Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[CTFAN4LIFE]

don't understand how people make comments like this. The ACC and Big 12 TV ratings are very close (Big 12 higher, but how much is the Sander effect?) and the difference in the media revenues is primarily the ACCN which we don't know how the network will perform as more people stream sports.

Agreed. I've looked at the actual data on ACC vs Big12 viewership and while I understand many people thinking bigger/east coast ACC markets would deliver more viewership and value to the ACC vs the smaller metro area Big12 markets, once you take out FSU, Clemson and whatever next two you want (i.e. the 4 most likely SEC/Big10 candidates), the Big12 carries more water. It just does. And with the ACC already having its own network and the Big12 not, there is more upside in the Big12. It might defy logic or emotions on here, but it's just the cold hard facts. Then, add to those facts that Yormark is a more astute and aggressive leader than Phillips and that the ACC is a band of unlike schools as opposed to the Big12 schools being more like minded, it adds up to the Big12 being more likely to prevail over the remnant occupied ACC.

 

[ZooCougar]

I don't understand how people make comments like this. The ACC and Big 12 TV ratings are very close (Big 12 higher, but how much is the Sander effect?) and the difference in the media revenues is primarily the ACCN which we don't know how the network will perform as more people stream sports.

If you take FSU and Clemson out of the ACC, the Big 12 wallops the ACC TV ratings. The Big 12 has the flagship university in Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, West Virginia, as well as BYU (the Mormon flagship). The ACC has North Carolina and Virginia (I guess you could add FSU and Clemson, but then you might add Arizona St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., and Iowa St. as the second largest public universities in the state.)

The SEC has shown no interest in Clemson and FSU. They already have what those schools offer.

UNC is the only school that likely has a landing spot.

 

[CL82]

The SEC has shown no interest in Clemson and FSU. They already have what those schools offer.

UNC is the only school that likely has a landing spot.

This is the worst possible result for Connecticut as I see Clemson and FSU exercising their veto against any attempt to add Connecticut to the ACC

 

[ZooCougar]

This is the worst possible result for Connecticut as I see Clemson and FSU exercising their veto against any attempt to add Connecticut to the ACC

The worst possible result for us is usually the most likely.

 

[Ha Who]

The worst possible result for us is usually the most likely.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

This is the worst possible result for Connecticut as I see Clemson and FSU exercising their veto against any attempt to add Connecticut to the ACC

I just don’t see Clemson and FSU in the ACC after 2030-31. B1G will probably take them. They’ve given up on caring about the academics.

 

[buddy]

Enjoy UConn now. Things will stay like this for another 5 years of so. Support the teams. Support the school. Stop wishin' and hopin'. ACC and Big 12 will sit tight for now, it seems. ACC has made their stance clear more than a decade ago and has not even given UConn a second look. Big 12 jerked UConn around a couple times lately, which is unforgivable. The underlying evil remains ESPN and no one in Ct has the guts to stand up to them. They control the purse strings and u ltimately make the decisions on conference realignment.

 

[CL82]

I just don’t see Clemson and FSU in the ACC after 2030-31. B1G will probably take them. They’ve given up on caring about the academics.

I've stopped trying to figure this stuff out. Better, at least for my mental health, just to wait and see with a huge dose of skepticism.

 

[UConn Dan]

Regarding ACC going to 9 game schedule.

 

[bendm]

To me, there are a few ways the next round of expansion could go. The SEC and B1G could both end up with 20 schools or one could end up with 18 while the other has 20. Let's discuss the latter scenario

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

B1G drives a wedge in to SEC and ACC territory- UVA, UNC, GT and Miami. They can skip a stone across South Carolina.

The SEC has shown no interest in Clemson and FSU. They already have what those schools offer.

UNC is the only school that likely has a landing spot.

They would be interested if the B1G was interested
Fla Texas and California are the prime recruiting areas

 

[freescooter]

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

That is my take too. At one time the Bug care about academic fit, but I think they would not take a highly rated academic institution that was not also a solid athletic one. And they would draw the line at a Louisville I suspect. But leaving Cal and Stanford indicates they aren’t taking Virginia.

 

[BigTenFan]

Does all this really matter when cable becomes obsolete and everything is streaming and you pay as you go?

 

[billybud]

I just don’t see Clemson and FSU in the ACC after 2030-31. B1G will probably take them. They’ve given up on caring about the academics.

I don't see Clemson in the B1G...SEC seems right

Maybe FSU to the B1G but I would think SEC...

FSU is ranked by USNWR National Universities higher than Minnesota, Michigan State, Penn State, Indiana, Iowa...AAU is a club where the members vote you in and FSU probably isn't high on their list....But FSU has been aiming for AAU...has doubled their number of National Academy members in the last two years and is expanding medical research and building a new hospital...Maybe not AAU invited but a decent academic school. But to most fans, the SEC seems right

 

[ScottVib]

FSU’s academics would be fine for the Big Ten. Notre Dame is their preferred #1, 2 and 3. Then North Carolina followed by FSU & (yes despite the athletics) Virginia. I’d be shocked if anyone else is on their list beyond that.


