Katz: BE AD's meeting in Dallas on 1/11

[zls44]

I think I am going to have to cut back on wasting my time on this ****ing board. Ever hear of Pop Warner? He coached at Temple. Temple has a winning record against us, all-time. Please, continue to rant on, complain, whatever.

Literally nobody, anywhere, cares that Pop Warner coached at Temple.

It isn't 1890.
Nobody is running the Wing-T.
Presidential commissions aren't being formed to curtail deaths across college football.
Harvard-Yale is not nationally relevant.

And nobody gives a third of a shit that Pop Warner coached at Temple.

 

[Fishy]

I think I am going to have to cut back on wasting my time on this ****ing board. Ever hear of Pop Warner? He coached at Temple. Temple has a winning record against us, all-time. Please, continue to rant on, complain, whatever.

On behalf of a grateful message board, I thank you for your decision to lessen your presence here. And I wish you Godspeed in treating whatever chemical addiction or demonic possession was responsible for that post on Temple football.

It's all right to play the contrarian, but there's a fine line between being a contrarian and simply being a crackpot - you're definitely approaching crackpot with the Pop Warner/Temple thing. I had flashbacks of RutgersAl and his 'we invented football!' schtick.

 

[Adios]

Go Owls.

 

[Adios]

Literally nobody, anywhere, cares that Pop Warner coached at Temple.

It isn't 1890.
Nobody is running the Wing-T.
Presidential commissions aren't being formed to curtail deaths across college football.
Harvard-Yale is not nationally relevant.

And nobody gives a third of a that Pop Warner coached at Temple.

This is pretty stupid. All I was trying to say was Temple was relevant before UConn ever was. And here you go off with some soap opera tangent. As usual.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Did you just say on par or better. I have heard it all. I wonder why some folks say anything at all. UMess is not the same as UConn and never will be.

on par in reference to the conference. if you were to read my previous posts, you would see i am not suggesting uconn and umass are equal.

i am suggesting that uconn doesnt need to compete with umass as a conference mate (on par) or with syr and bc (better)...

whatever your feelings on umass, if they are in the same conference, over time they will be on par with uconn.

 

[businesslawyer]

on par in reference to the conference. if you were to read my previous posts, you would see i am not suggesting uconn and umass are equal.

i am suggesting that uconn doesnt need to compete with umass as a conference mate (on par) or with syr and bc (better)...

whatever your feelings on umass, if they are in the same conference, over time they will be on par with uconn.

You mean like Indiana is on par with Michigan?

(Or, maybe, just maybe, are there factors beyond conference affiliation that effect whether or not two programs are on par with each other?)

 

[Marty Jackson]

You mean like Indiana is on par with Michigan?

(Or, maybe, just maybe, are there factors beyond conference affiliation that effect whether or not two programs are on par with each other?)

Step off the pedestal chuckles...

The premise of my orignial post was specifically about the northeast region and that adding Umass to the same conference wasn't going to help Uconn. If you feel that (incompetently I might add), pointing out Indiana vs Michigan, two schools firmly and safely entrenched in the Big10, refutes my earlier post, you're wrong.

There is more than enough evidence to suggest schools do not want regional competition within the same conference. I don't have to look further than Uconn and BC... It is my opinion that adding Umass to the BE will only add another rival for northeast recruits. And yes, when talking to recruits, selling the BE over the MAC/A10 is an advantage that goes away should Umass join the BE.

 

[metsfan2323]

There is more than enough evidence to suggest schools do not want regional competition within the same conference.

Coward. Using this logic we should try to get into the Pac 10 so we don't have any regional competition, or we can go independent and just declare victory. How about forming a UCONN intramural football league so UCONN never loses?

 

[Marty Jackson]

Coward. Using this logic we should try to get into the Pac 10 so we don't have any regional competition, or we can go independent and just declare victory. How about forming a UCONN intramural football league so UCONN never loses?

Coward? It's the basis for conference realignment. It's called money and getting as much as you can.
Non-Profit doesn't mean charity...

