Jose Iglesias

[Husky25]

I don't like the trade. I had visions of Iglesias out at shortstop for the next 10 years or more. He is one of the best fielding shortstops in a long while and I think he will learn to hit enough to stay in the lineup. Bogaerts is going to be a great hitter but he is not know for his defense. Peavy's best years are behind him. The trade tells me that Buchholtz is not going to pitch this year. I would have been willing to forgo the playoffs this year and let guys like Workman and Britton get some experience.

Not according to the Pawtucket Red Sox Play by Play announcer...

 

[Jerry1714]

I think the Sox got a little desperate and I'm not a big fan of Peavy. He hasn't been healthy 3 of the last 4 years and pitching in late fall in the Northeast is a lot different than San Diego in August. I think Chicago sold high on him and got potentially got a very good SS out of it.

Additionally....

1) The Sox banked on Middlebrooks being ready and that hasn't worked out as planned.
2) The Sox kept Bradley up to start the season, lost some contract fluff and timing and that hasn't worked out as planned.
3) Here, they now hope Bogaerts will be MLB ready very soon on a contending team. We'll see how it turns out.

I do not get the point of this? Also, the White Sox didnt get Inglesias.

Additionally, do you think Peavy only pitched at home during the fall while in SD? Or how about his last three years in Chicago? If you look up his stats it will show that he has been very solid in Sept and Oct and in April while in Chicago.

I am not saying it is a great move, but the only valid point you made in the whole post was his injury history.

 

[mauconnfan]

Okay thats the impression I got.

Do you think Bogaerts is a better bet than Inglesias? Oh yeah of course because that's who they kept........

Inglesias can flat out throw the leather around and really has the best hands I've seen in ages. His hitting looked to be better although very little pop......but he was a keeper I thought in a solid lineup where he could hide!

 

[Jerry1714]

Do you think Bogaerts is a better bet than Inglesias? Oh yeah of course because that's who they kept........

Inglesias can flat out throw the leather around and really has the best hands I've seen in ages. His hitting looked to be better although very little pop......but he was a keeper I thought in a solid lineup where he could hide!

Who knows who will end being better but Bogaerts was and is a more highly rated prospect.

Entering 2013, Bogaerts ranked 20th in the MLB.com Top 100 Prospects list,[4] and 8th in the Baseball America Top 100 Prospects list.

Entering 2013, Iglesias is ranked as the 10th best prospect in the Red Sox organization[7] and ranks 96th in the MLB.com Top 100 Prospects list.[8

 

[ddminct]

Do you think Bogaerts is a better bet than Inglesias? Oh yeah of course because that's who they kept........

Inglesias can flat out throw the leather around and really has the best hands I've seen in ages. His hitting looked to be better although very little pop......but he was a keeper I thought in a solid lineup where he could hide!

I know this is your thing too. But if you could make he deal for Peavy and you could keep Bogaerts or Iglesias who would you keep?

And listening to Boston radio today I would say the majority of fans want to drive the bus over Cherrington.

 

[mauconnfan]

I know this is your thing too. But if you could make he deal for Peavy and you could keep Bogaerts or Iglesias who would you keep?

And listening to Boston radio today I would say the majority of fans want to drive the bus over Cherrington.

Not sure what "my thing is" but if I were the Sox I would have traded Bogaerts for Cliff Lee and then I would have a stopper, not another 4.29 ERA guy ................

But I could care less what they do honestly and if you guys are happy I'm happy

 

[Deepster]

I do not get the point of this? Also, the White Sox didnt get Inglesias.

Additionally, do you think Peavy only pitched at home during the fall while in SD? Or how about his last three years in Chicago? If you look up his stats it will show that he has been very solid in Sept and Oct and in April while in Chicago.

I am not saying it is a great move, but the only valid point you made in the whole post was his injury history.

In 2012, he had 1 CWS home start after Sept 15th.
In 2011, he had 0.
In 2010, he had 0.

In 2012, his post September starts were:

9/5 - Minnesota at home
9/11 - Detroit at home
9/16 - @ Minnesota
9/21 - @ LAA
9/27 - TB at home
10/2 - @ Cleveland

So, in the last 3 years, he's had games @ Minn, TB at home and @ Cleveland once the weather got colder. Mind you, he's a couple years removed from having his shoulder muscle pretty much tear completely away from his shoulder bone. Good luck when it's 40 degrees at first pitch in the playoffs.

