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I do want to see the ACC offer UConn. I quite frankly don't know what they are waiting on. I mean I don't and I do. It all has to be orchestrated to get more money from ESPN. Adding 5 teams at once would generate less money than 2 at a time base on how the contract with ESPN is structured. I don't think that anyone that has been added was a bad addition though. You will see no articles about the ACC making mistakes like you just read about the Big Ten making a mistake by taking Rutgers over UConn or last year's articles about the Big XII making a mistake taking West Virginia over Louisville.
Mistake? W/O RU UConn isn't even contigenous?Or under consideration at the time. There u go again playing RU against UConn....classic divide and conquer...do you think BY fans are stupid? You act like you're here to educate and bless us. First you thought Temple was a better add to any conference than RU....you certainly know how to do 1 thing though..make enemies,of course smoothly! I listen to nothing u say buttkis!
 
It was understood why. No hard feelings. Next team up.

Says Lucy to Charlie Brown.

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And I couldn't stand forking over $800 a month for a run down one bedroom when half that much in the Midwest will get you covered parking and a complex swimming pool. And people care about college football.

" $ 800 a month " ? There are no 1 bedroom Apt's in Boston... " rundown " or otherwise at that rate. You'd get the ability to rent a cardbox box to sleep in under a Storrow Drive overpass at this rental rate ( ..haha).That said, everybody chooses for themselves where to live, and what they want to charge others to live there, and others to pay to live there. Personally, given a choice, I'd much prefer to live in a small Apt in Boston than a mammoth Apt out in South Bend, Indiana,... like I said, I've been to South Bend twice too. But to each his own, of course.

Boston should be compared to Chicago, Worcester vs Ft Wayne, Norwood vs Naperville.

It's the entire region in general. In the Midwest there is a huge drop off in rents once you get out of the affluent parts of the big city. It drops off in MA too but the floor is much higher. Play around on Zillow imagine you are a first time home buyer (probably looking at a satellite town) and you'll see the $ difference.
 
Except for university exposure, Louisville's market presence means nothing for The ACC right until 2027, when their contract is up. There is no ACCN, and ESPN probably won't be giving The ACC more money. If the rumors are true and Louisville kept The ACC together, it was the right move.
...and if that rumor is true...how fragile is that conference when a conference is willing to blow apart should one or two schools not get what they want. ...And lets not forget there will soon be another elephant in the room -ND!
 
The Shamrock Series games are ND HOME GAMES moved from South Bend to San Antonio, Dallas, Chicago, New York, etc...

It is nobody's business but ND's. Those are ND home games. They were always away games for the opponent.

Navy WANTS to play its home games versus ND at Fed Ex. They control the ticket sales. More money than at its 30,000 on campus stadium. The ND and Army games make up most of Navy's athletic budget.

Army WANTS to play ND at Yankee Stadium. More exposure. Syracuse's AD is the one who pushed for the Cuse/ND games to be at Met Life Stadium.

ND is not putting a shotgun to anyone's head to play at these venues. Rutgers and UConn turned ND down for games at Met Life and Gillette Stadium.

It was understood why. No hard feelings. Next team up.

There will always be Envy masquerading as a legitimate grievance. We've read plenty about how schools agree to contracts and then cry about how unfair they are.

...and if that rumor is true...how fragile is that conference when a conference is willing to blow apart should one or two schools not get what they want. ...And lets not forget there will soon be another elephant in the room -ND!

Like PSU wanting out of the BUG10 if some of their old east coast rivals didn't get in?
 
How do you arrive at the conclusion that UConn's fans are better than Lousiville's. Based on a rating in NYC? So a game without UConn would have had no viewers? There is no way to make the conclusions you are jumping to based on the data.
hmmm, it would have viewers sure! But lets demonstrate the data that supports that they were UCOnn viewers....the exorbitant cost of the tickets themselves and who was buying them. ASK if any ISU fan selling their tickets had a hard time getting rid of them, ask if they made a profit? It was record breaking and those tickets were going to a proven UConn fan-base! But please, please ignore this logic and how this logic supplements support to the hypothesis that this is because UConn was present in NYC... And if you want please ignore that ticket sales have something to do with eyeballs in front of TV sets and the demographics breaking down the location of those eyeballs. I want to hear the better math computation from the community college??? Please educate me!
 
