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AntG168 said:
You said half the team. I didnt insinuate anything i toom you at your word. If you meant returning players than say returning players. I dont fight every negative comment i fight the ignorant ones. And i must say im suprised at you. Your reasoning for comparing ollie to diaco was clear. Ollie also has similarities to great coaches. So why only bring up diaco. Easy, because you were insinuating they were more alike than different. If not then why bring it up? I disagree that ollie and diaco are similar in any significant way
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Please nobody is counting players out of eligiblity in the denominator when calculating transfers... maybe you know... because they can't transfer?

16-17. 0-7 against tournament teams. Worst team in 30 years. Exodus of players. Little help coming.

Gee where would I ever get the idea to compare this tire fire to the football tire fire of the last 3 years?

They are totally different - everything is fine. The roster next year is worse than the roster this year but something something something they are good.
 
whaler11 said:
Please nobody is counting players out of eligiblity in the denominator when calculating transfers... maybe you know... because they can't transfer?

16-17. 0-7 against tournament teams. Worst team in 30 years. Exodus of players. Little help coming.

Gee where would I ever get the idea to compare this tire fire to the football tire fire of the last 3 years?

They are totally different - everything is fine. The roster next year is worse than the roster this year but something something something they are good.
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LOST CAUSE
 
whaler11 said:
Please nobody is counting players out of eligiblity in the denominator when calculating transfers... maybe you know... because they can't transfer?

16-17. 0-7 against tournament teams. Worst team in 30 years. Exodus of players. Little help coming.

Gee where would I ever get the idea to compare this tire fire to the football tire fire of the last 3 years?

They are totally different - everything is fine. The roster next year is worse than the roster this year but something something something they are good.
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They are totally different, my friend. I'm sorry but they are.

I can't comment too deeply on the transfers because everyone has to do what's right for them. But last season was the first time Ollie didn't win 20 games. And there's that small matter of winning a national championship that some might choose to view as a positive.

Is everything roses and daisies right now? No. But comparing Ollie to Diaco is criminal. If Ollie is let go today, he will be a head coach at a respected D1 school tomorrow (or possibly a low level NBA team), unlike Diaco who is now back as a coordinator. Diaco was the worst football head coach I have ever seen. Like...ever...
 
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whaler11 said:
Why don't you bookmark this one and we can check back in 24 months and then decide who was the lost cause.

I've seen this show before. I know how it ends.
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You Know How It Ends.

Keep make ridiculous comments. Ive already book marked it
 
I honestly hope Ollie makes it. He led us to a NC and was JC's chosen successor. But more important than that, what I care about is UCONN making it. If that means Ollie needs to go, then I'm 100% in favor of it. Let's face it - Ollie is a great story - all those seasons on different NBA teams, impacting some of the best in the world, taking over a storied program, being JC's chosen one, winning a NC right out the gate, courted by NBA teams as a HC... All great stuff.

But bottom line is I'm a UCONN fan. IF the guy is a train wreck (and I'm NOT saying he is), and he can't effectively lead UCONN, then I want him gone.

This past season was a disaster. Then firing Miller, losing 3 players to transfer, the negative comments by the player's dads - what's worse than a "disaster"? Whatever it is, that's where we are.

I'm rooting for Ollie to take UCONN to great heights, but if he can't do it, and isn't the right guy for the job, then we need to get someone in there who can do it. Simple as that. Not sure how much time he will be given, but at this point, he's living on borrowed time, and the future looks somewhat bleak.
 
AntG168 said:
You Know How It Ends.

Keep make ridiculous comments. Ive already book marked it
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Like I told you at the beginning - people pull punches and don't share what they think because dogmatic posters like you shout them down with emotional responses.

Trust me I'm far from the only one who is coming to the realization this may be (in your words) a lost cause.

