Indiana & other top teams go down (merged thread)

[From France]

I'm really surprised at the Stanford loss.

they are struggling like we do

 

[From France]

Notre Dame and Duke fell with less than 40, is this High School Basketball ???

 

[Bigboote]

Instead of talking about who lost it would be faster to talk about who won. I don't see how UCONN isn't a 1 seed if they win the Big East and have a couple more somewhat impressive wins.

I agree. If UConn wins the BET, I think they have a better resume than Stanford, Utah, LSU, and whoever doesn't win the B1G tourney. I could see South Carolina, Indiana, UConn and B1G winner being the 1 seeds, with the B1G being in the bracket facing South Carolina.

 

[Centerstream]

Wow, Indiana, Stanford, and Utah go down. The seeding will be interesting after this weekend.

Don't the people who vote and select normally ignore what happens in Conference Tournaments (especially when it comes to teams that lose)?

 

[Carnac]

they are struggling like we do

I'm surprised because Stanford has been the "class" of the Pac-12 for years. They ALWAYS field one of the best teams in the conference. They are very hard to beat at home. The Pac-12 Women's Conference Basketball Tournament is being played at the Michelob Ultra Arena inside the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. Home of the Las Vegas Aces. The Pac-12 along with 3-4 other conferences play their post-season tournaments in Las Vegas every year...including the Mountain West Conference, home of the UNLV Runnin' Rebels.

 

[HuskyNan]

Let’s see, per most recent Bracketology (rankings are ESPN/Coach’s poll)

1 Seeds
1. South Carolina, W 80-51 Old Miss
2. Indiana, L 75-79 14. OSU
5. Maryland, L 84-89 7. Iowa
6. Stanford L 65-69 19.UCLA

2 Seeds
4. LSU L 67-69 Tennessee
3. Utah L 58-66 Washington State
8. Virginia Tech W 58-37 13. Duke
7. Iowa W 89-84 5. Maryland

3 Seeds
10. Notre Dame L 38-64 Louisville
9. UConn W 69-39 Georgetown
13. Duke L 37-58 8. Virginia Tech
14. Ohio State W 64-38 2. Indiana

 

[Carnac]

Notre Dame and Duke fell with less than 40, is this High School Basketball ???

No!! It's March. Strange things happen this time of year. Like Notre Dame and Duke scoring less than 40 points, and unranked Tennessee knocking off # 4 ranked LSU. The NCAAT is going to be crazy (and fun to watch) this year. I can see an unranked (at large) team or two playing way over their head, and sending a much higher-seeded team home early. I'm calling it now!!! There WILL BE some mild upsets and some shocking upsets in this tournament. Watch out for that Darkhorse. Just because you're a 1 seed does not mean you can't be sent home early. Look at what happened to the projected #1 seeds today.

 

[From France]

You just have to avoid being in South Carolina plan, then being a Final Four bond is able

 

[Carnac]

It's worse when you lose and none of your players are hurt.

 

[Carnac]

You just have to avoid being in South Carolina plan, then being a Final Four bond is able

Nobody wants to be in South Carolina's bracket. Teams have a 75% chance of NOT being in their bracket. Woe to those that are.

 

[MSGRET]

Instead of talking about who lost it would be faster to talk about who won. I don't see how UCONN isn't a 1 seed if they win the Big East and have a couple more somewhat impressive wins. I am glad Villanova pulled out their game so the final will be a couple top teams. So many teams can't find the extra gear in the tournament and that is one strength for UCONN.

Our EXTRA gear is named Azzi Fudd.

 

[UcMiami]

Creme just posted and then deleted a tweet saying:
'Well really, we had TN properly ranked back in the preseason, so a #4 v #5 match up can really go either way and LSU should not be penalized for being on the losing end. I said all along that TN should be a top 10 team and at worst a 4 seed.'

 

[MilfordHusky]

Our EXTRA gear is named Azzi Fudd.

We’ve found our mojo, and her name is Azzi.

 

[MSGRET]

A clear offensive foul, particularly since it was right in front of the official. That call needs to be made much more frequently.

At least Kim didn't go out on the court like she did in last year's Tournament walking out half way to yell at the ref. She should have been T'd up on it.

 

[HuskyNan]

Creme just posted and then deleted a tweet saying:
'Well really, we had TN properly ranked back in the preseason, so a #4 v #5 match up can really go either way and LSU should not be penalized for being on the losing end. I said all along that TN should be a top 10 team and at worst a 4 seed.'

Another opinion-

 

[MSGRET]

Creme just posted and then deleted a tweet saying:
'Well really, we had TN properly ranked back in the preseason, so a #4 v #5 match up can really go either way and LSU should not be penalized for being on the losing end. I said all along that TN should be a top 10 team and at worst a 4 seed.'

Need to get a shovel to get rid of all the BS Charlie has been spewing this weekend.

 

[darrell]

Creme just posted and then deleted a tweet saying:
'Well really, we had TN properly ranked back in the preseason, so a #4 v #5 match up can really go either way and LSU should not be penalized for being on the losing end. I said all along that TN should be a top 10 team and at worst a 4 seed.'

LSU isn’t the team that they’ve tried convincing us that they are. Losing to Tennessee comes as surprise to no one, really.

Convinced that I, too, could be a “Bracketologist”. He hasn’t a clue what he’s doing.

 

[RedStickHusky]

Angel was ok until she extended her arm

Classic left arm clear out; should get called more than it does.