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UConn blows away the schools the ACC added in WINNING, in MARKET, does adequately in ACADEMICS. The ex-BE schools want to see UConn's programs die. BC especially. And that's why this is happening.
Football drives the bus, and UConn does not blow away Louisville in any sense dealing with football.

People who are johnny come lately to big time college football tends to think that history does not matter. But it does to college football fans. And Pitt and Syracuse have history to go with enough winning the past 20 years to top UConn in football attractiveness as well.
So you're telling me the BE schools had no animosity towards ND over the past 10 years? Honestly? As for bowls meaning less, I believe they'll mean the same as years past to everyone save the 4 (last year 2) schools not playing for the NC.

As this board highlights, though not to the degree any WVU board does, some BE fans clearly blame ND for all their failures.
 
There will always be Envy masquerading as a legitimate grievance. We've read plenty about how schools agree to contracts and then cry about how unfair they are.



Like PSU wanting out of the BUG10 if some of their old east coast rivals didn't get in?


Barry Alvarez made that rather clear.

But the funny thing is that the east coast rivals who always meant the most to Penn State are Pitt and Syracuse.
 
ND has to join as a full member before any ACC-related proposal even looks worthwhile, very long-term.
 
The Shamrock Series games are ND HOME GAMES moved from South Bend to San Antonio, Dallas, Chicago, New York, etc...

It is nobody's business but ND's. Those are ND home games. They were always away games for the opponent.

Navy WANTS to play its home games versus ND at Fed Ex. They control the ticket sales. More money than at its 30,000 on campus stadium. The ND and Army games make up most of Navy's athletic budget.

Army WANTS to play ND at Yankee Stadium. More exposure. Syracuse's AD is the one who pushed for the Cuse/ND games to be at Met Life Stadium.

ND is not putting a shotgun to anyone's head to play at these venues. Rutgers and UConn turned ND down for games at Met Life and Gillette Stadium.

It was understood why. No hard feelings. Next team up.
I think we should try to get Duke to play us in NYC. Duke has a large basketball following there, and playing ND there in football could help grow its football fan base.
 
Don't believe stats about how most D1 football teams lose money. Sports keeps the alumni in touch with their alma mater which leads to Tshirt sales and donations. Presidents know damn well what the alumni care about. Their lip service about distracting from academics is just to maintain their bowtie credibility.

Tshirt sales and donations are counted as athletic department revenues. Also, ever heard of an AD bond out for the building of a football stadium or other facility? How do you imagine those are built?
 
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Like PSU wanting out of the BUG10 if some of their old east coast rivals didn't get in?

Barry Alvarez made that rather clear.
But the funny thing is that the east coast rivals who always meant the most to Penn State are Pitt and Syracuse.

For the record.

Alvarez:

"Jim felt that someday, if we didn't have anyone else in that corridor, someday it wouldn't make sense maybe for Penn State to be in our league," Alvarez told the board, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "That they would go into a league somewhere on the East Coast. By doing that, it keeps us in the Northeast corridor."​

Delany:

Asked last month whether he had any concern about losing teams from the Big Ten, Delany said, "No. Not in my view. But I do think that you need to build, and this build really solidifies the expansion we've done in the past. We've done one in the East, we've done one in the West [Nebraska in 2010]. I would say the driving force is demographics, but when you look at it, you can't help but think this is good for Penn State as well."​
 
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Football drives the bus, and UConn does not blow away Louisville in any sense dealing with football.

People who are johnny come lately to big time college football tends to think that history does not matter. But it does to college football fans. And Pitt and Syracuse have history to go with enough winning the past 20 years to top UConn in football attractiveness as well.


