Isaiah Washington Speculation Thread

[upstater]

So true, just because Larrier did not take advantage of downtime, doesn’t mean someone else won’t.

We haven't seen kids improve in the last couple of years. But kids improved under Ollie before that. It's undeniable that Giffey, Daniels, Napier and Boatright improved. That's 4 guys right there.

 

[KingAG]

Shocked at the amount of poster that wouldn’t want the Jelly Fam General. He’s a good young player

 

[KingAG]

We haven't seen kids improve in the last couple of years. But kids improved under Ollie before that. It's undeniable that Giffey, Daniels, Napier and Boatright improved. That's 4 guys right there.

Can we not have this discussion AGAIN

 

[upstater]

Can we not have this discussion AGAIN

OK, we'll leave it at "kids never improved."

 

[auror]

I'm not sure on him, but for those complaining...

His freshman season was VERY similar to jalen's. Right around 8/2/2 on low percentages and about 20 mins per game.

There's potential. I'm just not sure we can wait a year for a guard to come in. We need a body now.

He shot worse than Jalen in every area freshman year. FT%, 2PT%, and 3pt%. Jalen shot 27% from 3 and Washington shot worse on double the attempts. His eFG% was 40. 40! eFG! For context, that's worse than Lonzo Ball shot for the Lakers this year. And Lonzo shot 36/31/45.

He has no real athletic indicators (low steal and block numbers, average rebounding). Video above doesn't convince me he has any lateral quickness.

Seems like he has a nice handle and very strong for a freshman, but I'm out on guys that can't knock down an open shot and whose only game is hitting 4/10 contested circus floaters in the lane.

 

[KingAG]

OK, we'll leave it at "kids never improved."

That’s not what was said. He said we haven’t seen “recruits” improve under KO. That’s true. Giffey, Daniels, Napier, and Boatright weren’t his recruits. You can take your cape off

 

[Exit 4]

After giving it a bit more thought, I think Hurley will first want to see what true freshman he can land in the next month and then revisit entertaining someone like Washington later this year. I could see Washington being a Sid Wilson type August transfer, especially if we shake another kid off the current roster over this summer. Got to fill the first three spots with more ideal players and then make room for Washington if space opens up later.

 

[upstater]

That’s not what was said. He said we haven’t seen “recruits” improve under KO. That’s true. Giffey, Daniels, Napier, and Boatright weren’t his recruits. You can take your cape off

Uh-huh. So parsing things to frame a point is good, no matter that these players had 3 years under Ollie. But you said we're not to discuss this.

Sounds to me like you want only to talk to yourself.

 

[KingAG]

Uh-huh. So parsing things to frame a point is good, no matter that these players had 3 years under Ollie. But you said we're not to discuss this.

Sounds to me like you want only to talk to yourself.

Huh? Lmbooo ok

 

[HuskyHawk]

KO made huge mistake counting on AG last year, have to recruit like anything we get from him is gravy. Chronic issue. Too risky to count on him. Hoping like crazy we get to see the real Rique but from risk management perspective he’s like betting on a penny stock health wise.

Indeed it was. But I think there are two factors at work with this now. One, is that the prior surgeries didn't address the core problem causing the dislocations. This one did. James Andrews recommended the guy who did it, and it is supposed to prevent dislocations from ever happening again. So while he'll be rusty, he shouldn't have that injury again. Second, is the fact that any incoming recruit has to assume that Gilbert won't be 100% or he is putting himself in a competitive situation he may not find favorable. So even if UConn doesn't want to completely rely on him, we aren't in a good position to bring in a talented freshman PG. Grad trasnfer, sure.

 

[JMick]

That’s not what was said. He said we haven’t seen “recruits” improve under KO. That’s true. Giffey, Daniels, Napier, and Boatright weren’t his recruits. You can take your cape off

He is the king of leaving out important information. I said recruits for a reason

 

[upstater]

He is the king of leaving out important information. I said recruits for a reason

Read my post. I didn't say anything about you. I said Ollie developed players. But you two hate this guy so much your knee jerks and smacks your face when anyone so much as mentions things like, he coached this team to a national championship, or he developed 4 players considerably. Keep distorting things.

 

[JMick]

Read my post. I didn't say anything about you. I said Ollie developed players. But you two hate this guy so much your knee jerks and smacks your face when anyone so much as mentions things like, he coached this team to a national championship, or he developed 4 players considerably. Keep distorting things.

Recruits were mentioned for a reason. Maybe he was great at developing guys who wanted to be developed and he just dropped the ball finding those types of players. That's the kindest rationalization I can make.

 

[boog204]

Read my post. I didn't say anything about you. I said Ollie developed players. But you two hate this guy so much your knee jerks and smacks your face when anyone so much as mentions things like, he coached this team to a national championship, or he developed 4 players considerably. Keep distorting things.

Semantics aside, even the most ardent KO supporters has to admit that our post-14 players did not seem to get appreciably better. This, of course, coincides with whatever "shift" seemed to have occurred with KO personally and professionally.

 

[KingAG]

Read my post. I didn't say anything about you. I said Ollie developed players. But you two hate this guy so much your knee jerks and smacks your face when anyone so much as mentions things like, he coached this team to a national championship, or he developed 4 players considerably. Keep distorting things.

I hate KO? I discredited his NC? You responded to JMick saying he didn’t develope his recruits, by saying he’s wrong because he developed the 2014 core 4. You misunderstood his point is all. Labeling me a KO hater is you flailing in the wind because you were wrong. It’s okay to be wrong or admit you misunderstood the point. I created the KO appreciation thread lol. You can’t revert to calling people KO haters whenever you’re wrong. Learn to develop an actual argument instead of throwing your scaltio at people when you run out of arguments to make

 

[BlueMAB]

It's not fair to say KO didn't develop any players. It's also not fair to say KO alone developed players. A coach can only do so much, the player has to put the work in. Some coaches can motivate and inspire them to want to do more, some can't. I believe KO and/or his staff at some point lost the ability to either find the kids who wanted to work, or to inspire those who needed that extra push.

