January: Update on former players

[JonnyRI]

The Wrench may genuinely play himself into the NBA at this point. What a story. I love this kid so much

As much as I love Porkchop, he is averaging like 6/5 this year for Greensboro. NBA might be a bit far off still.

 

[willie99]

No there’s a lot of “ready made” transfers like Tate said. That’s literally how we got here this year. Hurley didn’t like a lot of his own guys from last year and replaced them with transfers. We can’t have it both ways here guys. We’re a really good team because of it.

It’s just disingenuous to say “across the board” when almost 50% of his HS recruits have transferred out.

Not saying he can’t do it though. He just hasn’t shown it. Seeing how Hawk, Andre, and DC continue to develop are big litmus tests.

I guess this guy doesn't comprehend the transfer portal very well. It's a different world. 1,700 kids entered the transfer portal last year, the overwhelming vast majority transferred too. An average of somewhere between 4 & 5 kids per school

It's a whole new world, welcome to 2023. Looks like Hurley is good at it, thankfully for our program. Stated simply, it's a good thing

 

[Deleted at users request]

Their job is to win games and national championships. It's why Kentucky's fanbase and the school look to be done with Calipari. He can pretend all he wants that his job is to put guys in the NBA and not to win it all but that's a cop out.

So you don’t care if we develop successful pros?

I guess this guy doesn't comprehend the transfer portal very well. It's a different world. 1,700 kids entered the transfer portal last year, the overwhelming vast majority transferred too. An average of somewhere between 4 & 5 kids per school

It's a whole new world, welcome to 2023. Looks like Hurley is good at it, thankfully for our program. Stated simply, it's a good thing

That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

 

[superjohn]

So you don’t care if we develop successful pros?


That has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

I care much more about winning games and championships, that's what the coach is paid to do. Usually the two go hand in hand, I couldn't care less that we have zero players in the NBA from the 2014 national championship team.

 

[REB1094]

Whaley with 19 pts and 13 rebounds (both career highs) and 3 blocks tonight. He also had the game winning basket in overtime. Bouknight chipped in 14 pts off the bench

Bouknight has a major body language problem, but he ran on the court to hype up Whaley after that winning shot. It was heartwarming lol

 

[Jaydumo20]

I care much more about winning games and championships, that's what the coach is paid to do. Usually the two go hand in hand, I couldn't care less that we have zero players in the NBA from the 2014 national championship team.

I’ve been waiting for someone to say this. I agree 100% CBB is a sport in its own right. Highlights different skill sets etc. I also don’t view it as a prep league for the nba. Success in nba is an afterthought and I doubt Hurley is concerned with this either. He’d rather these kids stay more than a year.
I don’t mind if others care about this though. I just…well…the NBA…you know.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I care much more about winning games and championships, that's what the coach is paid to do. Usually the two go hand in hand, I couldn't care less that we have zero players in the NBA from the 2014 national championship team.

2014 was the definition of getting the most out of a team. I think the only team to win a national championship without a Burger Boy.

The opposite of UNC

 

[husky429]

We had a point guard in Diggins last year. Unfortunately he was not given the opportunity.

He's not good enough to play at this level. He's shooting 26% and barely sees the floor for UMass. He'll probably need to transfer again if he wants to play. He's a MAAC level player.

 

[krinklecut]

us, #17
fau, #19
College basketball power rankings: UCLA up to No. 2, Alabama into top five; Texas and Marquette join the party


FAU's 14 straight victories are second in the sport to Charleston's 16. What's more, this for-real team ranks top-45 at KenPom, top-35 at Torvik and top-15 in the NET. What a season this is becoming in college hoops. FAU is in my power rankings. What?!

Yes, FAU is good. Take a look at some of their recent box scores and let us know how Gaff is doing.

 

[krinklecut]

Yes, FAU is good. Take a look at some of their recent box scores and let us know how Gaff is doing.

Btw, 0-0-0 on 0 for 3 shooting with four minutes to go in their game today.

 

[gtcam]

Has Hurley developed Adama's 3 point shooting, a necessary skill to play in the NBA? or did you just casually brush that off?

He doesn't need the 3 pt shot as much as he needs a midrange game and a better handle - both should have been his only focus this past off season and I see not a hint of it. He's not at the level of the Joker or even Brook Lopez where he can be a 5 in the NBA and occasionally shoot the 3. AS will only play the 4 and he doesn't have the skill level to play the 4 at the NBA. Please show me one NBA 4 that doesn't have a midrange game and can't handle the ball with pressure.
BTW - if Dan Hurley concentrated on just the 3pt shot with AS this past off season - he should have his head examined...................................