Clemson’s biggest appeal to a P2 is as a plus one for someone more desirable and only exists if they are a consistent 10+ win team. If they go through a cycle of being good but not great (as they’ve been prone to do) their attraction to either the SEC or Big Ten goes from low to none.

 

[KryHavok]

Clemson’s biggest appeal to a P2 is as a plus one for someone more desirable and only exists if they are a consistent 10+ win team. If they go through a cycle of being good but not great (as they’ve been prone to do) their attraction to either the SEC or Big Ten goes from low to none.

Hmmm, that would put them in the same boat as us...now if only someone in Clemson had the ability to critically think, see the forest for the trees, and decide to make their conference better by inviting (or at least not exercise their veto against) a high standard and better rated school with excellence in sports that would significantly complement their conference...then again, I'm a pragmatist and don't expect them or their conference to ever do anything that could positively impact us.

 

[Kolumbo]

FSU’s academics would be fine for the Big Ten. Notre Dame is their preferred #1, 2 and 3. Then North Carolina followed by FSU & (yes despite the athletics) Virginia. I’d be shocked if anyone else is on their list beyond that.


Clemson’s biggest appeal to a P2 is as a plus one for someone more desirable and only exists if they are a consistent 10+ win team. If they go through a cycle of being good but not great (as they’ve been prone to do) their attraction to either the SEC or Big Ten goes from low to none.

it really would be amazing if Clemson were ultimately left out of the cartel. The P2 would each want to go to say 24 at least in order for the Big 10 to want to march down the entire Atlantic Coast

Clemson is still very sore about UConn, probably still trying to figure out how they missed that Scott Burrell was a major league caliber pitcher

 

[Fishy]

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

You do not have any clue how any of this works.

 

[superjohn]

You do not have any clue how any of this works.

He's right about UVA being a trash football program. We may be at the stage where the Big 20 is looking to add more trash to create rivals for Rutgers.

 

[Drew]

Regarding ACC going to 9 game schedule.

 

[UConnJim]

TLDR but UVA is a garbage football program. 0% chance they’re invited to sec or BIG and the big12 would take Lville and Pitt over them, Not to mention NC State and VTech. Do not reply with something about academics. if the BIG still cared about academics they would have taken Cal & Stanford. Both have better academics and football pedigrees than UVA.

The Big 10 was interested in Stanford/Cal, but FOX was not. Oregon and Washington got an invite because they accepted half media shares.

 

[bendm]

You do not have any clue how any of this works.

So Why would Fox/ESPN think UVA is more valuable than Cal or Stanford? Or any other ACC school for that matter? Historically UVA probably has the worst football program in the conference.

 

[Exit 4]

So Why would Fox/ESPN think UVA is more valuable than Cal or Stanford? Or any other ACC school for that matter? Historically UVA probably has the worst football program in the conference.

The value of schools is shifting back to the long term model; total endowment, total student population, amount of state support, academic stature, amount of living alumni, does your school bring two senators that your conf doesn’t already have?

Football record matters- but near term and long term economic and political clout also matter.

 

[Stinger92860]

The value of schools is shifting back to the long term model; total endowment, total student population, amount of state support, academic stature, amount of living alumni, does your school bring two senators that your conf doesn’t already have?

Football record matters- but near term and long term economic and political clout also matter.

I’d like to believe this, but until schools are dropped from existing conferences due to the updated metrics I cannot.

 

[billybud]

My review of internet re adding a new member...what may be considered..

• Revenue sharing: Conferences evaluate how a new member will impact revenue distribution among existing schools. They seek institutions that increase the total revenue pot through larger media deals, corporate sponsorships, and ticket sales.
• Brand value: A school with a strong national brand and large, engaged alumni base is more attractive. This increases season ticket sales, donations, and the overall marketing appeal of the conference.
• Viability and sustainability: The financial stability of the prospective member is assessed to ensure they can sustain a competitive athletics program without being a financial drain on the conference.
• Media market: Expanding into a new, large media market is a top priority for most major conferences. This grows the conference's audience, which translates into more lucrative media rights deals.
• On-field competitiveness: The prospective member's athletic prestige is a significant factor. A school with successful, high-profile sports (particularly football and men's basketball) can elevate the conference's overall strength and draw in more viewers.
• Recruiting access: Expansion may be driven by a desire to gain access to new talent pools in a different region, which can improve recruiting for all conference members.
• Good fit: A prospective member's overall institutional identity and values must align with the existing conference culture. This ensures long-term stability and harmony among the members.
• Alumni presence: Beyond simply increasing the market, a school's alumni network is a key factor. A large, geographically diverse alumni base helps to drive ticket sales and donations.
• Geographic footprint: Conferences evaluate how a new member's location fits with the existing membership. A closer geographical fit can reduce travel costs and enhance regional rivalries, while a distant location can open up new markets but dramatically increase travel time and expense.
  Regional rivalries: The addition of a school can help create or preserve regional rivalries, which are important for maintaining fan engagement.