 

[Dogdeacon]

So, in the last 3 years, he's had games @ Minn, TB at home and @ Cleveland once the weather got colder. Mind you, he's a couple years removed from having his shoulder muscle pretty much tear completely away from his shoulder bone. Good luck when it's 40 degrees at first pitch in the playoffs.

I think that's the point though. With him they get to the playoffs. Other narrative emerging is that Buccholz is out indefinitely so they were somewhat forced to make a deal to stay in contention.

That's also what I don't like about it. It seems to be a deal to be competitive, not necessarily to be champions. But if they call up Xander and truly go for it then I think it'll prove to be worth it for at least this year.

Mostly what I think fans miss out on is getting to watch a talented prospect emerge. If they can replace him immediately with an equal or greater talented prospect with better odds to emerge, then of course I'm good.

 

[Jerry1714]

In 2012, he had 1 CWS home start after Sept 15th.
In 2011, he had 0.
In 2010, he had 0.

In 2012, his post September starts were:

9/5 - Minnesota at home
9/11 - Detroit at home
9/16 - @ Minnesota
9/21 - @ LAA
9/27 - TB at home
10/2 - @ Cleveland

So, in the last 3 years, he's had games @ Minn, TB at home and @ Cleveland once the weather got colder. Mind you, he's a couple years removed from having his shoulder muscle pretty much tear completely away from his shoulder bone. Good luck when it's 40 degrees at first pitch in the playoffs.

Thing is he will be pitching in the playoffs. Cant say that for anyone on the Yankees

 

[mauconnfan]

Thing is he will be pitching in the playoffs. Cant say that for anyone on the Yankees

You sure about that Jer? I know one ting for sure, a couple games out of the wild card is a heck of a lot better than the Sox were last year so you certainly know about NOT being in the playoffs but don't remember quite what it's like to win anything!!

By the way Deep's a Mets fan.....

 

[Jerry1714]

You sure about that Jer? I know one ting for sure, a couple games out of the wild card is a heck of a lot better than the Sox were last year so you certainly know about NOT being in the playoffs but don't remember quite what it's like to win anything!!

By the way Deep's a Mets fan.....

I do remember last year. I also remember 2004 and 2007. But 2004 was especially nice.

Do you think the Yanks make the playoffs?

Also, Deep being a Mets fan explains his stupidity but does not excuse it. Fung Wah indeed.

 

[60'sfan]

If it were me, I would have done nothing. As much as I like Peavy (and I think he will fit in with the team very well), his best years are behind him and Iglesias' best years are in front of him. My dreams of watching Pedroia and Iglesias play the middle of the infield for the next 10 years are shattered. I could have lived with missing the playoffs this year. The Sox have some very good pitching talent already here (Workman, Britton) and on the way up (Ranaudo, Owens, De La Rosa, Webster and perhaps Uconn's own Barnes). I would be content with someone else making the playoffs as long as it wasn't the Yankees.

 

[Jerry1714]

If it were me, I would have done nothing. As much as I like Peavy (and I think he will fit in with the team very well), his best years are behind him and Iglesias' best years are in front of him. My dreams of watching Pedroia and Iglesias play the middle of the infield for the next 10 years are shattered. I could have lived with missing the playoffs this year. The Sox have some very good pitching talent already here (Workman, Britton) and on the way up (Ranaudo, Owens, De La Rosa, Webster and perhaps Uconn's own Barnes). I would be content with someone else making the playoffs as long as it wasn't the Yankees.

I could not disagree with this sentient more. The Sox are in great position this year to win a title, they need SP badly and they made a deal to win help them win the title now. The goal of the team is to win a championship, if you have a chance you go for it. Who knows if in the future they will have this chance again? Maybe its 2006 all over again where injuries decimate the team next year? Maybe one or two is career ending? You never know what will happen in the future that is why you try to win now if you can.