 

[ToolzieFan]

He doesn't need the 3 pt shot as much as he needs a midrange game and a better handle - both should have been his only focus this past off season and I see not a hint of it. He's not at the level of the Joker or even Brook Lopez where he can be a 5 in the NBA and occasionally shoot the 3. AS will only play the 4 and he doesn't have the skill level to play the 4 at the NBA. Please show me one NBA 4 that doesn't have a midrange game and can't handle the ball with pressure.
BTW - if Dan Hurley concentrated on just the 3pt shot with AS this past off season - he should have his head examined...................................

I actually think Clingan's emergence has made people overlook how much more efficient Sanogo is on offense compared to last year. Per Bart Torvik, here is the comparison of this year and last year.

2023
Dunks: 16-18 (89%)
At the rim: 81-107 (76%)
Other 2-pt: 39-84 (46%)
3-pt: 11-28 (39%)
Effective FG %: 62.3 %
Offensive rating: 118.1

2022
Dunks: 29-32 (91%)
At the rim: 111-175 (63%)
Other 2: 68-179 (38%)
3-pt: 0-1 (0%)
Effective FG %: 50.4%
Offensive rating: 105.3

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[ToolzieFan]

Back to former players, Gaffney had another quiet game, but they beat North Texas to improve to 16-1. I'm really happy he ended up in such a solid position. I hope he picks it up and helps wrap up a tourney berth for himself. He always seemed like a genuinely good guy who just needed a change of scenery in a less competitive conference.

 

[auror]

I actually think Clingan's emergence has made people overlook how much more efficient Sanogo is on offense compared to last year. Per Bart Torvik, here is the comparison of this year and last year.

2023
Dunks: 16-18 (89%)
At the rim: 81-107 (76%)
Other 2-pt: 39-84 (46%)
3-pt: 11-28 (39%)
Effective FG %: 62.3 %
Offensive rating: 118.1

2022
Dunks: 29-32 (91%)
At the rim: 111-175 (63%)
Other 2: 68-179 (38%)
3-pt: 0-1 (0%)
Effective FG %: 50.4%
Offensive rating: 105.3

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He very, very rarely takes a hook shot from 10 feet now. He either seals and gets a layup. Or makes a move to get closer. And just in general has improved his finishing. Plus the 3pt shooting.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

No. 24 Florida Atlantic wins 17th straight, 83-64 over UTSA

and now, for the angry, hard of thinking haters, this is what be:
coach made a promo at the beginning of the season, and chose two players to join him in representing the team - messeurs goldin and j'moneh. he knew what was up becuz he knew that he also had a bunch, like a lot, of guys who can run and gun from like the 2 to the shooting four spots, and all that mess needed was a sweet, slippery five, and a chef boyardee at the helm.
jalen plays, garuntee, almost every single game at the start and finish of the first, then the second halves 16-20 minutes right thar, then another 5 or so minutes more thruout. since game 5, he's been the starter.
he and goldin made 20 minute cameos the last game as they beat number 2 in the standings in a blow out.
the rest of the squad had fun, too, just runnin around hoopin and hollarin. and now, for the first time, ever, jmoney's FAU team is in the national rankings.

18-1. ya, that happened.......

 

[Shamon30]

As much as I love Porkchop, he is averaging like 6/5 this year for Greensboro. NBA might be a bit far off still.

That's largely due to lack of PT when 2- way guys and players down on assignment are getting big minutes.

 

[Banta55]

He's not good enough to play at this level. He's shooting 26% and barely sees the floor for UMass. He'll probably need to transfer again if he wants to play. He's a MAAC level player.

UConn and others missed badly on him.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

jalen is 15-0 as starting point/mr do-stuff for his squad.
they won, again tonite, on the road where they're 8-1.
The Owls (19-1, 9-0 C-USA) won their 18th straight game ...
No. 24 Florida Atlantic beats UTEP for 18th straight win
i only counted aboot 4 sick jmoney dimes, but all his other stuff is on accurate display in this recent episode dedicated to the perpetually butthurt, and appropriately called 'y'all sum .'
this is what he does,

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

jalen is 15-0 as starting point/mr do-stuff for his squad.
they won, again tonite, on the road where they're 8-1.
The Owls (19-1, 9-0 C-USA) won their 18th straight game ...
No. 24 Florida Atlantic beats UTEP for 18th straight win
i only counted aboot 4 sick jmoney dimes, but all his other stuff is on accurate display in this recent episode dedicated to the perpetually butthurt, and appropriately called 'y'all sum .'
this is what he does,

He had 3 points (0-4 shooting) 2 assists and 2 rebounds in 25 minutes of play according to the box score. I'm happy his team is doing well but I wouldn't say he's playing any better than what we saw at UConn.