Ohio State / Cincy
WVU / Marshall
BC / Uconn
Uconn / Umass
Florida / Florida St
S. Carolina / clemson

I am sure there are other examples.

 

[metsfan2323]

Coward? It's the basis for conference realignment. It's called money and getting as much as you can.
Non-Profit doesn't mean charity...

Ohio State / Cincy
WVU / Marshall
BC / Uconn
Uconn / Umass
Florida / Florida St
S. Carolina / clemson
Texas / TCU / Texas Tech
UVA / Virginia Tech

I am sure there are other examples.

South Carolina / Clemson play every year. It is a huge rivalry game. Same with Florida / FSU. Those schools all hate each other but they make a ton of money off of the rivalry and one can easily argue that the rivalry helps fuel the schools desire to excel in the athletic arena.

Clearly you must think that BC is doing the right thing by not playing UCONN, I personally think BC is making a huge mistake by avoiding the rivalry.

The announced crowd for UCONN / UMASS this year was 35,000. The announced crowd for UCONN / NC State was 34,000. The best attended game at the Rent this season was the new rival that nobody wanted - Temple drew 37,000

BTW

UNC / Duke
USC / UCLA
Michigan / Michigan State
Auburn / Alabama
Oklahoma / Oklahoma State
Arizona / Arizona State
Washington / Washington State
Oregon / Oregon State
UVA / Virginia Tech
Texas / TCU / Texas Tech

I'm sure I am missing a bunch.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

South Carolina / Clemson play every year. It is a huge rivalry game. Same with Florida / FSU. Those schools all hate each other but they make a ton of money off of the rivalry and one can easily argue that the rivalry helps fuel the schools desire to excel in the athletic arena.

Clearly you must think that BC is doing the right thing by not playing UCONN, I personally think BC is making a huge mistake by avoiding the rivalry.

The announced crowd for UCONN / UMASS this year was 35,000. The announced crowd for UCONN / NC State was 34,000. The best attended game at the Rent this season was the new rival that nobody wanted - Temple drew 37,000

BTW

UNC / Duke
USC / UCLA
Michigan / Michigan State
Auburn / Alabama
Oklahoma / Oklahoma State
Arizona / Arizona State
Washington / Washington State
Oregon / Oregon State
UVA / Virginia Tech
Texas / TCU / Texas Tech

I'm sure I am missing a bunch.

Couple of adjustments here…
While Michigan State views Michigan as their biggest rival, Michigan views State like a young, unwanted little brother for it to kick around. Michigan’s hated is reserved for Ohio State and the feeling is mutual.
Ditto for Texas. A&M is the little brother while the other Texas schools are flies to be swatted away. Texas grades itself against Oklahoma and vise versa.
Competition drives success. Nearly all successful colleges (look at Harvard and Yale or MIT and CalTech on the academic side) and businesses (Ford & GM, Apple & IBM, followed by Mircosoft, followed by Google, Chase & Citi, Pepe’s & Sally’s Pizza in New Haven) have used a very competitive rival as a key motivational tool to push itself to the next level.
Conference realignment has badly hurt UConn’s development, especially in Football, by taking away natural rivals (BS, then Syracuse, and now Rutgers) that UConn can compete with, drive passion from, and grow with.

 

[Marty Jackson]

South Carolina / Clemson play every year. It is a huge rivalry game. Same with Florida / FSU. Those schools all hate each other but they make a ton of money off of the rivalry and one can easily argue that the rivalry helps fuel the schools desire to excel in the athletic arena.

Clearly you must think that BC is doing the right thing by not playing UCONN, I personally think BC is making a huge mistake by avoiding the rivalry.

