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Chief00 said:
Thanks for the basketball kudos. I have never labeled myself with any label, that's for others to do. Just for the record , I was chilling with Chill @ Blaze and much of what I said a week ago has quite frankly played out or started to. As for predictions, the track record speaks for itself , and if it's pure luck - I should be playing Powerball instead.

Whtmd, I will make another prediction and I have no direct source who has flat out told me this and I would never ask him. While St Joseph's is 100% serious, I don't see Calhoun coaching at St Joseph's. He has been spending more and more time in South County, RI, has a house there and is a member of a golf club there - he seems happy and content - unlike when he was coaching and always needed a foil.
Maybe, he will change all this life style when the weather chills but I don't believe all this BS how he wants to drive the team bus to let's say Bentley College and make peanuts.
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Point Judith or Shelter Harbor? Both great tracks good for JC whatever makes him happy.
 
temery said:
I love the quote, but find it funny (can't think of a better word) that we want other recruits ignore their parents, but really hope Carey listens to his father.

Winning parents over is huge, but we need the player to fall in love with UConn.
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So true.
 
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tcf15 said:
KO and Boeheim teaching at a coaching clinic at Carey's HS:
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That actually looks like an awesome coaching clinic to go to. I try to head to a few a year, and I haven't seen this advertised anywhere at all.

Any Boneyarders going?
 
tcf15 said:
KO and Boeheim teaching at a coaching clinic at Carey's HS:
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Saw the name "Jimmy Salmon" and looked it up and found this:

Carey will travel to Miami, Connecticut, Villanova, Syracuse and Kansas on his basketball fact-finding mission. His New Jersey Playaz and Immaculate Conception (N.J.) coach, Jimmy Salmon, said he's unclear right now when Carey plans to make a decision.

"I've been coaching 30 years and I still haven't figured it out. I think in the end, guys sometimes get tired of the phone calls," Salmon said. "They crave it in the beginning, then some of them get tired of it. I don't know if he's hit that point yet. I think he's enjoying the process, not milking it, just taking it in. We have not said whether it's going to be an early or late decision."

Wasn't he mixed up in some stuff as an assistant somewhere quite a while ago? I could be mistaken thinking Seton Hall or something.
 
husky429 said:
That actually looks like an awesome coaching clinic to go to. I try to head to a few a year, and I haven't seen this advertised anywhere at all.

Any Boneyarders going?
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I hadn't seen it yet, but I said the same thing to my buddy / coach.

PS: I thought the exact same thing about the parts they coach ... Ollie goes there to teach great guard play, he's no dummy. Boeheim on the other hand ...
 
AntG168 said:
And he'll be teaching "winning guard play" while boeheim teaches "the zone defense" lmaoooooo how much more perfectly set up can that be hahaha
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As funny and simple as it sounds it's really just that. One coach while good is not known for sending his guards to very lengthy successful pro careers while the other one spent 13 years in the NBA, played with some of the greatest guards to ever play the game in both college and the pros, was coached by and assisted one of the greatest college coaches of all time, was coached by some of the greatest professional coaches of all time and won a national championship after having mentored and coached the best guard in the country maybe the two best so which coach should this kid play for?
 
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MSGSeven said:
As funny and simple as it sounds it's really just that. One coach while good is not known for sending his guards to very lengthy successful pro careers while the other one spent 13 years in the NBA, played with some of the greatest guards to ever play the game in both college and the pros, was coached by and assisted one of the greatest college coaches of all time, was coached by some of the greatest professional coaches of all time and won a national championship after having mentored and coached the best guard in the country maybe the two best so which coach should this kid play for?
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In fairness, Boeheim has quite a few guards in the league right now.
 
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mauconnfan said:
Wasn't he mixed up in some stuff as an assistant somewhere quite a while ago? I could be mistaken thinking Seton Hall or something.
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He's run the Playaz forever and was at Patterson Catholic back in the day.

He coached Tim Thomas in high school and was his cousin - Villanova hired him after Thomas committed to them. They were always rumored to be a package deal and Nova gave him the restricted earnings position just before school started in TT's freshman year.

Obviously, Salmon was Kevin Freeman's coach at Patterson as well.

There was a rumor that Nova or UConn would be the landing spot for the package deal. (That was the year Howie left for Central so there was an opening.) But UConn was never really in the running for Thomas - it was going to be between Nova and Rutgers and once John Leonard left Nova to coach Manhattan, it was pretty clear they were going to land Thomas and hire Salmon.
 
champs99and04 said:
In fairness, Boeheim has quite a few guards in the league right now.
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Off the top of my head (as I don't make a habit of following Cuse guards) Waiters, Carter-Williams, Ennis, and maybe Gbinije??? Prior to last season all three of those guys had been disappointments.
 
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MSGSeven said:
Off the top of my head (as I don't make a habit of following Cuse guards) Waiters, Carter-Williams, Ennis, and maybe Ghinije??? Prior to last season all three of those guys had been disappointments.
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Totally Boeheims fault.....
 
His guards are usually ultra prepared for the league ... See Carter-Williams, Waiters, Ennis ... Awful defenders, no jump shots, inefficient scorers, just what the NBA is looking for.
 
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MSGSeven said:
Off the top of my head (as I don't make a habit of following Cuse guards) Waiters, Carter-Williams, Ennis, and maybe Ghinije??? Prior to last season all three of those guys had been disappointments.
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Malachi Richardson played 22 games for Sacramento last season, although he's probably closer to a wing.

