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tcf15 said:
From Scout.com's Syracuse writer (Mike McAllister):

Vince B.‏ @IommiCuseFan 1h1 hour ago
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Mike, obviously this would help with Carey. KU would still try to sell their use of multiple PG's but I doubt he'd buy it.

Mike McAllister‏ @McAllisterScout 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @IommiCuseFan
I don't think Kansas is SU's biggest threat anyway, but you're right. Would help.

Vince B.‏ @IommiCuseFan 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @McAllisterScout
Agreed. UConn is right now. Do you concur?

Mike McAllister‏ @McAllisterScout 1h1 hour ago
Replying to @IommiCuseFan
I do

Scott Shuster‏ @Scottshuster11 17m17 minutes ago
Replying to @McAllisterScout @IommiCuseFan
What's the allure of uconn?

Mike McAllister‏ @McAllisterScout 15m15 minutes ago
Replying to @Scottshuster11 @IommiCuseFan
Close to home, history of getting guards to the league and succeeding, early playing time, and winning championships.

Scott Shuster‏ @Scottshuster11 14m14 minutes ago
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Can make all those arguments for Syracuse plus playing in ACC

Mike McAllister‏ @McAllisterScout 11m11 minutes ago
Replying to @Scottshuster11 @IommiCuseFan
No question. Just saying that's the biggest threat to SU right now
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Fifh
 
Huskyforlife said:
People seriously underselling seton hall here.
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Do you have anything to base this off of, or is this another "Kwintin Williams will not contribute at all this season, I know this because I'm so smart" thing?
 
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kobebeanbryant said:
Playing devil's advocate...what does our current coaching staff's list look like?
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kemba, bazz, boat, lamb, drummond, isiah and fultz? ollie was there for kemba's run and trained with him ever day. some might not be major names in the league but they've had/get time and been drafted
 
UConnSwag11 said:
kemba, bazz, boat, lamb, drummond, isiah and fultz? ollie was there for kemba's run and trained with him ever day. some might not be major names in the league but they've had/get time and been drafted
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And Rutgers can use all of Hobbs players then?
 
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Huskyforlife said:
And Rutgers can use all of Hobbs players then?
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You're creating a false equivalency here.

Uconn has every right to pride themselves on players that developed in the program, and under the head coach.

Chillious PERSONALLY will use his connections to Fultz to recruit, but I'm guessing we won't have Fultz all over our marketing, unlike Rutgers using Bazz and co.

Hobbes could PERSONALLY use uconn players history to recruit. And it shouldn't go beyond that
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Waiters
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He's had exactly one half of a good season in the NBA. I have no problem considering Waiters a success story for them (he was the 31st ranked recruit who went #4 in the draft), but if that's your definition then you might as well throw Michael Carter-Williams in there as well.

Kemba is better than both of them, but we're probably going to have a tough time winning these arguments. Whether it's their fault or not, the staff has whiffed on turning a few highly regarded guards into pros. Calhoun, Purvis, and Hamilton all fell short of the first round, Adams is almost 22 and does not appear to be anywhere near any draft boards, and whatever legend Shabazz carried with him as just about fizzled out.

I have no doubts about Ollie's ability to develop guards. They're going to have a tough time winning the battle of perception, though, especially when Kemba and Bazz will both be seen as Calhoun players. Young coaches rarely get the benefit of the doubt on these matters.
 
champs99and04 said:
He's had exactly one half of a good season in the NBA. I have no problem considering Waiters a success story for them (he was the 31st ranked recruit who went #4 in the draft), but if that's your definition then you might as well throw Michael Carter-Williams in there as well.

Kemba is better than both of them, but we're probably going to have a tough time winning these arguments. Whether it's their fault or not, the staff has whiffed on turning a few highly regarded guards into pros. Calhoun, Purvis, and Hamilton all fell short of the first round, Adams is almost 22 and does not appear to be anywhere near any draft boards, and whatever legend Shabazz carried with him as just about fizzled out.

I have no doubts about Ollie's ability to develop guards. They're going to have a tough time winning the battle of perception, though, especially when Kemba and Bazz will both be seen as Calhoun players. Young coaches rarely get the benefit of the doubt on these matters.
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Just mentioning he's a pretty good player from Cuse. Also signed a pretty lucrative contract recently.
 
champs99and04 said:
He's had exactly one half of a good season in the NBA. I have no problem considering Waiters a success story for them (he was the 31st ranked recruit who went #4 in the draft), but if that's your definition then you might as well throw Michael Carter-Williams in there as well.

Kemba is better than both of them, but we're probably going to have a tough time winning these arguments. Whether it's their fault or not, the staff has whiffed on turning a few highly regarded guards into pros. Calhoun, Purvis, and Hamilton all fell short of the first round, Adams is almost 22 and does not appear to be anywhere near any draft boards, and whatever legend Shabazz carried with him as just about fizzled out.

I have no doubts about Ollie's ability to develop guards. They're going to have a tough time winning the battle of perception, though, especially when Kemba and Bazz will both be seen as Calhoun players. Young coaches rarely get the benefit of the doubt on these matters.
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Calhoun had pretty serious injury that clearly affected him. Purvis transferred because nc st had players passing over him in the rotation and realized he wasn't as good as he was rated in high school. Shabazz had an uphill battle to even be drafted because of size and if not for LeBron never would have gotten a guaranteed contract. The blazers have had nothing but great things to say about him and he seems to be settling into the 3rd PG role which he was always going to be
 
donyell34 said:
And he was one hell of a player Hugo.
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I saw Bing play in the field house back then and he was a really talented player. Unfortunately we lost that game despite a good game from Toby who schooled the Cuse center.
 
