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Isaiah Washington Speculation Thread

JMick said:
Recruits were mentioned for a reason. Maybe he was great at developing guys who wanted to be developed and he just dropped the ball finding those types of players. That's the kindest rationalization I can make.
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The reason is very clear. You want to say he can't develop players. He couldn't develop anyone in the last 3 years. He did develop players in the 3 years prior to that.

These are just basic facts.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Kentan definitely improved his senior season. Jalen improved freshman to sophomore season. Brimah went lateral or downward. CV went downward from freshman to sophomore season.
AA improved as the season progressed but the bar was so low not a good example.

Felt Carlton improved significantly and Polley is hard to judge.

Larrier did not play at UConn prior years but improved over VCU but not to the extent we needed.
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Kentan took too long though, and it wasn't even the start of his senior season.
 
AntG168 said:
I hate KO? I discredited his NC? You responded to JMick saying he didn’t develope his recruits, by saying he’s wrong because he developed the 2014 core 4.
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No, wrong.

I didn't say anything about JMick being wrong.

I said KO didn't develop players the last 3 years, but he did develop them the years prior to that.

Go back and read it.

You guys are so one way on this that you automatically react to someone who said Ollie DID develop players.
 
boog204 said:
Semantics aside, even the most ardent KO supporters has to admit that our post-14 players did not seem to get appreciably better. This, of course, coincides with whatever "shift" seemed to have occurred with KO personally and professionally.
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I said this in my original post.
 
I said let’s not have this discussion again. You responded and I quote ,”Ok let’s leave it at kids never improved”. Who the hell said that??? You implied that’s what JMick said. Let’s not play stupid. You misunderstood him, it’s ok lol @upstater
 
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WingU-Conn said:
Again, Ollie wasn't taking the shots, running the sprints, or lifting the weights. Napier would say the same about Ollie, but those two also have a combination of an insane work ethic and humility. I'm sure Ollie helped, but no more than they helped themselves. But they aren't the types of guys to pat themselves on the back, rather than defer to someone who helped them along the way.
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Oh c'mon. By this standard no coach develops players. Why is it impossible to concede that - notwithstanding how things turned out - Ollie might have been a pretty decent coach who for whatever reason did not succeed at UConn?
 
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AntG168 said:
I said let’s not have this discussion again. You responded and I quote ,”Ok let’s leave it at kids never improved”. Who the hell said that??? You implied that’s what JMick said. Let’s not play stupid. You misunderstood him, it’s ok lol @upstater
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Oh my god, really? I didn't misunderstand him at all especially because he has said this repeatedly. I even answered him and said he is trying to frame it to make the point that Ollie can't develop players. Implied? No. I stated it outright! There is no nuance here. My god, that wasn't obvious?
 
upstater said:
Oh my god, really? I didn't misunderstand him at all especially because he has said this repeatedly. I even answered him and said he is trying to frame it to make the point that Ollie can't develop players. Implied? No. I stated it outright! There is no nuance here. My god, that wasn't obvious?
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Ok dude lol. So you made up something to disagree with? I’m upset with myself for having engaged with you in this conversation. I should’ve known exactly what would come of it. I’m over it. On to Mr. Washington lol
 
upstater said:
Kentan took too long though, and it wasn't even the start of his senior season.
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My view on Kentan taking too long is that he wasn't given enough of a chance. I'm sure someone will quote his lousy stats but it's the same way I feel about Diarra. I just get the sense that Ollie didn't have much patience for bigger guys making mistakes, while he overlooked tons of mistakes by guards and wings.
 
Funny. KO isn’t our coach.

Hopefully Hurley can develop players. That’s what matters.
 
HuskyHawk said:
My view on Kentan taking too long is that he wasn't given enough of a chance. I'm sure someone will quote his lousy stats but it's the same way I feel about Diarra. I just get the sense that Ollie didn't have much patience for bigger guys making mistakes, while he overlooked tons of mistakes by guards and wings.
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I think the arrival of Shonn Miller really stunted his growth as well. That would’ve been a whole season with him getting major minutes.
 
upstater said:
The reason is very clear. You want to say he can't develop players. He couldn't develop anyone in the last 3 years. He did develop players in the 3 years prior to that.

