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Is Sabrina the G.O.A.T?

Is Sabrina the G.O.A.T?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 10.5%

  • No.

    Votes: 132 76.7%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 22 12.8%
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domerduck said:
I appreciate your thoughts. Just to be clear, I didn't start this post which Poppabear did back on Feb 25. My 1st reply was two days later when there were a lot of opinions.
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Okay and just to be clear while my post replies to you it’s also speaking to those who voted for Sabrina or who were undecided and others who are reading this that think Sabrina might be GOAT. And just as you provided data and made observations – I have made similar observations based on what you posted. As a result, I don’t feel Sabrina is the college GOAT.

I do agree with you. I think Stewart is GOAT but I have another caveat I only started watching during UCONN’s 1st title so if someone were to say Miller or Leslie etc I can’t disagree. I never saw them in college . Anyways, when stats and awards are brought up to generate a discussion as points to build up a player then conversely a discussion can also be brought up in discussions making claim they are not relevant enough to be used in the GOAT discussion for a particular player. That’s what I’ve done. It’s great you brought up pro Sabrina points. She is an amazing beast on the court. But the awards and stats don’t get her to GOAT which we agree.

And what I find also irrelevant is your mention of 6 WNBA players drafted how played with DT and 3 for Maya etc. IMO it’s a not a relevant stat - just as irrelevant as Oscar’s triple doubles in a GOAT discussion when the stat doesn’t put him in the conversation either.

Let’s talk about DT for example. In 00-01 UCONN had one all-American 1st team or 2nd team and that was Sveta. Neither Sveta nor Ralph played in the NCAA Tourney. And who ended up getting all-region leading her team to the FF? The freshman - DT. Further, how does Sue Bird or Swin Cash etc being drafted in 01-02 have a thing to do with DT’s exploits in 00-01 or 02-03 or -03-04? Further, what Sabrina has done – how does it equate DT’s 02-03 and 03-04 exploits? So, in this instance regarding DT, what was the point bringing up who was drafted while playing with DT? If you think they are relevant fine—but what if I don’t? So, this is my counter of which I think most UCONN fans would feel the same way. I’m just bringing up a lot of what you’re bringing as still doesn’t put Sabrina as number 1 or number 2 etc. Not that you personally are trying to but for anyone that reads here and thinks what you’ve mentioned puts her right there with Stewie, Maya and DT; it doesn’t.

And again bringing up “prior to Sabrina.” It’s irrelevant for this thread. Prior to Sabrina there was also no Graves. Prior to Sabrina there was no combination of Hebard and Sabally at Oregon coupled with Graves. And “the history of Oregon basketball rising” is irrelevant in regards to a GOAT discussion when championships matter more.

Sabrina is an all-time great. But for this thread discussion she is a tick below a few others. And again I won’t argue with anyone that puts in a pre-1995 player as GOAT. And I’ll argue with anyone who would incorrectly believe that Sabrina wasn’t super great. She was incredible. Classy. Great great ambassador. You must’ve had a complete blast watching Sabrina play these last 4 years.
 
domerduck said:
..... *You may consider Oregon stacked but Sabrina was the only 5 star recruit on the team until Boley xfrd from ND to play last year. Hebard was a bit of an unknown from Alaska, but because of her chemistry with Sabrina she became an AA. Sabally was a great international dscovery by Graves (who I agree is a great coach) and certainly deserving of her #2 overall pick as a jr. Next year Oregon will actually be more stacked with all their 5 stars.
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Huh?
*Ruthy Hebard and Satou Sabally were both top-40, 5-star recruits. They were both very well known and highly regarded. In fact, Sabally accomplished the incredibly rare feat of being selected for the Jordan Brand game as a Euro recruit. She was a highly touted international commodity and widely regarded as 2017's #1 international recruit.
Hebard was not "a bit of an unknown" among coaches and scouts. She was ESPN's #40 recruit of 2016, received interest (some say offers) from over 80 programs representing every P5 conference and had offers from nearly every PAC-12 school. She made the U18 National team as a HS senior.

edit: Sierra Campisano (class of 2016) and Otiona Gildon (class of 2015) were also former 5-star recruits. Campisano transferred from Oregon in 2018.
 