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methodology said:
Calhoun had pretty serious injury that clearly affected him. Purvis transferred because nc st had players passing over him in the rotation and realized he wasn't as good as he was rated in high school. Shabazz had an uphill battle to even be drafted because of size and if not for LeBron never would have gotten a guaranteed contract. The blazers have had nothing but great things to say about him and he seems to be settling into the 3rd PG role which he was always going to be
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Of course I know all that, but that's not how the game works. If Purvis, Calhoun, and Hamilton played for Calipari, there is a 0% chance people on this board would be giving him the benefit of the doubt. There are extenuating circumstances to every player, and while they haven't broken in Ollie's favor thus far, I'm not expecting him to get much slack for it. The results have been what they've been the last three years and they haven't been good in any component of running a program. That'll be tough to overcome when Boeheim has landed seven players - four of them guards - in the first round over the last six years.

Edit: It's worth mentioning that, despite all this, I think there is a very good chance he commits here. UConn carries more cachet as a guard-oriented program than Syracuse if for no other reason than that their players have been a lot more memorable. Nobody cares or remembers that Tyler Ennis played at Syracuse but people remember Kemba and Shabazz. Even Ryan Boatright probably resonates with recruits. Adams inevitably becoming a star won't hurt, either.
 
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God, I would shutter at the fact that I have to call Waiters the shining example of my program's "successful" NBA guard. This past season was his best year and he was barely above league average in offensive efficiency. And before that he was one of the biggest jokes/memes in the NBA.

Shabazz is in a pretty good spot to surpass Waiters as he shined at the end of the season. Although he doesn't get the playing time, the numbers say Jeremy Lamb is already better in terms of efficiency. He just doesn't have the nerve to chuck like Waiters does.

I think Tyus Battle will be a solid bench player though. It's just tough to produce NBA caliber players when you play zone defense all year long in the NCAA then lose early in the tournament almost every year. Not even trying to disparage Cuse, Boeheim has found his way to being a HOF coach regardless, but his track record is what it is.
 
UConnStats said:
God, I would shutter at the fact that I have to call Waiters the shining example of my program's "successful" NBA guard. This past season was his best year and he was barely above league average in offensive efficiency. And before that he was one of the biggest jokes/memes in the NBA.

Shabazz is in a pretty good spot to surpass Waiters as he shined at the end of the season. Although he doesn't get the playing time, the numbers say Jeremy Lamb is already better in terms of efficiency. He just doesn't have the nerve to chuck like Waiters does.

I think Tyus Battle will be a solid bench player though. It's just tough to produce NBA caliber players when you play zone defense all year long in the NCAA then lose early in the tournament almost every year. Not even trying to disparage Cuse, Boeheim has found his way to being a HOF coach regardless, but his track record is what it is.
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I'm not saying Waiters is anything special, but suggesting Napier is about to surpass him seems to be a little biased. Waiters played 30 mpg opposed to Napier's 10, and averaged 16 ppg opposed to Napier's 4. Let's see Shabazz become a solid bench player before saying he's better than Waiters. Maybe he can, but imo it's not imminent.
 
UConnStats said:
God, I would shutter at the fact that I have to call Waiters the shining example of my program's "successful" NBA guard. This past season was his best year and he was barely above league average in offensive efficiency. And before that he was one of the biggest jokes/memes in the NBA.

Shabazz is in a pretty good spot to surpass Waiters as he shined at the end of the season. Although he doesn't get the playing time, the numbers say Jeremy Lamb is already better in terms of efficiency. He just doesn't have the nerve to chuck like Waiters does.

I think Tyus Battle will be a solid bench player though. It's just tough to produce NBA caliber players when you play zone defense all year long in the NCAA then lose early in the tournament almost every year. Not even trying to disparage Cuse, Boeheim has found his way to being a HOF coach regardless, but his track record is what it is.
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Waiters has had a far more successful career than either Lamb or Bazz. Waiters has only had 1 good season but Lamb has had maybe 2 good months and Bazz 2 good games.

Making the NBA in and of itself is a huge plus for the program. Who is Villes top 1 or 2 in the NBA? Rozier? Kansas? Chalmers?
 
walker11 said:
Waiters has had a far more successful career than either Lamb or Bazz. Waiters has only had 1 good season but Lamb has had maybe 2 good months and Bazz 2 good games.

Making the NBA in and of itself is a huge plus for the program. Who is Villes top 1 or 2 in the NBA? Rozier? Kansas? Chalmers?
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No doubt, and like I said it doesn't take away from Boeheim's career, but I doubt Boeheim makes his success at getting guards to the league a big part of his recruiting pitch.

And @CardiacAndre7, statistically Waiters is one of the least valuable players of his generation based on his amount of playing time and being below average on both sides of the ball. Maybe I overstated Shabazz's odds, but if he were to put up say a 105 ORtg these next 2 years at 15-20 mpg, he'd probably surpass Waiters' career WS because he's been a net negative or basically a wash for his team several times before.

By the way: Lamb has 10.5 career WS in comparison to Waiters' 7.4, and has done that playing 49% as often as Waiters. Lamb is no star, but that just goes to show just how little Waiters has brought to the table in his career.
 
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