As this board highlights, though not to the degree any WVU board does, some BE fans clearly blame ND for all their failures.

You don't watch much college football if you believe Pitt and Syracuse have done much winning in the past 20 years.

Cuse is 1-6 against UConn in the last 7 games. most of those have been blowouts. ND didn't beat UConn either. Not bad for a "johnny-come-lately" which is, oh by the way, the best basketball school in the nation over the same period that you tout Cuse's and Pitt's winning losing.
 
I think we should try to get Duke to play us in NYC. Duke has a large basketball following there, and playing ND there in football could help grow its football fan base.

lol.

Seriously - good luck with that plan.

We get grief, but those f---ers couldn't put 30,000 in their stadium if they gave away handjobs.
 
I'm never going to engage you on academics again. Without research, there is nothing to teach.
I took my younger daughter this year to visit 10 highly regarded academic schools this year, including two in the ACC. Every one of them spoke about opportunities for undergraduate participation in research as it has become a huge component (along with study overseas programs) in recruiting a high quality student body. We didn't go to UVa, but I'll guarantee they promote it too.
 
Tshirt sales and donations are counted as athletic department revenues. Also, ever heard of an AD bond out for the building of a football stadium or other facility? How do you imagine those are built?

I don't think so. If the shirt just reads UCONN and makes no mention of the hoops team team then you could pretend it was bought just to appreciate the school in general.
 
This may be true; however, we have not seen an article either that indicates the B1G rejected UConn whereas such an article does exist detailing the rejection of UConn by the ACC with direct quotes from an AD.
http://boston.com/sports/colleges/mens_basketball/articles/2011/10/09/power_move_by_acc/?page=3
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I recall my family and friends I have in CT telling me that if BC went to the ACC instead of staying in the BE, that BC would have no influence whatsover with " the southern schools there " ( as they called them) in the ACC.. Fast forward to 2011, and here its being reported that BC ( that undeniably did not support Uconn football to the ACC) had enormous influence with " the southern schools ", so much so that BC.. new to the ACC... could prevail upon the dozens of schools, many of whom that had been in this league for years, some as founders in the ACC, to somehow keep Uconn out of the ACC. Fortunately, most of the family and friends now believe here in 2014 that while BC did not support Uconn to the ACC ( which is undeniably true ), BC had no such clout in the ACC to keep Uconn out of the ACC. My hunch is that even if BC pleaded with the ACC to invite Uconn, their wishes would not have been given any more weight in this as well. If Swofford and the founding schools in the ACC wanted ( or still want ) Uconn, BC couldn't stop them. It is regrettable the bad feelings that have occured between BC and Uconn.. but slowly but surely, cracks in the bitterness between these 2 N.E. schools does seem to be abating a bit. Calhoun, the coach that publically called for his school to" never schedule BC in anything ever again " has retired. The equally petty BC AD who has little support among much of the fanbase in BC for his work at BC has alo retired. BC ( that voted " yes " on Uconn's admittance to the BE ) voted " yes ", recently to invite Uconn into Hockey East that helps their developing Hockey Program, and likewise the new BC AD reached out to the Uconn AD to schedule Uconn in basketball as well, and the 2 schools have agreed to do so. Even the writer of this Boston column ( a notorious BE flack and and long time coat holder for former BE Commish Mike Tranghese ) is no longer around flaming the fires of divisiveness, having been fired from the very newspaper that this 2011 article is linked from, and is now found writing from a small blog he created in order to cobble together a living from out of his office in his home whenever he's relatively clean and sober. I hope Uconn football fans can find joy in their school's sport again. I think BC should put aside the differences they have with Uconn and forget the long ago lawsuit and acknowledge they have been petty toward their neighbors 2 hours away from their campus and find a way to play football again with Uconn. I also hope Uconn football fans can cool their jets a bit and ask themselves if their comments now and in the future help advance or hold back the very thing that they want.. which is an invite out of where they currently find themselves. Anyway thats my 2 cents worth as a BC fan that has followed BC sports for close to half a century while living in Boston,( but not as a BC alum)
 