The Sox did not risk the future of this team with the trade. Iglesias is a great great fielder, but he struggles at the plate. With Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Cecchini and Marrero there was a good choice your dream of watching Pedrioa and Iglesias play the middle of the infield was never going to happen. There had to be an odd man out, it was Iglesias.

 

[mauconnfan]

I do remember last year. I also remember 2004 and 2007. But 2004 was especially nice.

Do you think the Yanks make the playoffs?

Also, Deep being a Mets fan explains his stupidity but does not excuse it. Fung Wah indeed.

Maybe I'm a little older because I remember 77, 78, 96, 98, 99, 00, 09..........Bucky Dent, Aaron Boone were especially nice.........

No, I doubt the Yanks make it but the fact they're in it with the issues at hand says a lot........

 

[The Viking]

Do you think Bogaerts is a better bet than Inglesias? Oh yeah of course because that's who they kept........

Inglesias can flat out throw the leather around and really has the best hands I've seen in ages. His hitting looked to be better although very little pop......but he was a keeper I thought in a solid lineup where he could hide!

Do you actually think Iglesias is a better prospect than Bogaerts? If so, you might the only person on earth.

Iglesias is great with the glove and he was showing a little bit of improvement in the strike zone and in making contact but he still wasn't even a doubles guy let alone HR guy. If Bogaerts wasn't knocking on the door they would have held on to Iglesias, but between Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Cecchini and Iglesias, there was a squeeze coming up on the left side of the infield in the next 1-2 years. Someone had to go. Of the 4, I would have preferred to send Middlebrooks, but Detroit wanted a SS so they got one.

 

[The Viking]

I think that's the point though. With him they get to the playoffs. Other narrative emerging is that Buccholz is out indefinitely so they were somewhat forced to make a deal to stay in contention.

That's also what I don't like about it. It seems to be a deal to be competitive, not necessarily to be champions. But if they call up Xander and truly go for it then I think it'll prove to be worth it for at least this year.

Mostly what I think fans miss out on is getting to watch a talented prospect emerge. If they can replace him immediately with an equal or greater talented prospect with better odds to emerge, then of course I'm good.

If you get to the playoffs you have a shot at being WS champions. Who would have thought SF would have won 2 in 3 years?
I sure as hell trust Peavy to help us down the stretch than Dempster. I just hope Dempster doesn't suck enough down the stretch where we get to trade him for some kind of value to an NL team in the offseason.

 

[The Viking]

I think the Sox got a little desperate and I'm not a big fan of Peavy. He hasn't been healthy 3 of the last 4 years and pitching in late fall in the Northeast is a lot different than San Diego in August. I think Chicago sold high on him and got potentially got a very good SS out of it.

Additionally....

1) The Sox banked on Middlebrooks being ready and that hasn't worked out as planned.
2) The Sox kept Bradley up to start the season, lost some contract fluff and timing and that hasn't worked out as planned.
3) Here, they now hope Bogaerts will be MLB ready very soon on a contending team. We'll see how it turns out.

He pitched in Chicago, which can be cold in spring and fall. I'm not sure the weather thing is as big a deal as you're making it. No hitter likes to hit in the cold either. I dont remember too many instances where a GM backed away from a player because of how the player would handle the weather in the new city.

I agree with you he has health issues, although the one good thing for Sox fans is that last year he put up 219 innings and had a hell of a year. 3.37 era, 1.09 whip and he finished 10th in the AL in FIP, just ahead of Weaver and Kuroda.
As for this year, yes his era is 4.28. But if you take out his worst start of the year - the one in which he pitched with a fractured rib- his ERA isn't quite as bad. Going into that start, he had a 3.62 era and a 1.09 whip through the first 10 starts of the year.

So in closing with Peavy, he is still a very good pitcher, a very solid 3 and if healthy down the stretch maybe even a 2. Health will be the question. The good news is his injury this year wasn't arm related.

Also keep in mind that they also have him under control for all of 2014 AND the fact that they can give him a qualifying offer and get a draft pick out of it should he leave after 2014, that makes it even better. Neither of those things apply to the rangers who traded for Garza, who will be a FA in a few months. And they can't offer him a QO and will get no draft pick when he leaves.

