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I have owned an '86 Camaro Z28, '90 Acura Integra, '97 Nissan Maxima, '00 Maxima, '03 Infiniti FX 35, '14 Audi A6 3.0 and '17 Audi A6 3.0. I will say I loved the Audi brand the best. I just got a new one to replace my totalled '14. Lady hit it going 50 mph right on the wheel. The car didn't looked totaled but too much to fix near the tire. I also really loved the Infiniti as it was a big step up from Nissan. I have never had many issues with a car except for the camaro which made me never want an American car again. I would jump at a good luxury car as you can't replace the driving experience if you can get it at a good price and have a mechanic check it out.
 
I too wonder about this. I'm coming from the perspective of a guy who owned a 93 Toyota Corolla up until last year, and did all the work on it himself. It still runs fine. Best car I've ever seen.

When I did research on the CX-5 (I keep mentioning it because that's the one I know the most about), I was sold on future durability. These aren't remotely the same engines as the Turbo of old, even semi recently. Whether that plays out in actuality remains to be seen.

Honestly, I'm a little more concerned about the electronics holding up over time than the engine itself. Computers are computers and can degrade from the strain of heavy use; these cars rely so heavily on them. And that ain't be a cheap repair either. Nor is it as simple as heading down to your local mechanic.

Damn, you should have slapped a classic car license plate on that Corolla and driven around like a boss.
 
If you need to drive in the snow, snow tires are better than AWD with all-season tires. AWD is a waste unless you're climbing a lot of hills or need to go off road

I disagree greatly with this statement. I've owned a4 Quattro, s60 awd, Subaru outback awd. Those all out performed my Saab 93 and 900 with snow tires and nissan maxima with snow tires in the snow.

I do a lot of snow plowing and I rarely see awd cars stuck can't say the same for non awd.

Anyway most advice in thread is spot on. German cars will hurt you in the pockets. They are fun to drive but repairs are pain in the ass.

Get a hyundai, Subaru, Toyota, Hondas or lexus if you want luxury.
 
I appreciate all the feedback.

To try and consolidate the info in the four pages:

BMW: It appears that some people have great luck with them and love them, but the majority of the comments sounds the same concerns. It drives wonderfully, but will quarter and dollar me to death. I'm not sure I want that kind of a hassle.

Seems like the majority of people recommend either buying used or CPO and that Hondas and Mazdas get pretty good reviews.
 
A lot of good info.

I have a son who is in the auto retail business. He is car smart and savy, knows his products, and is not afraid to tell the truth. His recommendations for car purchase, new or used, are Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Subaru and Lexus. As many have stated, German vehicles, while sheak and trendy, are expensive to maintain.

I have owned many brands - Chevy (big bad Impala), Olds (Cutlass convertible), Plymouth, Dodge, Ford (Granda, 2 Explorers), Honda Accord wagon and an Accord EX coupe and now Mazda6. My wife has owned an Olds, Mercury, several Ford Tauruses and is on her second Lexus - an ES350.

Both our present cars are predicted to go to 200,000+ miles. If you want luxury go for Lexus on the used market. If those are too high, look at Mazda6. You will be surprised at how far your dollar will go in a Mazda.

The Mazda 3 is very high on my list. Its getting close to the end of the model year, so I'm thinking about swooping in and getting a new one for around $14 - $15k. Should be doable with how low the dealerships are starting to list them.
 
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Don't buy a car yet - the thread is only four pages long.

We have at least eight more pages in us.

We when car dies on the highway at rush hour, I'm going to regret this.
 
The Mazda 3 is very high on my list. Its getting close to the end of the model year, so I'm thinking about swooping in and getting a new one for around $14 - $15k. Should be doable with how low the dealerships are starting to list them.
Don't bank on that prize. Maybe a Mazda 2.
 
I would just say, if you buy German make sure you have a mechanic for service vs. dealer prices

It is absurd how much they charge vs. Japanese and even American

Japanese cars are the best for reliability, there is nothing better than a Honda Accord, albeit not overly sexy or exiciting
I just bought the new turbo Civic. An amazing car for the mileage it gets, 42mpg hwy. As much as I like Honda's, the best used car out there is anything made by Lexus from about 2005 to 2013. They are pretty much bullet proof. Find a Lexus with a single owner and 40,000 miles on it, and you can probably get a nice car and save some money too.
 
Haven't heard Suzuki mentioned, but it was the best car I ever owned for reliability. Was a 2003 Aerio, clunky looking, but was perfect for my 30-35 minute commute, in all weather with awd and snows. Was totaled by a young lady running a red light. Just took off the front 6" of the car, never hit the frame or wheels, but it was 120k and 13 years old. Not worth fixing, thanks to the stuff the state puts on the roads every winter. Buy a Florida car if you can.
 