 

[Deleted at users request]

He had 3 points (0-4 shooting) 2 assists and 2 rebounds in 25 minutes of play according to the box score. I'm happy his team is doing well but I wouldn't say he's playing any better than what we saw at UConn.

I will say similar to his freshman year, he’s playing better than the box score would say.

When watching the highlights he just seems to have a knack for knowing what the right play is.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

He had 3 points (0-4 shooting) 2 assists and 2 rebounds in 25 minutes of play according to the box score. I'm happy his team is doing well but I wouldn't say he's playing any better than what we saw at UConn.

obviously, u r wholly unfamiliar with the concept of winning basketball.
jalen was brought in by coach may to try and turn a backwater rabble of zero past success into something better.
15-0 as the starter for a never until now nationally ranked team, it's clear that his task is already, 'mission accomplished,' (u know why? cuz this teams performance will, again obviously, lead to better recruits!)
and the only remaining question is 'exactly how high will this team fly?'
the only relevant stat is 'winning.'
how's he doin'?
since ur brain is filled with sage, or warm choc chip cookies, u should watch the video above to better understand what it means to be a 'winning' baller. his 'job' is to be large and in charge every time the coach feels the game is at an inflection point. every single time.
save the stat stuff for crapto, or coaches who talk aboot how many halves they have won. those don't pay the electric bill, either.

and oh, jmoney has never missed a game in his career.

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

obviously, u r wholly unfamiliar with the concept of winning basketball.
jalen was brought in by coach may to try and turn a backwater rabble of zero past success into something better.
15-0 as the starter for a never until now nationally ranked team, it's clear that his task is already, 'mission accomplished,' (u know why? cuz this teams performance will, again obviously, lead to better recruits!)
and the only remaining question is 'exactly how high will this team fly?'
the only relevant stat is 'winning.'
how's he doin'?
since ur brain is filled with sage, or warm choc chip cookies, u should watch the video above to better understand what it means to be a 'winning' baller. his 'job' is to be large and in charge every time the coach feels the game is at an inflection point. every single time.
save the stat stuff for crapto, or coaches who talk aboot how many halves they have won. those don't pay the electric bill, either.

and oh, jmoney has never missed a game in his career.

What's your point? That he shouldnt have gone to FAU and stayed at UConn cause he is a winner? I'm glad his team is winning but cleary FAU doesnt need him to be a facilitator or scorer cause he isnt doing either outside of some "highlight" video. At UConn, he had flashes but was never consistent enough but maybe his new home and conference which isnt Big East caliber is different.

 

[NickDanger]

Attending his girlfriend's birth. Ok. No further comment.

She’s just being born, and already she’s his girlfriend?! THAT is too young!

 

[ToolzieFan]

Ex-UConn men's basketball guard Jalen Gaffney finds success with surprising Florida Atlantic

After three unspectacular seasons in Storrs, Gaffney playing a key role for surprising Owls, who are ranked for the first time in program history this week.

www.ctinsider.com

 

[AZHuskiePop]

obviously, u r wholly unfamiliar with the concept of winning basketball.
jalen was brought in by coach may to try and turn a backwater rabble of zero past success into something better.
15-0 as the starter for a never until now nationally ranked team, it's clear that his task is already, 'mission accomplished,' (u know why? cuz this teams performance will, again obviously, lead to better recruits!)
and the only remaining question is 'exactly how high will this team fly?'
the only relevant stat is 'winning.'
how's he doin'?
since ur brain is filled with sage, or warm choc chip cookies, u should watch the video above to better understand what it means to be a 'winning' baller. his 'job' is to be large and in charge every time the coach feels the game is at an inflection point. every single time.
save the stat stuff for crapto, or coaches who talk aboot how many halves they have won. those don't pay the electric bill, either.

and oh, jmoney has never missed a game in his career.

Jalen was always better the less he did
Plain Vanilla , keep a cool head and run the offense .
To win sometimes less is more
filling the box score and losing is not my idea of success.

 

[Huskybass]

Believe it or not, each of these teams has played more than 5 games. Your point is silly and downright wrong. I'll find you some stats later. Enjoy the game.

That's our own coach saying that...and Hopkins continues to put up numbers like 20 and 10 each game. No knock on our guys that this guy is a superior talent.