 

[mauconnfan]

He pitched in Chicago, which can be cold in spring and fall. I'm not sure the weather thing is as big a deal as you're making it. No hitter likes to hit in the cold either. I dont remember too many instances where a GM backed away from a player because of how the player would handle the weather in the new city.

I agree with you he has health issues, although the one good thing for Sox fans is that last year he put up 219 innings and had a hell of a year. 3.37 era, 1.09 whip and he finished 10th in the AL in FIP, just ahead of Weaver and Kuroda.
As for this year, yes his era is 4.28. But if you take out his worst start of the year - the one in which he pitched with a fractured rib- his ERA isn't quite as bad. Going into that start, he had a 3.62 era and a 1.09 whip through the first 10 starts of the year.

So in closing with Peavy, he is still a very good pitcher, a very solid 3 and if healthy down the stretch maybe even a 2. Health will be the question. The good news is his injury this year wasn't arm related.

Also keep in mind that they also have him under control for all of 2014 AND the fact that they can give him a qualifying offer and get a draft pick out of it should he leave after 2014, that makes it even better. Neither of those things apply to the rangers who traded for Garza, who will be a FA in a few months. And they can't offer him a QO and will get no draft pick when he leaves.

Viking throw all the numbers and FIP's you want out Peavy is a decent starter with good experience. He has an ERA closer to Phil Hughes than Kuroda so please give that a rest!! They needed another solid guy and they got one. He's like Dempster, some nice games some rough games. But he'll give you innings.......the hope is always he gets a shot of adrenaline by joining a good team for the run!

 

[mauconnfan]

Do you actually think Iglesias is a better prospect than Bogaerts? If so, you might the only person on earth.

Iglesias is great with the glove and he was showing a little bit of improvement in the strike zone and in making contact but he still wasn't even a doubles guy let alone HR guy. If Bogaerts wasn't knocking on the door they would have held on to Iglesias, but between Bogaerts, Middlebrooks, Cecchini and Iglesias, there was a squeeze coming up on the left side of the infield in the next 1-2 years. Someone had to go. Of the 4, I would have preferred to send Middlebrooks, but Detroit wanted a SS so they got one.

Really have no clue - think I ever watched either of them before Inglesias came to the majors? "potential" is always that until they get there! Most of you guys were singing Jose's praises after that great start so now he's traded and it's Bogaerts.........you're Sox fans I'm good with that!

 

[The Viking]

Viking throw all the numbers and FIP's you want out Peavy is a decent starter with good experience. He has an ERA closer to Phil Hughes than Kuroda so please give that a rest!! They needed another solid guy and they got one. He's like Dempster, some nice games some rough games. But he'll give you innings.......the hope is always he gets a shot of adrenaline by joining a good team for the run!

Here are some more numbers, if you take out the game where he pitched with a broken rib, his ERA is 3.73. I'll take my chances with him the rest of this year and next year.

 

[The Viking]

Really have no clue - think I ever watched either of them before Inglesias came to the majors? "potential" is always that until they get there! Most of you guys were singing Jose's praises after that great start so now he's traded and it's Bogaerts.........you're Sox fans I'm good with that!

You can sing someones praises and still think someone's better.

All scouts and GM's drool over Bogaerts. All the minor league "experts" put him in top 5, some in the top 2 or 3 prospects in all of baseball. This isn't some kid who is still 2-3 years away. He could be called up tomorrow.

Of course you never know til someone proves it on the field but if that were the case teams would be trading all their top prospects for any decent major leaguer. Why don't you see that happen? Because their is a projection for prospects on what their ceiling could be and the risk of an elite prospect flaming out is much less than some guy rated 80th or 90th in the minors. Xander is a top 5 guy. And Keith Law thinks his fielding is actually pretty good and now thinks he'll stick at SS where his offensive value is much higher.

Bogaerts is the youngest player to play at Pawtucket ever and he's doing pretty damn good. In 158 at bats he's got a .380 OBP with 8 HR's. He's still 20 freaking years old. The average age in AAA is 27.

I mean at some point it's OK to make a safe evaluation that Bogaerts is going to have a much better career than Iglesias regardless of how great Iglesias's glove is. And I was a huge fan of Jose's glove. But watching him hit the past month has been painful. I think he had the worst or second-worst OPS in the majors. Eventually his hitting luck was going to run out as many expected and he came crashing down to earth.