If you haven't paid attention to sports well enough or long enough to recognize patterns - that's on you, not me.
 
ericsandiego said:
I honestly hope Ollie makes it. He led us to a NC and was JC's chosen successor. But more important than that, what I care about is UConn making it. If that means Ollie needs to go, then I'm 100% in favor of it. Let's face it - Ollie is a great story - all those seasons on different NBA teams, impacting some of the best in the world, taking over a storied program, being JC's chosen one, winning a NC right out the gate, courted by NBA teams as a HC... All great stuff.

But bottom line is I'm a UConn fan. IF the guy is a train wreck (and I'm NOT saying he is), and he can't effectively lead UConn, then I want him gone.

This past season was a disaster. Then firing Miller, losing 3 players to transfer, the negative comments by the player's dads - what's worse than a "disaster"? Whatever it is, that's where we are.

I'm rooting for Ollie to take UConn to great heights, but if he can't do it, and isn't the right guy for the job, then we need to get someone in there who can do it. Simple as that. Not sure how much time he will be given, but at this point, he's living on borrowed time, and the future looks somewhat bleak.
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Refreshingly honest.
 
whaler11 said:
Like I told you at the beginning - people pull punches and don't share what they think because dogmatic posters like you shout them down with emotional responses.

Trust me I'm far from the only one who is coming to the realization this may be (in your words) a lost cause.

If you haven't paid attention to sports well enough or long enough to recognize patterns - that's on you, not me.
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There are too many people here who believe that the coaches and their respective programs do not deserve any level of scrutiny. I'm still amazed at how many people are trying to paint the current situation as positive when we are clearly in a downward spiral. The only question left to be answered is why are we spiraling? Did we just stall and need to get the plane righted or did the wings get shot off? For a while I thought it might be the former but articles like this make it seem like the latter.
 
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whaler11 said:
Like I told you at the beginning - people pull punches and don't share what they think because dogmatic posters like you shout them down with emotional responses.

Trust me I'm far from the only one who is coming to the realization this may be (in your words) a lost cause.

If you haven't paid attention to sports well enough or long enough to recognize patterns - that's on you, not me.
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I didnt shout you down. I asked for proof of your claims and you didnt provide any. End of story
 
AntG168 said:
I didnt shout you down. I asked for proof of your claims and you didnt provide any. End of story
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You're on this board often enough to see where the whispers come from. Don't lower your intelligence level to try and win an argument. You're asking for concrete evidence that is not likely to be found unless you wiretapped players phones or got access to their texts.
 
JMick said:
You're on this board often enough to see where the whispers come from. Don't lower your intelligence level to try and win an argument. You're asking for concrete evidence that is not likely to be found unless you wiretapped players phones or got access to their texts.
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That isn't what this about. He compared Ollie to Diaco because he claims ollie "preaches" love but doesnt show it. Thats pure unfounded speculation. The players that transfered sited their reasons as being the way they were being used. Vance went out of his way to say how good a guy ollie was. If you want to say ollie didnt utilize guys correctly or re recruited the wrong guy cool. You can use evidence to back that up. But to use rap lyrics in a tweet to insinuate ollie was "fake" with his players is dumb.
 
AntG168 said:
That isn't what this about. He compared Ollie to Diaco because he claims ollie "preaches" love but doesnt show it. Thats pure unfounded speculation
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Three players left, and MAL de-committed. And apparently Ollie didn't show up in person for MAL after he committed, even though he's right in New England and was our most important recruit. Does that sound like showing love to you? Because it sure as hell doesn't sound like it to me.
 