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I've had 2 Mazda3s and have had no issues with either very reliable and the only work or money I've put in is for tires, brakes replacements etc.
 
If you need to drive in the snow, snow tires are better than AWD with all-season tires. AWD is a waste unless you're climbing a lot of hills or need to go off road
Please don't be offended, but this is both completely incorrect and horrible advice.

But really, a couple things about this thread.
You asked the question - "Please give me some guidance on buying car . . . ."
A lot of the answers are answers to the question: "What car do you like and recommend?"
Not quite the same.
First things first - all wheel drive is freaking awesome, if you drive in snow enough to make it worthwhile. Quick review (assuming no posi-traction/limited slip diffs) . . .
Rear wheel drive - one rear wheel powers car, old school, but some sports cars and trucks have it.
Front wheel drive - one front wheel powers car - standard.
AWD - Only intended to get you out of a stuck situation. Not a robust system, and not meant for heavy torque or high velocity use. On my CR-V, it is driven by a small shaft, a small rear differential, and an electric clutch. It will not come on if you slam the accelerator. Also, it shuts off automatically above a certain low speed. Also, it's automatic - there is no switch to engage it. When engaged, one front wheel and one rear wheel simultaneously power car.
FourWD - Like AWD, but you can manually engage it, it is robust and can handle the full torque of the engine, and can be operated at high velocity (although that is generally not needed or desirable, and, for example, the Rav4 I own will shut of 4WD over about 25mph). Like AWD, one front and one rear tire drive car when engaged.

I live in the snow belt off the lake. Took me several years of living here before I bought an AWD and 4WD - never going back. FrontWD with studded snows can't hold a candle to an AWD with all season radials with good treads (and never have to swap tires for winter). It's a value decision, really. What AWD does is make it a lot tougher to get stuck. A lot. You have to work hard to get stuck. FrontWD? one tire on ice or on the high side of a ditched car, and you might be done. Highly recommend if you drive in snow more than X times per year, with the number X determined by how much the several grand more you're going to pay means to you.

Regarding the car? Depends where you're at and where you're going in life.

Right? I can say "get a Honda" or "don't ever buy a Ford," but that neglects to consider what you want. You do a lot of beaver trapping? You're going to be able to trap a lot more beaver with a nifty looking used BMW or a Lexus than with a new Honda CR-V. A lot. You want to look professional getting out of the car? Better to step down out of a larger SUV than crawl out of a sedan. You want to have fun driving for not too much? Maybe a Jetta. You want to go off road? Maybe a Jeep. You want straight best value for the money? Hyundai. You want fuel efficiency? The new hybrid electrics are really competitive (again, Hyundai). You want to be as safe as possible? More mass is safer, and no amount of safety features, air bags, and the like will change that. All else being equal, but you'll pay for it in sticker price and fuel. Crumple zones and energy absorbing glass are nice, but a Pacifica hitting a Civic is a no contest. You want to easily make friends at my tavern? Ford 150, preferably with some unprimed Bondo work on the rocker panels.

My point is, take all of the input in this thread, but then find that car that fits your 1. Pocket 2. Purpose, and 3. Penchant.

Buy a car that you can afford, that will effectively do what you need it to do, while allowing you to get maximum enjoyment out of it. In that order, because 1 begets 2 which begets 3.
 
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I can afford it but will never buy new, I don't understand why people do.
Financing deals on New cars ( and lease deals) make buying new less expensive (monthly payment-wise) than buying used.
 
Please don't be offended, but this is both completely incorrect and horrible advice.

But really, a couple things about this thread.
You asked the question - "Please give me some guidance on buying car . . . ."
A lot of the answers are answers to the question: "What car do you like and recommend?"
Not quite the same.
First things first - all wheel drive is freaking awesome, if you drive in snow enough to make it worthwhile. Quick review (assuming no posi-traction/limited slip diffs) . . .
Rear wheel drive - one rear wheel powers car, old school, but some sports cars and trucks have it.
Front wheel drive - one front wheel powers car - standard.
AWD - Only intended to get you out of a stuck situation. Not a robust system, and not meant for heavy torque or high velocity use. On my CR-V, it is driven by a small shaft, a small rear differential, and an electric clutch. It will not come on if you slam the accelerator. Also, it shuts off automatically above a certain low speed. Also, it's automatic - there is no switch to engage it. When engaged, one front wheel and one rear wheel simultaneously power car.
FourWD - Like AWD, but you can manually engage it, it is robust and can handle the full torque of the engine, and can be operated at high velocity (although that is generally not needed or desirable, and, for example, the Rav4 I own will shut of 4WD over about 25mph). Like AWD, one front and one rear tire drive car when engaged.

