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Kansas Facing Major Allegations

huskymedic said:
NCAA Notice of Allegations

Statement from Head Men’s Basketball Coach Bill Self:

“By the NCAA’s own admission through its public statements early this summer, it’s no secret that there is tremendous pressure on the NCAA to respond to the federal court proceedings involving college basketball. Compelled to reassure member institutions and the general public that it can police its member institutions, the NCAA enforcement staff has responded in an unnecessarily aggressive manner in submitting today’s unsubstantiated Notice of Allegations, and I, as well as the University, will vigorously dispute what has been alleged.

In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me and our basketball program. The narrative is based on innuendo, half-truths, misimpressions and mischaracterizations. In reality, we all know there is only one version of the truth. The truth is based on verifiable facts, and I am confident the facts we will demonstrate in our case will expose the inaccuracies of the enforcement staff’s narrative.

I have always taken pride in my commitment to rules compliance and led programs that operate with integrity and within the rules, and I am proud of the success that we have achieved at each program along the way. Every student-athlete who has ever played for me and their families know we follow the rules.

These allegations are serious and damaging to the University and to myself, and I hate that KU has to go through this process. With our staff’s full cooperation, these allegations will be addressed within NCAA procedures and with urgency and resolve. I will strenuously defend myself and the program, but I will respect the process and will not speak to the details of the case.”
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"In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me................"

Pretty aggressive comments from Self about the motives of the NCAA. Must be worried, or maybe thinks the best defense is a great offense.
 
Scrutiner said:
"In its haste and attempt to regain control, the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding me......"

Pretty aggressive comments from Self about the motives of the NCAA. Must be worried, or maybe thinks the best defense is a great offense.
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He's caught red handed. His only shot is smear the accuser.

 
Really this is just the tip of the iceberg. The whole NCAA system needs to be blown up. Get rid of 1- done. Get rid of the transfer portal and grad transfers. Cut the schedule to 24 games regular season. Eliminate the bs early season tournaments in exotic locations that draw flies for fans. Start the season on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Play all games on campus. And cap coaching salaries. And shut down Kansas Louisville Arizona and any other program famous for slime. Make them sit out s year like Kentucky did in the Fifties.
 
freescooter said:
Really this is just the tip of the iceberg. The whole NCAA system needs to be blown up. Get rid of 1- done. Get rid of the transfer portal and grad transfers. Cut the schedule to 24 games regular season. Eliminate the bs early season tournaments in exotic locations that draw flies for fans. Start the season on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Play all games on campus. And cap coaching salaries. And shut down Kansas Louisville Arizona and any other program famous for slime. Make them sit out s year like Kentucky did in the Fifties.
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Most of those things don't accomplish anything.
 
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intlzncster said:
Most of those things don't accomplish anything.
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Always had boosters and gamblers corrupting the system. There were always rogue coaches. But as the money got bigger the amount of rule breaking increased with more participating. Now it's systemic and organized. The networks had demonstrated how much money could be made in college sports and the universities wanted a piece of the action. So they set up their own sports platforms. They no longer have incentive to self regulate.

The networks, watching their profits erode, made a decision to limit the erosion. Hence the big discrepancy between the power 5 and the rest. Yes I know football dictates the money. But the universities who currently control the market are smart to ensure that the market stays confined. It's a perfect symbiotic relationship between the p5 universities and networks. Not complicit enough to warrant anti trust action but successful enough to keep the hungry satisfied so content is provided with the lions share of monies going to a smaller number of entities.

The shoe companies recognized this logic and wanted to steer players to a smaller number of their affiliated institutions so as contracts came up they could offer large monies to smaller and smaller numbers of institutions. They got caught and now the dirt is flying.

The NCAA has long been obsolete. They have been treading water for some time. They prolonged their vulnerability and sham oversight with the APR. They did what they could to stop the erosion but it was never going to happen. Too much money inertia. Whether they want to or not they feel they have to cater to the money.

The have nots have a couple of cards to play.

The first is Content. If they all united (probably won't happen because the weak rarely have the ability to stay together) all the universities outside of the P5 could end the NCAA oversight and band together as one entity with the idea of selling themselves to the highest bidder. To fight the football revenue "monopoly" this new group can then set up a system where they select 16 universities as "football programs" with no holds barred regarding academics or monies given to recruits. Like it or not that's the system that currently exists if not with every university certainly enough universities as to eliminate fairness. Time to stop pretending.