JMick said:
Three players left, and MAL de-committed. And apparently Ollie didn't show up in person for MAL after he committed, even though he's right in New England and was our most important recruit. Does that sound like showing love to you? Because it sure as hell doesn't sound like it to me.
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Once again the transfers never once stated their reasons for leaving were because they didnt get alomg with ollie. That is unfounded speculation. They sited they way they were being used, developed as the reason. He didnt go see MAL after he committed. Idk what that was about and im not claiming to. But you provided more evidence with MAL than he did the entire time. And we still dont know if thats why he decomitted
 
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AntG168 said:
Once again the transfers never once stated their reasons for leaving were because they didnt get alomg with ollie. That is unfounded speculation. They sited they way they were being used, developed as the reason. He didnt go see MAL after he committed. Idk what that was about and im not claiming to. But you provided more evidence with MAL than he did the entire time. And we still dont know if thats why he decomitted
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And again, you're looking for some sort of proof that is literally impossible to get unless you're a fly on the wall or obscenely connected.

Regardless, does it matter why they left? Whether they didn't like Ollie or they thought he couldn't coach (which has been expressed here) it's a major problem regardless.
 
AntG168 said:
I dont understand how your the first one to call out that nonsense. A professional journalist shouldnt even imply such things with ZERO eveidence to back it up. That was jeff jacobs "piling on"
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I was going to but my cat insisted I play with him. It was a far more compelling thing to do then to expose the nonsense of JJ. I've done it in the past and I have a thing about repeating inane and useless tasks. Useless as in Blauds and JJ and the ilk are more likely trying to foment reactions as much as searching for answers. If people don't know this by now dot dot dot.

Well there is one thing that I repeat that is inane and useless. But I don't think there is anything else.
 
JMick said:
And again, you're looking for some sort of proof that is literally impossible to get unless you're a fly on the wall or obscenely connected.

Regardless, does it matter why they left? Whether they didn't like Ollie or they thought he couldn't coach (which has been expressed here) it's a major problem regardless.
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So if you cant get the proof then how can someone present it as fact? Its dishonest.

And i agree with this. It doesn't ultimately matter why. But what is important is to not make up stories based on purvis tweeting a drake lyric. Because thats clearly what happened here and it happens far too often on this board. When you combine the fake news with the actual issues it is overwhelming. So i've decided to challenge the fake news
 
aceboon said:
You read it that way because you wanted to read it that way, the reference to Giffey was already addressed in the Amore article.
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I didn't see that article.
 
The last few articles and the accompanying quotes from folks in and around the program - on and off the record - are as blatant an example of 'setting up the scaffold' as you'll get in sports.

There's obviously a lot going on - but almost all of it has a lot to do with almost everything Ollie. His emotional state, how he interacts with peers, his shortcomings, relationship with parents in his program, his relationship with players - communications issues everywhere. I mean *all of these things* are more or less discussed in Jacobs and Amore's pieces. It's not like people are being quiet about anything. And not to go into low blow land, but yeah - Ollie also got a divorce. There's a pretty significant relationship that took a toll on him in a variety of ways - but also fits neatly (maybe too conveniently 0 and yes, you can crap on me for bringing it up because saying it makes me want to take a shower) into the narrative that Ollie's got a lot going on right now - and not in a good way. The fact that AD Dave is meeting with him on 'future plans' etc - is a pretty bad indicator that the institution wants to - at the very least - know what's up.

I really, really, really, really want Ollie to figure it out. And yeah - he's had a lot of obstacles thrown in his way. But looking at the consistent trends of not only what we're seeing on the floor - but the drumbeat coming from a number of people around the program - it's all pointing fingers at him. And it's not about his recruiting. It's not about his X's and O's. These aren't constructive criticisms of his technical coaching skills. They're kind of going at his leadership. They're going at how he communicates. There's some punches and digs on his integrity. I mean every which way you slice it, it just feels like Ollie's got a lot of personal relationship problems right now - and that to me - is the really concerning part. This doesn't seem to be a coaching thing. This is seems to be a personal thing.
 