The announced crowd for UCONN / UMASS this year was 35,000. The announced crowd for UCONN / NC State was 34,000. The best attended game at the Rent this season was the new rival that nobody wanted - Temple drew 37,000

BTW

UNC / Duke
USC / UCLA
Michigan / Michigan State
Auburn / Alabama
Oklahoma / Oklahoma State
Arizona / Arizona State
Washington / Washington State
Oregon / Oregon State
UVA / Virginia Tech
Texas / TCU / Texas Tech

I'm sure I am missing a bunch.

lets stay on point and not confuse playing someone vs sharing a conference.
FSU and clemson would like to get in the sec... there are two very obvious reasons they are not. florida and usc...
i'm sure they have no problem playing them annually. i never said i have a problem with uconn playing umass. again, what i said is its not in uconn's best interest for umass to join the big east.

i agree bc is making a mistake not playing uconn. however, if the roles were reversed, i wouldnt want them to join uconns's conference....

 

[Matt (Chicago)]

On behalf of a grateful message board, I thank you for your decision to lessen your presence here. And I wish you Godspeed in treating whatever chemical addiction or demonic possession was responsible for that post on Temple football.

It's all right to play the contrarian, but there's a fine line between being a contrarian and simply being a crackpot - you're definitely approaching crackpot with the Pop Warner/Temple thing. I had flashbacks of RutgersAl and his 'we invented football!' schtick.

WOW.... i think you really might have chased him off. nice work!

 

[Vuce]

Mark Blauschun tonight says that Big East will meet Friday which we knew and that they will be trying to keep SDSU. Also that they will focus on adding Tulsa as a member.

http://ajerseyguy.com/

“It has been challenging to say the least,” said Aresco on Wednesday as he made his plans for the meeting in Dallas on Friday. “But we’re going to work our way through this and come up with a good league that will work for our members.”
Aresco would not discuss specifics, other than to say the meeting in Dallas would include “every aspect of what we are trying to do.”
The first issue will bet settle the football make up of the league for 2013. The Big East is fairly confident in can keep Louisville and Rutgers for one more season and then replace them with Tulane and East Carolina in 2014 and add Navy in football in 2015.
He has been constantly working on keeping San Diego State as part of the new group, using the argument that the Big East/ Big West (for other sports) is a more financially lucrative package for San Diego State than as a full member of the Mountain West.
The Big East expects a final decision by San Diego State in the next few weeks. San Diego State officials are expected to be in Dallas for Friday’s meetings.
With Boise State gone, Aresco is looking for another “western” based team, with Air Force and BYU the obvious main targets, but Tulsa has emerged as another contender as an all sports member."

 

[RS9999X]

Tulsa and Southern Mississippi. Then they can re-name the league the Big Southern



Sent from my Lumia 920 via Windows 8. Now bite me Apple Droids.

 

[ctchamps]

Definitely Aresco is getting feedback from someone (media) that wants teams from large markets. Otherwise the play is to take some MWC teams and force Boise's hands to reconsider. But the teams in the MWC don't fit the model Aresco is formulating with one or more of the media people.

 

[methodology]

lets stay on point and not confuse playing someone vs sharing a conference.
FSU and clemson would like to get in the sec... there are two very obvious reasons they are not. florida and usc...
i'm sure they have no problem playing them annually. i never said i have a problem with uconn playing umass. again, what i said is its not in uconn's best interest for umass to join the big east.

i agree bc is making a mistake not playing uconn. however, if the roles were reversed, i wouldnt want them to join uconns's conference....

FSU is not in the SEC because they turned down an SEC invitation in the early 90s for what they considered greener pastures in the ACC. Ever since that day the SEC has resented FSU for that decision and it is not until conference realignment started again that Florida was used as the reason FSU wouldnt be allowed into the SEC. The SEC already has 2 teams in other states with small populations and from things I have heard FSU would be allowed into the SEC as a last decision in conference realignment if it got to that point.

FSU being kept out of the SEC has more to do with being the alpha male than doubling up in the state of Florida. The SEC feels slighted by FSU not joining back in 91 or whenever it was and because of that decision they will gladly watch FSU flap around like a fish out of water

 

[businesslawyer]

FSU is not in the SEC because they turned down an SEC invitation in the early 90s for what they considered greener pastures in the ACC. Ever since that day the SEC has resented FSU for that decision and it is not until conference realignment started again that Florida was used as the reason FSU wouldnt be allowed into the SEC. The SEC already has 2 teams in other states with small populations and from things I have heard FSU would be allowed into the SEC as a last decision in conference realignment if it got to that point.