The institutions in this new entity not selected get a more equitable revenue sharing than currently exists. In addition there could be another number of universities at the B level who move up to the A level depending on performance and attendance with those not performing at the A level moving down. This would prevent the system from stagnating and offer other universities the opportunity to advance, something that is not available to them today. Now the P5 would be the cumbersome model with 100 or so teams fighting for football recruits as compared to 16 teams fighting for those same recruits. The 16 universities would have to be "subsidized" with monies from a new hungry media platform that has the vision to compete with contracts given to the P5. Certainly risky so I'm not holding my breath. But with high rollers like Bezos aggressively seeking content for his platform anything is possible.

The second is no longer pretending the system can be fixed. Even if people are too fearful on taking a chance with the above model removing oversight could severely damage the P5 and hence the networks that have propped up those universities. Boosters no longer restrained level the playing field when it comes to money dispersion. If several Pedunk University boosters start buying the better football players coming out of high school the P5 product starts to become poorer and the attending media contracts become less sustainable.
 
But, either way, the bottom line is this: it's really hard to envision a scenario where Kansas officials are able to successfully argue their program shouldn't be punished severely for the fact that Adidas officials were aggressively pursuing and executing deals for prospects in an attempt to ensure the apparel company's biggest basketball program remained atop the Big 12.

That doesn't mean they won't try, though.

www.cbssports.com

The NCAA is locked and loaded on Kansas, and it's probably not going to miss

The Jayhawks can cry foul all they want, but it's unlikely the noise will save them from punishment
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com
 
zls44 said:
He's so consistently so wrong about everything that Self will probably end up getting a raise.
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@HuskyHawk thinks he's getting canned, and while he knows way more than me in this, I just don't see it. Maybe the program gets dinged, but I'm betting Self just keeps on trucking.

Doubt Miller will get fired, or Wade, or whomever. Nobody cares.
 
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intlzncster said:
@HuskyHawk thinks he's getting canned, and while he knows way more than me in this, I just don't see it. Maybe the program gets dinged, but I'm betting Self just keeps on trucking.

Doubt Miller will get fired, or Wade, or whomever. Nobody cares.
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Just reporting what I was hearing. As for my personal thoughts, how much harder will the NCAA come down on KU if they don't fire Self? If they can buy one less year of tournament ban and some fewer reduced scholarships by bringing in a new coach, they will.

Adding @huskymedic
 
The reason that we all say "nothing will happen" is because nothing ever happens. If I'm Kansas, I fight this to the end. The only reason NOT to fight it is if it starts hurting recruiting, but that doesn't seem likely. If I'm a top recruit that wants to go to Kansas, why wouldn't I? Has any top recruit gotten screwed by going to a school that was in the NCAA's cross hairs (other than UConn).

I personally think we'll see a "from now on..." level-set. It'll be like the steroid era of baseball. Maybe fans will put an asterisk next to some names, but the NCAA will just chalk it up to "everyone was doing it, and it wouldn't be fair to current players and fans to enforce the rule against everyone." Of course the "everyone" is the big schools that have the NCAA captive.

What I wonder if payments are still happening at an institutional (sneaker) level. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some movement in recruiting away from institutional cheaters (getting money from Nike/Adidas), back to old-school booster cheaters. That may shift some money-seeking talent (or maybe it won't).
 
Nothing new here, folks: the NCAA is a shady place.

As others have noted before, double standards abound with the NCAA: UNC got away with blind robbery over a sustained, 20-year period; Reggie Bush and USC were given the death knell for their transgression, meanwhile Ohio State did far, far worse (involving its coach and more players) but were given a minor slap on the wrist.
 
freescooter said:
Actually they would but like most fans you’d prefer to keep things as they are even though you complain about the way they are.
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The only things you mentioned that would affect booster money, sneaker money, AAU influence, "agents", etc, in today's day and age were:
  • Get rid of 1- done.
  • And shut down Kansas Louisville Arizona and any other program famous for slime. Make them sit out s year like Kentucky did in the Fifties.

These have no impact on booster money, sneaker money, AAU influence, "agents":
  • Get rid of the transfer portal and grad transfers.
  • Cut the schedule to 24 games regular season.
  • Eliminate the bs early season tournaments in exotic locations that draw flies for fans.
  • Start the season on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
  • Play all games on campus.