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College only What Diana did with a team of underclassman against mighty Tenn in the day and did it 3 years is by far and there is no comparison unbelievable. She took charge as the greatest player and on court coach ever. She did the impossible at the most impossibile times. A flare for the dramatic when it was least expected. There is no player that has done what Diana did. Others have had great college careers and the also had team mates who were polished experienced players. Diana put the team on her back and made it happen. No other player in college made it happen like Diana. Diana is the GOAT and no body else is close
 
domerduck said:
You may consider Oregon stacked but Sabrina was the only 5 star recruit on the team until Boley xfrd from ND to play last year. Hebard was a bit of an unknown from Alaska, but because of her chemistry with Sabrina she became an AA.
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I didn't pick up this quote before.

Please just stop it. I'm done with this.

C'mon you know i was talking about when I said Oregon was stacked. We are talking about the "college team Oregon." You've tried to deliberately twist this into "high school recruit." It doesn't make one bit of difference what she was thought of in high school. It's what she WAS in her sr year in college. And she was part of a "stacked team." If you can't admit that . . .
 
Tonyc said:
College only What Diana did with a team of underclassman against mighty Tenn in the day and did it 3 years is by far and there is no comparison unbelievable. She took charge as the greatest player and on court coach ever. She did the impossible at the most impossibile times. A flare for the dramatic when it was least expected. There is no player that has done what Diana did. Others have had great college careers and the also had team mates who were polished experienced players. Diana put the team on her back and made it happen. No other player in college made it happen like Diana. Diana is the GOAT and no body else is close
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Stewart is the GOAT. Stewart did do something no other college player did.
 
UConn2SF said:
edit: Sierra Campisano (class of 2016) and Otiona Gildon (class of 2015) were also former 5-star recruits, but both transferred from Oregon in 2018.
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Gildon didn't transfer out of Oregon. You must be thinking of Mallory McGwire, also from the 2016 class.
 
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This entire thread just keeps cracking me up. I like Sabrina-well let me clarify that- I like her a lot less since she put that last curb stomping on UCONN. But she is not in the GOAT conversation. To paraphrase @meyers7 in a different GOAT discussion-How can you be considered the GOAT when you are not even the best to play in that conference?
If Sabrina has a comparable professional and Olympic career to LIndsay Whalen she would have had a great career and would still not be in the discussion for GOAT.
 
CocoHusky said:
This entire thread just keeps cracking me up. I like Sabrina-well let me clarify that- I like her a lot less since she put that last curb stomping on UCONN. But she is not in the GOAT conversation. To paraphrase @meyers7 in a different GOAT discussion-How can you be considered the GOAT when you are not even the best to play in that conference?
If Sabrina has a comparable professional and Olympic career to LIndsay Whalen she would have had a great career and would still not be in the discussion for GOAT.
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I agree with CocoHusky in that this thread lives on unnecessarily as DomerDuck and others refuse to let it go. Anything somewhat relevant to the original thread gets tacked on to keep it alive.

If the WNBA is able to play this season, Sabrina's fans can get back on here and remind us again of how good she is. I would like a break from reading about that until she is able to show what she can do as a pro.....
 
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Shades said:
DUNK
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Thanks Shades for keeping the Sabrina thread going as she does cool things and risk CocoHusky and WestCoast's admonsihing posts. I am sure that is a regulation hoop and now that puts her at the Fran Belibi level, another player that I wouldn't vote as GOAT (which I didn't for Sabrina either-but do consider her the Oregon GOAT). I am still trying to figure out if there is consensus on the UConn GOAT-considering Taurasi, Moore, & Stewart all have legitimate claims. I missed that thread.

Still in the Sabrina GOAT category, I did find it interesting that her fellow classmates and University President asked her to be their commencement speaker for their upcoming June 14 graduation (even if on-line). She certyainly handled herself well for the Kobe memorial. Not sure how many other "GOATs" have been given that honor as commnecment speaker, but there may be a few. She certainly made her impact on Oregon, even if she didn't have a chance to win that National Title with her team, her senior year.

www.registerguard.com

Oregon Ducks basketball great Sabrina Ionescu chosen as UO's 2020 commencement speaker

Sabrina Ionescu, who spoke so eloquently during the memorial service for Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna earlier this year, will be the commencement
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In my opinion you have to win a National Championship to be in the conversation She didn’t do that. I’d say it’s a conversation between Stewart, Moore, Taurasi, and Parker.
 
domerduck said:
Thanks Shades for keeping the Sabrina thread going as she does cool things and risk CocoHusky and WestCoast's admonsihing posts. I am sure that is a regulation hoop and now that puts her at the Fran Belibi level, another player that I wouldn't vote as GOAT (which I didn't for Sabrina either-but do consider her the Oregon GOAT). I am still trying to figure out if there is consensus on the UConn GOAT-considering Taurasi, Moore, & Stewart all have legitimate claims. I missed that thread.