 

[husky429]

That's our own coach saying that...and Hopkins continues to put up numbers like 20 and 10 each game. No knock on our guys that this guy is a superior talent.

I was wondering if you'd pop back up with more goalpost changing. Let's recall your original statement, shall we?

Hopkins is considerably better than anyone on the UConn roster

This is the only point I ever argued, and for some reason you keep doubling down and changing the goalpost. Did you think I forgot?

1) Our coach said Hopkins was the better talent "tonight." That doesn't mean he think he's "considerably better" than everyone on our roster. It doesn't even mean he thinks he's just "better" than everyone on our roster. It means exactly what he said: he was better tonight. That is an accurate statement.

2) Even if PC has a decent record by the BET and Hopkins wins POY, that still doesn't mean he is "considerably better" than anyone on our roster. I'm wondering if you understand the word "considerably." I'll throw in the definition to help you out:

adverb
by a notably large amount or to a notably large extent; greatly

Feel free to scroll through every post I've made on this subject: I've never said Hopkins isn't a good player, or even a worse player than Hawkins or Sanogo. He probably deserves BE POY, and certainly will be First Team if they give it to a player whose team has a better record. That doesn't change the fact that Hopkins is not "considerably better" than our best players.

Let's look at Hawkins's, Sanogo's, and Hopkins's per 40 stats, shall we? Let's keep in mind that our strength of schedule is, in fact, "considerably better" than PCs at this point (6.18 vs 3.45). Conference-only stats aren't available yet on the site I use because of limited # of games.

Hawkins:
22.0/5.5/2.1 (41/39/85%). 1.4 STL, 0.7 BLK, 1.9 TO. 3.1 PF.
ORTG: 121 (higher is better)
DRTG: 94 (lower is better)

Sanogo: 26.6/11.0/2.0 (59/37/77%). 1.3 STL. 1.1 BLK. 3.0 TO. 4.3 PF.
ORTG: 121
DRTG: 90

Hopkins: 19.6/10.9/2.7 (49/37/74%) 0.9 STL. 0.6 BLKS. 3.2 TO. 2.8 PF.
ORTG: 115
DRTG: 98

Can you please point out to me where the "considerably better" player is here? Not your eye test, or some quote that only half-way proves your point from a month ago. Real, objective statistics.

Who is the considerably better player?










After drudging up a weeks-old post, I'd hope you had a slam dunk and not this soft and-1 at the rim. At least make it fun if you're going to argue about semantics dude.

 

[Huskybass]

I was wondering if you'd pop back up with more goalpost changing. Let's recall your original statement, shall we?



This is the only point I ever argued, and for some reason you keep doubling down and changing the goalpost. Did you think I forgot?

1) Our coach said Hopkins was the better talent "tonight." That doesn't mean he think he's "considerably better" than everyone on our roster. It doesn't even mean he thinks he's just "better" than everyone on our roster. It means exactly what he said: he was better tonight. That is an accurate statement.

2) Even if PC has a decent record by the BET and Hopkins wins POY, that still doesn't mean he is "considerably better" than anyone on our roster. I'm wondering if you understand the word "considerably." I'll throw in the definition to help you out:

adverb
by a notably large amount or to a notably large extent; greatly

Feel free to scroll through every post I've made on this subject: I've never said Hopkins isn't a good player, or even a worse player than Hawkins or Sanogo. He probably deserves BE POY, and certainly will be First Team if they give it to a player whose team has a better record. That doesn't change the fact that Hopkins is not "considerably better" than our best players.

Let's look at Hawkins's, Sanogo's, and Hopkins's per 40 stats, shall we? Let's keep in mind that our strength of schedule is, in fact, "considerably better" than PCs at this point (6.18 vs 3.45). Conference-only stats aren't available yet on the site I use because of limited # of games.

Hawkins:
22.0/5.5/2.1 (41/39/85%). 1.4 STL, 0.7 BLK, 1.9 TO. 3.1 PF.
ORTG: 121 (higher is better)
DRTG: 94 (lower is better)

Sanogo: 26.6/11.0/2.0 (59/37/77%). 1.3 STL. 1.1 BLK. 3.0 TO. 4.3 PF.
ORTG: 121
DRTG: 90

Hopkins: 19.6/10.9/2.7 (49/37/74%) 0.9 STL. 0.6 BLKS. 3.2 TO. 2.8 PF.
ORTG: 115
DRTG: 98

Can you please point out to me where the "considerably better" player is here? Not your eye test, or some quote that only half-way proves your point from a month ago. Real, objective statistics.