FSU being kept out of the SEC has more to do with being the alpha male than doubling up in the state of Florida. The SEC feels slighted by FSU not joining back in 91 or whenever it was and because of that decision they will gladly watch FSU flap around like a fish out of water

So in effect, you are telling us that it's not all about the money.

Good luck with that.

 

[methodology]

It most certainly is about the money but the SEC doesn't have much places to expand. They pride themselves on having the hands down best college football on the planet, bar none. They obviously are interested in UNC and getting in other states but they are already in every state in the South minus N. Carolina and Virginia.

Oklahoma and Texas arent going to the SEC. No chance in that they want to play for national championships and the SEC is too difficult a landscape for their liking. UNC is a great add but doesnt add much football wise. VAtech would be middle of the pack/lower half in football. They cant expand much so their next plan of attack would be to grab the best available football programs and prevent another conference from intruding on their territory. FSU would fit in fine there and as a said it would be a last pick type of situation. It wouldnt be the first move the SEC made in expansion.

And dont think for 1 second the SEC doesnt view FSU turning them down in the the early 90s as a slap in their face. SEC and the south in general remembers instances like that and they will watch you drown. They have different values and culture and if you spurn them well so be it because they will remember that for 100s of years.

 

[coachcap]

Methodology, I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I remember that time frame differently. Tranguese wanted to add teams to form the Big East football conference. There had been a detailed article in the Washington Post earlier in the year that speculated that the Big East was targeting FSU & Miami to appease the football playing members. The ACC formally invited FSU first, leaving only the 'Canes for the Big East to grab. FWIW, if the SEC actually extend an invitation & FSU declined, that act was foolish on so many levels. At that time ( & still today) the SEC was light years ahead of the ACC in both prestige & performance.

 

[methodology]

http://www.mrsec.com/2011/09/opening-the-vaults-how-the-sec-pursued-fsu-20-years-ago/

This paints a very good picture of the situation. FSU made the wrong decision and the SEC most definitely holds a grudge about that today.

 

[The Funster]

I won't be able to take this conference seriously unless every member is all in for all sports. No FB onlies, no Olympic onlies. It has to be all in.

 

[Kevin Caliendo]

Scene from the Big East AD meetings in Dallas. Can you guess which one is Warde?

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

It most certainly is about the money but the SEC doesn't have much places to expand. They pride themselves on having the hands down best college football on the planet, bar none. They obviously are interested in UNC and getting in other states but they are already in every state in the South minus N. Carolina and Virginia.

Oklahoma and Texas arent going to the SEC. No chance in that they want to play for national championships and the SEC is too difficult a landscape for their liking. UNC is a great add but doesnt add much football wise. VAtech would be middle of the pack/lower half in football. They cant expand much so their next plan of attack would be to grab the best available football programs and prevent another conference from intruding on their territory. FSU would fit in fine there and as a said it would be a last pick type of situation. It wouldnt be the first move the SEC made in expansion.

And dont think for 1 second the SEC doesnt view FSU turning them down in the the early 90s as a slap in their face. SEC and the south in general remembers instances like that and they will watch you drown. They have different values and culture and if you spurn them well so be it because they will remember that for 100s of years.

The last 7 champions came out of the SEC, but you think Tx and OK won't go there because they want to win a championship? That makes no sense. The SEC has proven that you can lose during the season and sitll play for a national title. Tx and OK are good enough programs that they can compete in the SEC and even if they have a loss they can play for a title. Now...someone like WVU...they would struggle to get the shot for a national title in the SEC...but TX and OK would be fine. Look at A&M...lots of people will pick them to win next year.

 

[methodology]

The Pac or even staying in the Big 12 if they get a conference title game pretty much guarantees that one of Texas and Oklahoma would have a chance to play for the National Championship year in and year out with the future set up because they would win their league just about every year.