Still in the Sabrina GOAT category, I did find it interesting that her fellow classmates and University President asked her to be their commencement speaker for their upcoming June 14 graduation (even if on-line). She certyainly handled herself well for the Kobe memorial. Not sure how many other "GOATs" have been given that honor as commnecment speaker, but there may be a few. She certainly made her impact on Oregon, even if she didn't have a chance to win that National Title with her team, her senior year.

www.registerguard.com

Oregon Ducks basketball great Sabrina Ionescu chosen as UO's 2020 commencement speaker

Sabrina Ionescu, who spoke so eloquently during the memorial service for Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna earlier this year, will be the commencement
www.registerguard.com www.registerguard.com
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Being a class commencement speaker has zero relation to her claim as being the greatest of all time.

There isnt a consensus among UCONN fans for who is the best collegiate Husky ever. All 3 had illustrious careers with their own unique strengths that give them an argument for best UCONN player of all time. It isnt cut and dry like it is for a lot of other programs (ex. Tennessee, Baylor, South Carolina, Oregon, etc.)
 
domerduck said:
Thanks Shades for keeping the Sabrina thread going as she does cool things and risk CocoHusky and WestCoast's admonsihing posts. I am sure that is a regulation hoop and now that puts her at the Fran Belibi level, another player that I wouldn't vote as GOAT (which I didn't for Sabrina either-but do consider her the Oregon GOAT). I am still trying to figure out if there is consensus on the UConn GOAT-considering Taurasi, Moore, & Stewart all have legitimate claims. I missed that thread.

Still in the Sabrina GOAT category, I did find it interesting that her fellow classmates and University President asked her to be their commencement speaker for their upcoming June 14 graduation (even if on-line). She certyainly handled herself well for the Kobe memorial. Not sure how many other "GOATs" have been given that honor as commnecment speaker, but there may be a few. She certainly made her impact on Oregon, even if she didn't have a chance to win that National Title with her team, her senior year.

www.registerguard.com

Oregon Ducks basketball great Sabrina Ionescu chosen as UO's 2020 commencement speaker

Sabrina Ionescu, who spoke so eloquently during the memorial service for Kobe Bryant and his daughter Gianna earlier this year, will be the commencement
www.registerguard.com www.registerguard.com
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DomerDuck was fooled by the video.
I am guessing that the rim is 9'6" to 9'9". Ionescu does many things very well and has been recognized as the best player again in women's collegiate basketball, but to compare her to Belibi with respect to dunking is not well-informed. Unless Ionescu gets on an explosive/dynamic workout regimen and transforms her athleticism significantly, she will never be able to dunk on a regulation hoop. And she doesn't need to...
 
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So now we're now being asked to believe that Sabrina is dunking on regulation rims.

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Can she cure coronavirus while she's at it?
 
Plebe said:
So now we're now being asked to believe that Sabrina is dunking on regulation rims.

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Can she cure coronavirus while she's at it?
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As DomerDuck might suggest, give Ionescu a few more months and complete access to the University of Oregon medical labs and she would. Anything to further cement her GOAT status....
 
Just a weird hypothetical entering my head.

Suppose Sabrina came to UConn (in place of Crystal). Would she have been enough of a difference to
overcome those semifinal defeats and lead us to 3NC (Covid 19 is still in my hypothetical :()

Would she then be considered a real challenger for the GOAT position?

My feeling is yes and yes.

Others?
 
eebmg said:
Just a weird hypothetical entering my head.

Suppose Sabrina came to UConn (in place of Crystal). Would she have been enough of a difference to
overcome those semifinal defeats and lead us to 3NC (Covid 19 is still in my hypothetical :()

Would she then be considered a real challenger for the GOAT position?

My feeling is yes and yes.

Others?
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Since this is a pandemic all we have is hypotheticals, but your supposition is the one that has been in my head for a while. There is no doubt that a UConn player with their 11 championships owns the WCBB GOAT, whether you pick DT, MM, or Breanna. That is why I did not vote for her as the G.O.A.T. as one of the 150 posters who voted above.

Still I do believe Sabrina's leadership, vision, assist making skills, and competitiveness would have taken those great UConn teams to 3 NCs and this year, they'd be on their way to their 8th straight. Her Freshman year when she played her first game ever in Connecticut in the Elite 8 March 27, 2017, it was against a UConn team that won that game for their 111 straight win right before they got upset by MSU in the Final 4.