 

[fomalhaut]

I doubt the committee thinks this way, but in my view you generally shouldn't be a number 1 seed unless you at least make the tournament finals in a strong conference, because it means at least two teams in your conference are playing better than you are (going into the NCAA tournament). Obviously a team as (mostly) dominant as South Carolina is an exception (or powerhouses like Connecticut and Tennessee in previous years): South Carolina could have lost their first SEC tournament game and wouldn't even have been pushed out of the #1 overall seed. And you need to have a strong enough resume up to that point (so forget Tennessee or Washington State).

The candidates still standing for 1 seeds in my opinion should be South Carolina (obvious), Iowa, Virginia Tech, Connecticut, Ohio State (injury issues there too in some of their losses); maybe even Texas, Oklahoma, and UCLA. To be honest the string of upsets opened the door wide open.

 

[Tonyc]

I saw UConn was ranked 9th. Well that all changes now with Caroline and Azzi back and a 30 pt blowout. This UConn team isnt the team that lost 5 games. This is a different team and I think the next 2 games will show that. We must stay healthy. We have the shooters/scorers we were missing, we have the bench we were missing, we will have alot less TO's now and we have the power to score alot of points. It may take a couple of games for our walking wounded to get going. Remember we are playing in CT this weekend and next weekend which will give us time to rest and practice with a full squad. We are gonna be a very tuff team to play against. Really Tuff.

 

[wingsfan055]

As I've said before, UConn is easily the most battle-tested (mentally & physically) for the Tourny. Top teams are losing recently because of injuries, fatigue, and the inability to adjust. UConn has been facing this literally since Day 1. Now that we have our Top 7 back, if UConn wins the BET, they definitely deserve one of the #1 seeds based on SoS. The fact that Charlie cant see this shows how much of an "expert" he is.

 

[RSHERMVIKES]

At this time of the year NO ONE is a favorite! Even SoCar can be vulnerable IMHO!
The team that is healthy and playing hot can go the furthest!
UCONN has to remain healthy and we can go far!
If UCONN wins the Big East Tournament the NCAA HAS TO give them a #1 seed!

 

[Cuango]

Notre Dame and Duke fell with less than 40, is this High School Basketball ???

Duke’s high in their last three games is 41! Something seriously wrong with their offense!

 

[Bone Dog]

Talk of “resumes” is only part of the picture, as we all know. It’s much more what are you capable of right now. The NET has us at 3, but also has LSU as 2. Obviously that won’t stand. If the committee drops LSU, they’ll probably drop us too. It’s only a question of how far.

They’ll want some statistical measure to point to, like SoS, but they’ll mainly be relying on the dreaded eye test. They could decide Indiana Stanford and Utah have better records than us, and maybe even Iowa or tOSU, whoever wins the B10 tournament.

Are we playing better than any of those teams? It’s arguable, and if we sweep the BE tournament it’ll be a much stronger argument. And if Azzi plays even better in the next few games, and Aaliyah and Dorka feast on opposing frontcourts like they did today. That will be hard to ignore.

At the beginning of the season, I thought our healthy squad was likely to make the FF and had a good chance at making the NC game. I’d we have that team again — the one that beat Texas, NC St, Duke, Iowa, we’ll be formidable. The next couple days should tell us if we have that team again.

If that’s who we really are, and the committee can’t help but see it, I think that gets us a 2 seed, not a 1 seed. The temptation will be too strong for them to put SC, IU, the B10 winner and Stanford or Utah on the top line.

 

[Hayven]

What’s the rule regarding seeding and not placing teams from the same conference? Is it the regional?

 

[UcMiami]

What’s the rule regarding seeding and not placing teams from the same conference? Is it the regional?

It is trying to keep conference teams from meeting prior to a regional final. And in terms of top 8 (and top 16) separating them so they would only meet in the FF.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Here's my hot take: WAY too much importance is placed on a few days at the beginning of March. Why does one game take more precedence than a 16-20 game conference schedule? I've never liked how worked up everybody gets over conference tourneys. It's been proven that there is little correlation between how teams do in conference tourneys and how they do in the NCAA Tourney, so there is absolutely no reason why it should be treated as some kind of litmus test.

 

[fomalhaut]

Here's my hot take: WAY too much importance is placed on a few days at the beginning of March. Why does one game take more precedence than a 16-20 game conference schedule? I've never liked how worked up everybody gets over conference tourneys. It's been proven that there is little correlation between how teams do in conference tourneys and how they do in the NCAA Tourney, so there is absolutely no reason why it should be treated as some kind of litmus test.

Then why even have them? And why put winners automatically into the NCAA tournament?

 

[nwhoopfan]

Then why even have them? And why put winners automatically into the NCAA tournament?

Good question. I know there have been coaches in both mens and womens hoops who don't like conference tourneys and would rather do away with them.

But I'm sure they make money for the conferences, and the tv networks, and Vegas has to love having a bunch of people rolling into town since they host at least 4 conference tourneys now. I guess that's the best answer as to why have them, because they generate money (and drama and interest too).

As far as giving the auto bid to the tourney winner rather than the regular season champ, that's a decision the conferences make. For P5 conferences they probably look at it as a way to maybe get one more bid for their conference. For mid majors, maybe they get one more bid, or maybe they risk their best team not getting to go to the Tourney. There are some leagues that are just always gonna be only 1 bid, so you could have a terrible team get hot for 3 days and get into the Dance.

 

[Wbbfan1]

Indiana played a weak schedule.. they're like the LSU of the north central

Big 10 is a tough conference. You can make an argument that Big 10 was the best Women's Conference this year. An argument could be made for the PAC 12 as well. Big 10 and PAC 12 were the best Women's Conferences this year.