Matrim55 said:
He's got 2 PGs, both of whom are scrubs on one-year minimum deals.
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I didn't say they were great players - I think the most important part in the eyes of a recruit is where those guys were drafted and how long it took them to get there. Carter-Williams played two years at Cuse and went in the lottery. Ennis played one year and went in the first round. Waiters is a ball dominant two guard who went fourth overall after two years and Richardson is a guard/wing type who went in the first after one year, not to mention Jonny Flynn who went sixth in the draft after his junior season. None of these guys were can't-miss prospects and all of them, provided they've been able to manage their money, are living the good life. Besides, I have always found it difficult to hold coaches responsible for what happens to a player after they leave the program (granted, with Syracuse guys there is the element of having to re-learn man-to-man defense that doesn't exist with other programs).

I still think UConn is the place for any lead guard to be, but if we're selling Carey on the idea of us being able to get him to the NBA sooner than Cuse can, I'd say they have a decent counterargument.
 
pauliepeppas said:
Totally Boeheims fault.....
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I find it funny you're posting on a UConn board. Surely the mighty Cuse nation wouldn't concern themselves with what the lowly mid-major UConn fans say about their hall of fame nose picker.
 
champs99and04 said:
Malachi Richardson played 22 games for Sacramento last season, although he's probably closer to a wing.



I didn't say they were great players - I think the most important part in the eyes of a recruit is where those guys were drafted and how long it took them to get there. Carter-Williams played two years at Cuse and went in the lottery. Ennis played one year and went in the first round. Waiters is a ball dominant two guard who went fourth overall after two years and Richardson is a guard/wing type who went in the first after one year, not to mention Jonny Flynn who went sixth in the draft after his junior season. None of these guys were can't-miss prospects and all of them, provided they've been able to manage their money, are living the good life. Besides, I have always found it difficult to hold coaches responsible for what happens to a player after they leave the program (granted, with Syracuse guys there is the element of having to re-learn man-to-man defense that doesn't exist with other programs).

I still think UConn is the place for any lead guard to be, but if we're selling Carey on the idea of us being able to get him to the NBA sooner than Cuse can, I'd say they have a decent counterargument.
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No doubt Boeheim sells recruits on that record, but it's also easy to recruit against: (a) NBA teams thoroughly analyze picks these days and know that none of those picks worked out, and are going to be cautious about drafting Syracuse kids going forward; (b) the key to making big money is to have a 13-year NBA career like Ollie. Who can teach how to do that better than Ollie himself, the guy who did it?
 
pauliepeppas said:
Totally Boeheims fault.....
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If not his, who's?
The only killer guards he had - McNamara and that Devendorf - couldn't sniff the NBA
Eniss - meh
Waiters - hot and cold
Carter-Williams - probably the best but can't hit the broad side of a barn
Gbinije - meh
 
pj said:
No doubt Boeheim sells recruits on that record, but it's also easy to recruit against: (a) NBA teams thoroughly analyze picks these days and know that none of those picks worked out, and are going to be cautious about drafting Syracuse kids going forward; (b) the key to making big money is to have a 13-year NBA career like Ollie. Who can teach how to do that better than Ollie himself, the guy who did it?
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I've said this before, but I think the easiest way to recruit against Boeheim is to invoke the fact that he's, you know, really damn old. He will be 74 by the time Carey plays a game, and, much like Calhoun, he seems to follow the Brett Favre retirement model where his future will be perpetually in flux.

Your first point is a good one - if there was ever a program liable to be stigmatized by coaches and GM's, it would be Syracuse because of the unique nature of the zone. At the very least, it's one more seed of paranoia you can plant in the kids mind.

On the second point, maybe it works, but I can also see how you open yourself up to obvious counters like "the best players are not the best coaches."
 
With Boeheim, you recruit against his age.

With Ollie, you recruit against the American.

Boeheim plays retirement close to the vest, so he minimizes the impact. Calhoun would mention every two minutes that he might retire at any moment which didn't help in his later years.

The NBA stuff is all puffery anyway. Rutgers sold a kid on their ability to get him to the NBA recently, so anyone can pull that stunt off.
 
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Fishy said:
With Boeheim, you recruit against his age.

With Ollie, you recruit against the American.

Boeheim plays retirement close to the vest, so he minimizes the impact. Calhoun would mention every two minutes that he might retire at any moment which didn't help in his later years.

The NBA stuff is all puffery anyway. Rutgers sold a kid on their ability to get him to the NBA recently, so anyone can pull that stunt off.
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So true about the NBA stuff , in most cases being puffery, but it's what both the kids and many parents want to hear.
 
I don't know much about recruiting but I can sure see how this stuff could out of hand like a pretty coed guiding the tour. Each school trying to out do each other.
 
Chief knows squat. Everything he says is hedged just enough that he can always claim he was right. As for his hoops knowledge, I will go up against him any day of the week. In whatever forum necessary.
 
uconngb said:
Chief knows squat. Everything he says is hedged just enough that he can always claim he was right. As for his hoops knowledge, I will go up against him any day of the week. In whatever forum necessary.
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Not sure what the heck this is about but I appreciate anyone brings for "potential" insight if they have any clue for any reason. They don't have to be right I could care less.
 
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