Whatever the reasons, the players weren't improving, and the team wasn't improving.

 

[KingAG]

It's not fair to say KO didn't develop any players. It's also not fair to say KO alone developed players. A coach can only do so much, the player has to put the work in. Some coaches can motivate and inspire them to want to do more, some can't. I believe KO and/or his staff at some point lost the ability to either find the kids who wanted to work, or to inspire those who needed that extra push.

Whatever the reasons, the players weren't improving, and the team wasn't improving.

Agreed it’s not fair to say KO didn’t develop anyone. He showed that he could develop players who had the right mindset and makeup. What he failed at was identifying said players

 

[ctchamps]

We haven't seen kids improve in the last couple of years. But kids improved under Ollie before that. It's undeniable that Giffey, Daniels, Napier and Boatright improved. That's 4 guys right there.

Kentan definitely improved his senior season. Jalen improved freshman to sophomore season. Brimah went lateral or downward. CV went downward from freshman to sophomore season.
AA improved as the season progressed but the bar was so low not a good example.

Felt Carlton improved significantly and Polley is hard to judge.

Larrier did not play at UConn prior years but improved over VCU but not to the extent we needed.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Guys. This is about Isaiah Washington.

 

[ctchamps]

Guys. This is about Isaiah Washington.

It's about Isaiah Washington and speculation.
To get back on your track this thread has a lot of people who've watched Isaiah and it appears that there is no consensus about him. Some think he's worth the schollie in spite of his stats and dismiss those stats by claiming he's a freshman. Others are concerned it's a risk to dismiss those stats and don't see enough in his game to take up a schollie.

 

[methodology]

That’s not what was said. He said we haven’t seen “recruits” improve under KO. That’s true. Giffey, Daniels, Napier, and Boatright weren’t his recruits. You can take your cape off

Having talked to Kemba and his family while at UConn they all said KO was one of if not the biggest reasons for his development

 

[BlueMAB]

Having talked to Kemba and his family while at UConn they all said KO was one of if not the biggest reasons for his development

Again, Ollie wasn't taking the shots, running the sprints, or lifting the weights. Napier would say the same about Ollie, but those two also have a combination of an insane work ethic and humility. I'm sure Ollie helped, but no more than they helped themselves. But they aren't the types of guys to pat themselves on the back, rather than defer to someone who helped them along the way.

Also, Ollie's role as an assistant was much less demanding than his role as HC. It's reasonable to assume his "unofficial" time in the gym with the players working on individual skills was greatly reduced after becoming head coach. I still believe Ollie would be a great assistant either at the NBA or college level.

 

[CTPride]

I want him to come here just so I can yell out JELLYYYYYYYYYY every time he makes a layup.


JELLYYYYYYYYYY

 

[CL82]

Indeed it was. But I think there are two factors at work with this now. One, is that the prior surgeries didn't address the core problem causing the dislocations. This one did. James Andrews recommended the guy who did it, and it is supposed to prevent dislocations from ever happening again. So while he'll be rusty, he shouldn't have that injury again. Second, is the fact that any incoming recruit has to assume that Gilbert won't be 100% or he is putting himself in a competitive situation he may not find favorable. So even if UConn doesn't want to completely rely on him, we aren't in a good position to bring in a talented freshman PG. Grad trasnfer, sure.

Even if his is shoulder is 100%, and though I hopeful, I'm skeptical, it will be hard for him to trust it again. Even just subluxing a shoulder is very painful and we're all wired to avoid pain. I'm rooting for him, but I'm not sure he'll ever play at the same level.

 

[intlzncster]

We can do better. Isaiah is nothing special, he’s a junkyard dog type of point guard similar to the types Michigan St seems to always have. We need an elite point guard.

I’d pass and go hard at Jalen Lecque, Cole Anthony, and or Justin Moore from Dematha. We need elite guards not so-so guards if we expect to be good.

We need 3-4 year guys like Nova.

 

[JMick]

Even if his is shoulder is 100%, and though I hopeful, I'm skeptical, it will be hard for him to trust it again. Even just subluxing a shoulder is very painful and we're all wired to avoid pain. I'm rooting for him, but I'm not sure he'll ever play at the same level.

I think he's going to be fine. You can't count on it though. Hopefully it's a best of both worlds where the injury allows us to keep recruiting 4* and 5* guards but he's healthy enough to still play

 

[8893]

Even if his is shoulder is 100%, and though I hopeful, I'm skeptical, it will be hard for him to trust it again. Even just subluxing a shoulder is very painful and we're all wired to avoid pain. I'm rooting for him, but I'm not sure he'll ever play at the same level.

With no basis other than the Boneyard doctors, I am remarkably confident that he will be a star before he leaves here.

Which, of course, means we are doomed.

 

[intlzncster]

And starts over our 5* McD AA PG Gilbert? Really? I know it's fashionable to pretend he doesn't exist, but he does.

We don't know if we have that guy yet. Maybe he stays healthy. Maybe he doesn't ever return to form. You just don't know. So plan like he doesn't exist. Got no choice.

 

[mauconnfan]

I want him to come here just so I can yell out JELLYYYYYYYYYY every time he makes a layup.


JELLYYYYYYYYYY

What will you yell every time he misses one because that would be more often?

 

[intlzncster]

Game looks an awful lot like Jalen Adam's in that clip.