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Mistake? W/O RU UConn isn't even contigenous?Or under consideration at the time. There u go again playing RU against UConn....classic divide and conquer...do you think BY fans are stupid? You act like you're here to educate and bless us. First you thought Temple was a better add to any conference than RU....you certainly know how to do 1 thing though..make enemies,of course smoothly! I listen to nothing u say buttkis!
There will always be Envy masquerading as a legitimate grievance. We've read plenty about how schools agree to contracts and then cry about how unfair they are.



Like PSU wanting out of the BUG10 if some of their old east coast rivals didn't get in?

Link please. No BS zone or rumor please...or as another Joe once said..."just the fact's ma'm"
 
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You don't watch much college football if you believe Pitt and Syracuse have done much winning in the past 20 years.

Cuse is 1-6 against UConn in the last 7 games. most of those have been blowouts. ND didn't beat UConn either. Not bad for a "johnny-come-lately" which is, oh by the way, the best basketball school in the nation over the same period that you tout Cuse's and Pitt's winning losing.
Outside of Terry D (who seems real) some of these ND fan's are almost as arrogant as stimpycuse!
 
I don't think so. If the shirt just reads UCONN and makes no mention of the hoops team team then you could pretend it was bought just to appreciate the school in general.

Wrong. All branding is dumped into athletic budgets. Part of the licensing deals that go through the clothing companies which are affiliated with sports. There's a long article on this subject from David Hillis who looked at several athletic budgets including Texas's. That's how they do it too. It's probably because athletics is responsible for selling 90% of those branded shirts and sweaters.
 
Link please. No BS zone or rumor please...or as another Joe once said..."just the fact's ma'm"

How do I link an opinion? Find someone else with the same one?

Upstate, I stand corrected if that is the case.
 
How do I link an opinion? Find someone else with the same one?

Upstate, I stand corrected if that is the case.
...and there you have it, Judas has spoken, now take your thirty pieces of silver and go troll somewhere else!
 
Barry Alvarez made that rather clear.

But the funny thing is that the east coast rivals who always meant the most to Penn State are Pitt and Syracuse.
Say's the ND fan!! lol...SU was NEVER a RIVAL of PSU!! 2 wins in 24 games makes a hot rival? Only SU fans want to believe that malarky! No PSU fan really thinks of SU as anything other than a whipping boy! Man you guys will go to any length to push an ACC agenda here!?!
 
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How do I link an opinion? Find someone else with the same one?

Upstate, I stand corrected if that is the case.
So don't state it as though it was somehow factual...take ur friend stimpycuse and get lost....good riddance to slanted opinion!!
 
Link please. No BS zone or rumor please...or as another Joe once said..."just the fact's ma'm"
The only Bug's I'm familiar with have recently infected the ACC with a disease called greed and treachery.
 
...and if that rumor is true...how fragile is that conference when a conference is willing to blow apart should one or two schools not get what they want. ...And lets not forget there will soon be another elephant in the room -ND!
If stimp is a plant it backfired....on just listening to him I HATE the ACC more than I did before he tried"schooling us" lol.
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They have everything to do with academics. As I questioned in another thread, why do schools participate in big time athletics? Most run off of a deficit and it's against most of the mission statements of these schools. If it was just about student life, why couldn't they just go to the D3 model and spend much less money in the process?
Why, then, do schools participate when most university presidents could care less what happens in sports? Advertising their schools to a broader range of Gen Ed students. Academics.
Spot on. A few years ago I read an article estimating the value in free publicity of an appearance in the NCAA tournament was to a participating university. I don't remember the number so I won't offer a guess but it was in the millions. Wasn't there a flurry of articles in the local press noting the spike in applications to UConn after the dual championships in 2004? Increased applications allows greater selectivity which boosts academic profile. Q.E.D.
 
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