Who is the considerably better player?










After drudging up a weeks-old post, I'd hope you had a slam dunk and not this soft and-1 at the rim. At least make it fun if you're going to argue about semantics dude.

Hopkins will certainly be first team all Big East, could be the conference player of the year AND is a better NBA prospect than any of our guys. If that's not enough for you, he has averaged 20 and 10 since you first stated that PC has half the talent UConn does. If anyone is off base here, it's certainly you.

Why don't you compare their stats in Big East Conference games? That would be far more telling, rather than including games against weak out of conference teams.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I was wondering if you'd pop back up with more goalpost changing. Let's recall your original statement, shall we?



This is the only point I ever argued, and for some reason you keep doubling down and changing the goalpost. Did you think I forgot?

1) Our coach said Hopkins was the better talent "tonight." That doesn't mean he think he's "considerably better" than everyone on our roster. It doesn't even mean he thinks he's just "better" than everyone on our roster. It means exactly what he said: he was better tonight. That is an accurate statement.

2) Even if PC has a decent record by the BET and Hopkins wins POY, that still doesn't mean he is "considerably better" than anyone on our roster. I'm wondering if you understand the word "considerably." I'll throw in the definition to help you out:

adverb
by a notably large amount or to a notably large extent; greatly

Feel free to scroll through every post I've made on this subject: I've never said Hopkins isn't a good player, or even a worse player than Hawkins or Sanogo. He probably deserves BE POY, and certainly will be First Team if they give it to a player whose team has a better record. That doesn't change the fact that Hopkins is not "considerably better" than our best players.

Let's look at Hawkins's, Sanogo's, and Hopkins's per 40 stats, shall we? Let's keep in mind that our strength of schedule is, in fact, "considerably better" than PCs at this point (6.18 vs 3.45). Conference-only stats aren't available yet on the site I use because of limited # of games.

Hawkins:
22.0/5.5/2.1 (41/39/85%). 1.4 STL, 0.7 BLK, 1.9 TO. 3.1 PF.
ORTG: 121 (higher is better)
DRTG: 94 (lower is better)

Sanogo: 26.6/11.0/2.0 (59/37/77%). 1.3 STL. 1.1 BLK. 3.0 TO. 4.3 PF.
ORTG: 121
DRTG: 90

Hopkins: 19.6/10.9/2.7 (49/37/74%) 0.9 STL. 0.6 BLKS. 3.2 TO. 2.8 PF.
ORTG: 115
DRTG: 98

Can you please point out to me where the "considerably better" player is here? Not your eye test, or some quote that only half-way proves your point from a month ago. Real, objective statistics.

Who is the considerably better player?










After drudging up a weeks-old post, I'd hope you had a slam dunk and not this soft and-1 at the rim. At least make it fun if you're going to argue about semantics dude.

why are you using per40 stats when they all get enough playing time for their stats to be normal?

Hopkins clearly can get his own offense way better than Hawkins and Sanogo where one needs screens to be effective and Sanogo has struggled during BE play. Meanwhile Hopkins has been killing it and rebounds better than our center.

It’s weird how some people feel so confident to call someone’s take straight up stupid and then come back using per40 stats for starters and using word definitions to twist something you can clearly see on tape.

Somethings not stupid just because you don’t like it.

 

[husky429]

Hopkins will certainly be first team all Big East, could be the conference player of the year AND is a better NBA prospect than any of our guys. If that's not enough for you, he has averaged 20 and 10 since you first stated that PC has half the talent UConn does. If anyone is off base here, it's certainly you.

Why don't you compare their stats in Big East Conference games? That would be far more telling.

You're a lost cause dude. You aren't even bothering to read my post. I wrote that CONFERENCE STATS AREN'T CALCULATED YET on the site I use, and I'm certainly not doing it by hand. Regardless, a full season of stats is much more telling than a few games since you decided to start this ridiculous argument.

Hopkins is not a better NBA prospect that Hawkins. He's not on a single draft mock that I looked at this morning, unlike Hawkins. Don't be ridiculous. Hawkins, Jones, and Whitmore are the best NBA prospects in the Big East and it isn't even close.

Are we arguing that "PC has half the talent UConn does" or are we arguing "Hopkins is considerably more talented than anyone on our roster." I'll gladly admit that I was exaggerating for effect when I said PC has half the talent UConn does. I hate PC. For some reason you are STILL doubling down on an ungodly stupid take that Hopkins is "considerably better" than anyone on our roster.

I'm done with this conversation now. Have a good one.