In the SEC they would get a difficult opponent just about every week and it would not be as easy as being in the situation they are now or going to the Pac

 

[businesslawyer]

It most certainly is about the money but the SEC doesn't have much places to expand. They pride themselves on having the hands down best college football on the planet, bar none. They obviously are interested in UNC and getting in other states but they are already in every state in the South minus N. Carolina and Virginia.

Oklahoma and Texas arent going to the SEC. No chance in that they want to play for national championships and the SEC is too difficult a landscape for their liking. UNC is a great add but doesnt add much football wise. VAtech would be middle of the pack/lower half in football. They cant expand much so their next plan of attack would be to grab the best available football programs and prevent another conference from intruding on their territory. FSU would fit in fine there and as a said it would be a last pick type of situation. It wouldnt be the first move the SEC made in expansion.

And dont think for 1 second the SEC doesnt view FSU turning them down in the the early 90s as a slap in their face. SEC and the south in general remembers instances like that and they will watch you drown. They have different values and culture and if you spurn them well so be it because they will remember that for 100s of years.

If you're acting on a historical grudge, it's not all about the money. If it's all about the money, you don't vary your decision because of hurt feelings from a generation ago. You are supporting both sides of the debate at once. Have a nice day,.

 

[whaler11]

Temple's attendance was highest because it was homecoming. Not because anyone gives a damn about Temple.

 

[CL82]

Scene from the Big East AD meetings in Dallas. Can you guess which one is Warde?

"Fat, drunk and stupid is a hell of a way to go through Conference Realignment."

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

The Pac or even staying in the Big 12 if they get a conference title game pretty much guarantees that one of Texas and Oklahoma would have a chance to play for the National Championship year in and year out with the future set up because they would win their league just about every year.

In the SEC they would get a difficult opponent just about every week and it would not be as easy as being in the situation they are now or going to the Pac

But...one loss in Big12 and you are probably out of title hunt (see KSU). One loss in SEC and you still can play for title (see Bama).

If you are a top 10 team...your shot at playing for the title is at least equal in the SEC vs Big12. As I said earlier, this doesn't apply to teams on the fringe of top 10 like WVU, but I don't believe for Tx and Ok the path to play for a title is necessarily harder in the SEC vs Big12.

Conversely...I do think it would be harder for a team like FSU to play for a title. Thats why I don't it would be smart for them to leave the ACC.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Coward. Using this logic we should try to get into the Pac 10 so we don't have any regional competition, or we can go independent and just declare victory. How about forming a UCONN intramural football league so UCONN never loses?

South Carolina / Clemson play every year. It is a huge rivalry game. Same with Florida / FSU. Those schools all hate each other but they make a ton of money off of the rivalry and one can easily argue that the rivalry helps fuel the schools desire to excel in the athletic arena.

Clearly you must think that BC is doing the right thing by not playing UCONN, I personally think BC is making a huge mistake by avoiding the rivalry.

The announced crowd for UCONN / UMASS this year was 35,000. The announced crowd for UCONN / NC State was 34,000. The best attended game at the Rent this season was the new rival that nobody wanted - Temple drew 37,000

BTW

UNC / Duke
USC / UCLA
Michigan / Michigan State
Auburn / Alabama
Oklahoma / Oklahoma State
Arizona / Arizona State
Washington / Washington State
Oregon / Oregon State
UVA / Virginia Tech
Texas / TCU / Texas Tech

I'm sure I am missing a bunch.

Agreed. The schools that fear local competition are freaking morons for it. Alabama -Auburn anyone? Have they won any recent titles? Only the last 4 in a row. I submit that BC sucks right now partly because they lack local competition (and made bad hires). It pushes you, it makes you strive. It helps sell tickets and creates a general atmosphere of interest in your team and in the region. That's what the old Big East did in basketball, it made everyone stronger. It works the same in football. Michigan is not harmed by Michigan State. Nor USC by UCLA.