Richmondhsky said:
Most don't have a clue of what goes on therefore any program that relies on message boards is bond for failure. Do message boards know what goes on in your job? Unlikely.
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I've mentioned I'm retired. So likely. JJ doesn't have to canvas this forum for facts. He has contacts. He canvases this forum for hot button topics. We're a breeding ground for emotional bullet points relative to the men's team.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
Well there is one thing that I repeat that is inane and useless. But I don't think there is anything else.
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Do you mean incessant psychoanalysis of people that don't want to be psychoanalyzed, or of situations that don't warrant psychoanalysis ;)
 
Towney007 said:
The last few articles and the accompanying quotes from folks in and around the program - on and off the record - are as blatant an example of 'setting up the scaffold' as you'll get in sports.

There's obviously a lot going on - but almost all of it has a lot to do with almost everything Ollie. His emotional state, how he interacts with peers, his shortcomings, relationship with parents in his program, his relationship with players - communications issues everywhere. I mean *all of these things* are more or less discussed in Jacobs and Amore's pieces. It's not like people are being quiet about anything. And not to go into low blow land, but yeah - Ollie also got a divorce. There's a pretty significant relationship that took a toll on him in a variety of ways - but also fits neatly (maybe too conveniently 0 and yes, you can crap on me for bringing it up because saying it makes me want to take a shower) into the narrative that Ollie's got a lot going on right now - and not in a good way. The fact that AD Dave is meeting with him on 'future plans' etc - is a pretty bad indicator that the institution wants to - at the very least - know what's up.

I really, really, really, really want Ollie to figure it out. And yeah - he's had a lot of obstacles thrown in his way. But looking at the consistent trends of not only what we're seeing on the floor - but the drumbeat coming from a number of people around the program - it's all pointing fingers at him. And it's not about his recruiting. It's not about his X's and O's. These aren't constructive criticisms of his technical coaching skills. They're kind of going at his leadership. They're going at how he communicates. There's some punches and digs on his integrity. I mean every which way you slice it, it just feels like Ollie's got a lot of personal relationship problems right now - and that to me - is the really concerning part. This doesn't seem to be a coaching thing. This is seems to be a personal thing.
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Agreed to an extent. You didn't say this but i dont think ollie is coming off as a POS or a bad guy to these ppl. The feeling i got from the articles is he's been more distant and maybe going through some personal issues. But the feeling ive always gotten from the players and coaches alike is that they genuinely like Ollie. Its why when ppl thought Vance was taking shots at ollie he went out of his way to dispel those rumors. Its why purvis called him a father figure. Its why 1 yr guys like shonn miller and sterling gibbs still come back to the program. KO may have done some things wrong. But i dont think he ever stopped being a great guy.
 
walker11 said:
Not worth my time if you don't get it already. I think my track record on this board shows I am quite positive and optimistic but you are willfully ignorant.
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Goodness gracious but it's easy to glance at your name and think its whaler11. I'd change your name just so people don't confuse you with him.:cool:
 
AntG168 said:
Agreed to an extent. You didn't say this but i dont think ollie is coming off as a POS or a bad guy to these ppl. The feeling i got from the articles is he's been more distant and maybe going through some personal issues. But the feeling ive always gotten from the players and coaches alike is that they genuinely like Ollie. Its why when ppl thought Vance was taking shots at ollie he went out of his way to dispel those rumors. Its why purvis called him a father figure. Its why 1 yr guys like shonn miller and sterling gibbs still come back to the program. KO may have done some things wrong. But i dont think he ever stopped being a great guy.
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There are also the consistent rumors that Ollie has played favorites. Now, as to the truth of those rumors, who knows? But it would explain why some players seem to really like Ollie and others transfer or seem dissatisfied.
 
JMick said:
There are also the consistent rumors that Ollie has played favorites. Now, as to the truth of those rumors, who knows? But it would explain why some players seem to really like Ollie and others transfer or seem dissatisfied.
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Interesting theory. Idk could be. But are they his favorites because of their work ethic or attitude? We'll never know ig. Because look at his favorites Purvis, vital(praised multiple times this season), jalen, amida. They all are known dor playing hard and being passionate
 
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