If Sabrina had been on that team instead of Crystal, it would have been her 22nd game in Connecticut that year not her first. My guess is she would have worked her way into replacing Chong as starting guard or at least be the first off the bench for Geno if he kept Chong as starter. Still she would have never had the stats she had at Oregon as Geno had so many players to play. She certainly wouldn't have been the 1st player ever to have 2k, 1k, 1k or scored over 2500 points. It would have been interesting, but I totally agree with your supposition, she would have been a 3x champion as she is completely coachable and Geno's type of player.
 
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domerduck said:
Since this is a pandemic all we have is hypotheticals, but your supposition is the one that has been in my head for a while. There is no doubt that a UConn player with their 11 championships owns the WCBB GOAT, whether you pick DT, MM, or Breanna. That is why I did not vote for her as the G.O.A.T. as one of the 150 posters who voted above.

Still I do believe Sabrina's leadership, vision, assist making skills, and competitiveness would have taken those great UConn teams to 3 NCs and this year, they'd be on their way to their 8th straight. Her Freshman year when she played her first game ever in Connecticut in the Elite 8 March 27, 2017, it was against a UConn team that won that game for their 111 straight win right before they got upset by MSU in the Final 4.

If Sabrina had been on that team instead of Crystal, it would have been her 22nd game in Connecticut that year not her first. My guess is she would have worked her way into replacing Chong as starting guard or at least be the first off the bench for Geno if he kept Chong as starter. Still she would have never had the stats she had at Oregon as Geno had so many players to play. She certainly wouldn't have been the 1st player ever to have 2k, 1k, 1k or scored over 2500 points. It would have been interesting, but I totally agree with your supposition, she would have been a 3x champion as she is completely coachable and Geno's type of player.
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She may not have had 2500 points but she would probably have as many triple doubles along the way,
 
eebmg said:
She may not have had 2500 points but she would probably have as many triple doubles along the way,
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I think it's unlikely she would have had even half as many. UConn doesn't generally play through one player, which is why a forward often leads them in assists. So she'd have a lot fewer ten-assist games. Also, they had some prodigious rebounders over the past four years, so I think she'd miss double-digit rebounds many times, too.

I agree with you and Domerduck that it would have been really interesting if she'd chosen UConn. I think multiple championships are more likely than however-many triple-doubles.
 
eebmg said:
She may not have had 2500 points but she would probably have as many triple doubles along the way,
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Not sure that Geno would have kept her in the games of major blowouts long enough to accumulate 26 triple-doubles like Graves did. Graves and the Oregon system proved to be the perfect collegiate situation for Ionescu to achieve the great statistical milestones that she did.

I do think that Ionescu would have won at least one national title at UConn during her first two collegiate seasons with the other talent at UConn in '16-'17 and '17-'18.
 
eebmg said:
Just a weird hypothetical entering my head.

Suppose Sabrina came to UConn (in place of Crystal). Would she have been enough of a difference to
overcome those semifinal defeats and lead us to 3NC (Covid 19 is still in my hypothetical :()

Would she then be considered a real challenger for the GOAT position?

My feeling is yes and yes.

Others?
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OFC yes and yes but that's a tall order isn't it?

She wasn't even an A/A her frosh year so she would be "leading" the other 3 A/A's to an undefeated season as a frosh? And then as a soph? Back-to-back undefeated seasons in which she is a leader and leads them in the Final Four?

So overall, three straight titles where she is the leader?

If you give that "supposed hypothetical" to any other A/A caliber player then they would be in the discussion for GOAT too.
 
domerduck said:
Thanks Shades for keeping the Sabrina thread going as she does cool things and risk CocoHusky and WestCoast's admonsihing posts.
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As I have said before, I like Sabrina and don't mind hearing good things about what she is doing. My ire is strictly related to the use of the GOAT in the title of the thread which especially on this board feels like you are using a sharp stick to poke us in the eye. BTW Sabrina stands a good chance at locking down a spot on the US Olympic team next summer. If she does it will only be her third appearance on a USA basketball (5 X 5) age group team for her entire college and HS years. In this same time span THE TRUE GOATS dominated not just their USA age groups but also the international competition. ALL were named USA Basketball Female Athlete of the year.
 
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Sabrina Ionescu Changed Women’s Basketball. And She Hasn’t Even Played Her First Pro Game

The 22-year-old point guard is one of the most buzzed-about basketball players in a generation.
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Once in a generation, there’s an athlete whose game is so great, it literally changes their sport. Sabrina Ionescu, 22, is that athlete. While playing at the University of Oregon, Ionescu became the first college basketball player—male or female—in the history of the NCAA to score 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, and 1,000 assists.
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