No sure what you're trying to accomplish with this one, but it won't change any coach's modus operandi:
  • And cap coaching salaries.

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Simply stated, admit that the P5 and a few other G5 athletic programs are a professional sports organization focused on making money, not promoting academics. Separate men's basketball and football (possibly men's hockey, women's basketball, men's soccer, men's lacrosse, and baseball, too) from direct university control (maybe license agreements to use a university's name or something can be put in place). This would move everything above the table as we see in the NFL, NBA, NHL, etc. The US is the only country where this academic sports model exists. The Sorboone, McGill, Oxford, etc. do not run athletic budgets in the tens-of-millions. Sports is a business. The Ivy League basically did this 50 years ago, survived, and continue to do well. Thus, it is feasible. Of course, that some universities may have to let go a huge part of their identity and focus back on academics, which should be a good thing.

Devolve the NCAA back to what it was with respect to an oversight organization responsible for promoting and ensuring fairness of college athletics with a focus on non-revenue sports and programs (DII and DIII).

Of course, with the billions of dollars on the table (and millions below it), this will not happen.
 
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Self and KU have been charged and says the allegations are false and he will fight them. He knew nothing.
 
intlzncster said:
@HuskyHawk thinks he's getting canned, and while he knows way more than me in this, I just don't see it. Maybe the program gets dinged, but I'm betting Self just keeps on trucking.

Doubt Miller will get fired, or Wade, or whomever. Nobody cares.
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FWIW, when I said always wrong, I meant Wolken.

They all hated JC because he was a jerk in press conferences. Pitino and Self are straight-up shoveling cash and hookers but GOSH HE WAS ALWAYS GOOD FOR A GOOD QUOTE
 
intlzncster said:
The only things you mentioned that would affect booster money, sneaker money, AAU influence, "agents", etc, in today's day and age were:
  • Get rid of 1- done.
  • And shut down Kansas Louisville Arizona and any other program famous for slime. Make them sit out s year like Kentucky did in the Fifties.

These have no impact on booster money, sneaker money, AAU influence, "agents":
  • Get rid of the transfer portal and grad transfers.
  • Cut the schedule to 24 games regular season.
  • Eliminate the bs early season tournaments in exotic locations that draw flies for fans.
  • Start the season on the Saturday after Thanksgiving.
  • Play all games on campus.

No sure what this is trying to accomplish with this one, but it won't change any coach's modus operandi:
  • And cap coaching salaries.

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Do you want us to eliminate dunking and the 3pt line too?

The NCAA just needs to give the death penalty for this type of action. And be consistent about it in case if ever happens again.
 
zls44 said:
FWIW, when I said always wrong, I meant Wolken.

They all hated JC because he was a jerk in press conferences. Pitino and Self are straight-up shoveling cash and hookers but GOSH HE WAS ALWAYS GOOD FOR A GOOD QUOTE
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He wasn’t a jerk he was passionate about his job. Don’t disrespect the GOAT ever
 
CTBasketball said:
Do you want us to eliminate dunking and the 3pt line too?

The NCAA just needs to give the death penalty for this type of action. And be consistent about it in case if ever happens again.
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I’d be ok with that but Kansas will get at worst a 1 year post season ban have a few records vacated (kinda the NCAAs version of taking a drivers license away from a 14 year old) and Self will be suspended for a bunch of games. Has UL been penalized at all for its effort at buying players while on probation?
 
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Steelerone said:
If there is one person out there who truly believes that the NCAA is going to hand down any major penalties to Kansas - I am getting together a poker game Saturday night and I really want you there.
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This is right about the time when the world finds out Alabama A&T was paying a walk-on to improve the team GPA.

Kansas will get swept under the rug in all the headlines.
 
Calhoun didn't play their game, in many of our institutions you have to kiss arse and shovel s***. Calhoun was never about that and many of these empty suits were always waiting to take him out.

Self, K, Roy, Pitino etc. all play the game.
 
superjohn said:
Calhoun didn't play their game, in many of our institutions you have to kiss arse and shovel s***. Calhoun was never about that and many of these empty suits were always waiting to take him out.

Self, K, Roy, Pitino etc. all play the game.
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I loved him for that but it did have a downside.
 
You guys, Gary Parrish wants you to know that this is SERIOUS and the NCAA has ALWAYS BEEN SERIOUS

 
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