rutgers 15 years ago.
I also think this whole current setup is on the verge of a major blow up and I’m not sure where I’d want us to be. The influence of money paying players is going to turn sour soon. Someone posted a list of program values and Texas was way above others. How long are traditional powerhouses like Alabama gonna play second fiddle to them? And they’d have to pay so much to keep up with football their other programs would surely suffer.
I suspect that during the next decade we will see huge changes. How we view content. And a split between football, hoops, and other sports. I would be content with tier 1 hoops, tier 2 football, and a mix of remaining sports trying to keep baseball, hockey, and soccers (m & w) tier 1.
But until then, let’s see what happens.
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And the only ACC school that has a landing spot is UNC. People keep saying the ACC is going to break up. But it isn't. You're in fantasy land.
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Maybe, but not by those in the know. Rutgers was quietly groomed by the Big Ten to be an acceptable candidate. No promises, mind you, just direction on things that they would need to change to even be considered a possibility.
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Got this bookmarked and will check back in with you when the fourth ACC school departs.
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It does seem like there is some agreement among the Big10 and SEC but it might be more just a case of serendipity. As far as Texas goes the world was different. The Longhorn net was valuable. The Big wouldn’t let them keep it.
I think the Big 10 has been after “programs.” The exceptions are Rutgers and Maryland which were simply money grabs when cable was king. Not so much any more. Those are 2 schools that are in pro areas. They are and will be an afterthought most of the time. Rutgers Carrie’s the New York market about as strongly as UMass Carrie’s the Boston market. Maryland draws about 35,000. Drew 42000 for USC but that was the only game over 40,000 last year. They are neither DC’s nor Baltimore’s teams.
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Got this bookmarked and will check back in with you when the fourth ACC school departs.
Sure thing. You’re just as bad as MHVER.
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Nobody is as bad as him.
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You are if you think that some school is dumb enough to pay a $75M exit fee in 2031 to make less money in the Big 12.
Everyone will stay put and count their exit fee and then they will drink the Big 12's milkshake and have West Virginia or something. You're lawst.
Not hard to believe. Have to also wonder what other “secret grooming” has/is happening. New England and a good chunk of New York metro is an awful big carrot.
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Stick with the program... 4 or more ACC schools will land in the SEC/BIG10. ESPN will then devalue the ACC contract, which will leave the remaining schools to have to petition for the Big12 as their tv valuations will be less than the Big12. In 2031 the Big12 payout per school is $50m (that's what their contract starting next year calls for). Once the ACC loses its top schools, the ACC remnants are likely to fetch half the $50m figure (given that the top 4 ACC programs drive about 50% of the overall ACC tv valuations). If you do the math, it's only a three year payback to pay the 2031 exit fee. So, schools like Louisville, VA Tech, etc will be scrambling to get into the Big12.
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Haha they don’t have $50M per school to distribute. Stop it.
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No idea where he got that number from, but maybe it's a combination of the media rights (@$35?) money plus the CFP money (@$15M)?
Just a guess, and yes, those figures are from memory if anyone has accurate numbers, feel free to correct them.
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The Atlantic Coast Conference generated $711 million for the 2023-24 academic year, according to new tax documents released by the league, distributing an average of $45 million to each of its 14 full-time member schools, a record for the conference.
In February, the SEC distributed $808 million to its membership for the 2023-24 year, averaging about $53 million per school.
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In February, the SEC distributed $808 million to its membership for the 2023-24 year, averaging about $53 million per school.
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He's a MHVER. He doesn't even know that the ACC makes almost twice as much as the Hayseed 12.
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If they figure out how to do that then it only means that everyone else is making more.
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There's this thing called Google and it shows:
"For the 2024-25 academic year, the Big 12 Conference distributed approximately $558 million in total revenue, with the four newest schools (BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, Houston) receiving smaller shares ($19 million) while the established members received larger, but slightly reduced, payouts compared to the previous year. Starting in the 2025-26 year, all 16 schools will receive a full, equal share, with total revenue from the new media deal expected to reach around $50 million per school annually".
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In addition, the ACC by going to an unequal revenue share model is going to substantially reduce the monies going to schools not named FSU, Clemson, NC, etc thereby putting even more pressure on the likes of Louisville, NC State, VA Tech, etc to look at alternatives now so as to find greener pastures leading up to 2031. The analysis has already been done and now the posturing/networking/informal discussions phase has been entered. What the public sees and hears about is usually a year or more behind what is transpiring behind closed doors.
"For the 2024-25 academic year, the Big 12 Conference distributed approximately $558 million in total revenue, with the four newest schools (BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, Houston) receiving smaller shares ($19 million) while the established members received larger, but slightly reduced, payouts compared to the previous year. Starting in the 2025-26 year, all 16 schools will receive a full, equal share, with total revenue from the new media deal expected to reach around $50 million per school annually".
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In addition, the ACC by going to an unequal revenue share model is going to substantially reduce the monies going to schools not named FSU, Clemson, NC, etc thereby putting even more pressure on the likes of Louisville, NC State, VA Tech, etc to look at alternatives now so as to find greener pastures leading up to 2031. The analysis has already been done and now the posturing/networking/informal discussions phase has been entered. What the public sees and hears about is usually a year or more behind what is transpiring behind closed doors.
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I don't understand how people make comments like this. The ACC and Big 12 TV ratings are very close (Big 12 higher, but how much is the Sander effect?) and the difference in the media revenues is primarily the ACCN which we don't know how the network will perform as more people stream sports.
If you take FSU and Clemson out of the ACC, the Big 12 wallops the ACC TV ratings. The Big 12 has the flagship university in Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, West Virginia, as well as BYU (the Mormon flagship). The ACC has North Carolina and Virginia (I guess you could add FSU and Clemson, but then you might add Arizona St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., and Iowa St. as the second largest public universities in the state.)