 

[60'sfan]

You can sing someones praises and still think someone's better.

All scouts and GM's drool over Bogaerts. All the minor league "experts" put him in top 5, some in the top 2 or 3 prospects in all of baseball. This isn't some kid who is still 2-3 years away. He could be called up tomorrow.

Of course you never know til someone proves it on the field but if that were the case teams would be trading all their top prospects for any decent major leaguer. Why don't you see that happen? Because their is a projection for prospects on what their ceiling could be and the risk of an elite prospect flaming out is much less than some guy rated 80th or 90th in the minors. Xander is a top 5 guy. And Keith Law thinks his fielding is actually pretty good and now thinks he'll stick at SS where his offensive value is much higher.

Bogaerts is the youngest player to play at Pawtucket ever and he's doing pretty damn good. In 158 at bats he's got a .380 OBP with 8 HR's. He's still 20 freaking years old. The average age in AAA is 27.

I mean at some point it's OK to make a safe evaluation that Bogaerts is going to have a much better career than Iglesias regardless of how great Iglesias's glove is. And I was a huge fan of Jose's glove. But watching him hit the past month has been painful. I think he had the worst or second-worst OPS in the majors. Eventually his hitting luck was going to run out as many expected and he came crashing down to earth.

I think Bogaerts is going to be a star. Sometimes you have to listen to the scouts and not necessarily look at the stats. Hanley Ramirez in his last full year in the minors hit a modest .271 with only 6 HR's at AA Portland. In fact the most he hit in the minors in one season was 8 even though the scouts were saying he was a five-tool player. Bogaerts is a year younger and an inch taller at the same stage of his career as Hanley.

 

[Deepster]

For me, it was never a matter of Bogaerts vs Iglesias. It's a matter of giving up a solid, young SS with good potential and possible Gold Gloves in his future....for Jake Peavy.

The comments, from Sox fans, on Peavy are things like: If he can stay healthy....if he can eat innings...he's a decent 3 starter. Meh.

 

[sinkhole]

I don't like the move for Boston. An injury prone #3 making 16 mil for a top 50 ss. Cliff Lee was the move I was dreading. He's 7-3 2.52 in the playoffs and owns Tampa. ts

 

[mauconnfan]

Here are some more numbers, if you take out the game where he pitched with a broken rib, his ERA is 3.73. I'll take my chances with him the rest of this year and next year.

He's okay I agree, but that's it. Better than Dempster by a slight margin, maybe one better outing every 4-5 starts......he'll help I agree.

 

[mauconnfan]

I don't like the move for Boston. An injury prone #3 making 16 mil for a top 50 ss. Cliff Lee was the move I was dreading. He's 7-3 2.52 in the playoffs and owns Tampa. ts

If I were in sinkholes spot I would agree with him. Lee would've made me go "Awww duckk"......but Peavy probably has him thinking okay let's go!

 

[Waquoit]

Sox fans who's opinions I respect like the deal. They improved the team for the final push without mortgaging the future. Good job.

 

[sinkhole]

If I were in sinkholes spot I would agree with him. Lee would've made me go "Awww duckk"......but Peavy probably has him thinking okay let's go!

I don't think any team in the AL is scared of Boston's starters in a short series. The team that's scares me is Detroit, not real thrilled with the Sox sending a gold glove caliber SS to solidify the Tiger infield.

 

[Jerry1714]

I don't like the move for Boston. An injury prone #3 making 16 mil for a top 50 ss. Cliff Lee was the move I was dreading. He's 7-3 2.52 in the playoffs and owns Tampa. ts

Cliff lee was never happening, too much salary too high of an asking price. The sox were not giving up bogearts plus more prospects that the phillies wanted.

Adding peavy also allowed the sox to add workman to the bullpen in long relief, a spot they needed after losing miller.

I'll take the sox offense with Lester, Buch, peavy and lackey versus any team.

 

[Waquoit]

I don't think any team in the AL is scared of Boston's starters in a short series. The team that's scares me is Detroit, not real thrilled with the Sox sending a gold glove caliber SS to solidify the Tiger infield.

I get the feeling Rays fans think a 23-4 streak is their true team.