These are just basic facts.
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You don't even know what facts are. @Spartacus
 
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AntG168 said:
Ok dude lol. So you made up something to disagree with? I’m upset with myself for having engaged with you in this conversation. I should’ve known exactly what would come of it. I’m over it. On to Mr. Washington lol
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In your mind, you made sense when you wrote this. Scary.
 
HuskyHawk said:
My view on Kentan taking too long is that he wasn't given enough of a chance. I'm sure someone will quote his lousy stats but it's the same way I feel about Diarra. I just get the sense that Ollie didn't have much patience for bigger guys making mistakes, while he overlooked tons of mistakes by guards and wings.
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But you have to remember Kentan fell off again and didn't assert himself late in the year. He blossomed midway through, and then became the same guy we saw the previous 3 years. I mean, he wasn't even a Gavin Edwards.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
Oh c'mon. By this standard no coach develops players. Why is it impossible to concede that - notwithstanding how things turned out - Ollie might have been a pretty decent coach who for whatever reason did not succeed at UConn?
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WingU-Conn said:
It's not fair to say KO didn't develop any players. It's also not fair to say KO alone developed players. A coach can only do so much, the player has to put the work in. Some coaches can motivate and inspire them to want to do more, some can't. I believe KO and/or his staff at some point lost the ability to either find the kids who wanted to work, or to inspire those who needed that extra push.

Whatever the reasons, the players weren't improving, and the team wasn't improving.
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I didn’t say what you think I said.

I think Ollie would be a great assistant. The jury is still out on running a program. He might have a better shot in the NBA as a head coach with the right players.
 
upstater said:
We haven't seen kids improve in the last couple of years. But kids improved under Ollie before that. It's undeniable that Giffey, Daniels, Napier and Boatright improved. That's 4 guys right there.
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Quite frankly, Blaney and Hobbs helped. Calhoun attended nearly every practice the first two years before KO wanted to be his own man.
 
upstater said:
Kentan took too long though, and it wasn't even the start of his senior season.
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Yeah. But improvement nonetheless. It really is easy to make statements who’s to blame - player, coach or combo. None of us know with absolute certainty.
 
HuskyHawk said:
My view on Kentan taking too long is that he wasn't given enough of a chance. I'm sure someone will quote his lousy stats but it's the same way I feel about Diarra. I just get the sense that Ollie didn't have much patience for bigger guys making mistakes, while he overlooked tons of mistakes by guards and wings.
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He gave more than enough time for Brimah. Brimah reduced his minutes with fouls. And how about DO this season?

Kentan was lost on offense and defense. It wasn’t until his senior year he put it together.
 
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methodology said:
Having talked to Kemba and his family while at UConn they all said KO was one of if not the biggest reasons for his development
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I distinctly recall him crediting Andy Lefleur with his development, in an article just a few weeks after the courant did an article ( which in retrospect was clearly a coordinated effort to get Ollie the HC gig ) on what a great developer of talent Ollie the Assistant was, and how much he benefitted Kemba his junior year. I remember thinking that it was super-awkward that Kemba effectively responded to the Courant’s assertion by saying that it was Lafleur.
 
auggie22 said:
I distinctly recall him crediting Andy Lefleur with his development, in an article just a few weeks after the courant did an article ( which in retrospect was clearly a coordinated effort to get Ollie the HC gig ) on what a great developer of talent Ollie the Assistant was, and how much he benefitted Kemba his junior year. I remember thinking that it was super-awkward that Kemba effectively responded to the Courant’s assertion by saying that it was Lafleur.
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Andre was lead recruiter for Kemba. I don't doubt he had some part in his development but KO had the biggest impact. 60+ games (home, away, tournaments) of sitting with his mom, cousin and guy who worked him out throughout high school was where I got the KO praise from
 
Hearing good things about our chances to land Harris!
 
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