I live in the snow belt off the lake. Took me several years of living here before I bought an AWD and 4WD - never going back. FrontWD with studded snows can't hold a candle to an AWD with all season radials with good treads (and never have to swap tires for winter). It's a value decision, really. What AWD does is make it a lot tougher to get stuck. A lot. You have to work hard to get stuck. FrontWD? one tire on ice or on the high side of a ditched car, and you might be done. Highly recommend if you drive in snow more than X times per year, with the number X determined by how much the several grand more you're going to pay means to you.

Regarding the car? Depends where you're at and where you're going in life.

Right? I can say "get a Honda" or "don't ever buy a Ford," but that neglects to consider what you want. You do a lot of beaver trapping? You're going to be able to trap a lot more beaver with a nifty looking used BMW or a Lexus than with a new Honda CR-V. A lot. You want to look professional getting out of the car? Better to step down out of a larger SUV than crawl out of a sedan. You want to have fun driving for not too much? Maybe a Jetta. You want to go off road? Maybe a Jeep. You want straight best value for the money? Hyundai. You want fuel efficiency? The new hybrid electrics are really competitive (again, Hyundai). You want to be as safe as possible? More mass is safer, and no amount of safety features, air bags, and the like will change that. All else being equal, but you'll pay for it in sticker price and fuel. Crumple zones and energy absorbing glass are nice, but a Pacifica hitting a Civic is a no contest. You want to easily make friends at my tavern? Ford 150, preferably with some unprimed Bondo work on the rocker panels.

My point is, take all of the input in this thread, but then find that car that fits your 1. Pocket 2. Purpose, and 3. Penchant.

Buy a car that you can afford, that will effectively do what you need it to do, while allowing you to get maximum enjoyment out of it. In that order, because 1 begets 2 which begets 3.

Most of what you said is irrelevant to 90% of people. Of course there are some rare exceptions but for driving in Connecticut on highways and around town I'll take my 6spd FWD car with snow tires over your AWD or 4x4 with all seasons any day of the week. And it wouldn't be close

I'm also not OP.
 
Please don't be offended, but this is both completely incorrect and horrible advice.

But really, a couple things about this thread.
You asked the question - "Please give me some guidance on buying car . . . ."
A lot of the answers are answers to the question: "What car do you like and recommend?"
Not quite the same.
First things first - all wheel drive is freaking awesome, if you drive in snow enough to make it worthwhile. Quick review (assuming no posi-traction/limited slip diffs) . . .
Rear wheel drive - one rear wheel powers car, old school, but some sports cars and trucks have it.
Front wheel drive - one front wheel powers car - standard.
AWD - Only intended to get you out of a stuck situation. Not a robust system, and not meant for heavy torque or high velocity use. On my CR-V, it is driven by a small shaft, a small rear differential, and an electric clutch. It will not come on if you slam the accelerator. Also, it shuts off automatically above a certain low speed. Also, it's automatic - there is no switch to engage it. When engaged, one front wheel and one rear wheel simultaneously power car.
FourWD - Like AWD, but you can manually engage it, it is robust and can handle the full torque of the engine, and can be operated at high velocity (although that is generally not needed or desirable, and, for example, the Rav4 I own will shut of 4WD over about 25mph). Like AWD, one front and one rear tire drive car when engaged.

I live in the snow belt off the lake. Took me several years of living here before I bought an AWD and 4WD - never going back. FrontWD with studded snows can't hold a candle to an AWD with all season radials with good treads (and never have to swap tires for winter). It's a value decision, really. What AWD does is make it a lot tougher to get stuck. A lot. You have to work hard to get stuck. FrontWD? one tire on ice or on the high side of a ditched car, and you might be done. Highly recommend if you drive in snow more than X times per year, with the number X determined by how much the several grand more you're going to pay means to you.

Regarding the car? Depends where you're at and where you're going in life.

Right? I can say "get a Honda" or "don't ever buy a Ford," but that neglects to consider what you want. You do a lot of beaver trapping? You're going to be able to trap a lot more beaver with a nifty looking used BMW or a Lexus than with a new Honda CR-V. A lot. You want to look professional getting out of the car? Better to step down out of a larger SUV than crawl out of a sedan. You want to have fun driving for not too much? Maybe a Jetta. You want to go off road? Maybe a Jeep. You want straight best value for the money? Hyundai. You want fuel efficiency? The new hybrid electrics are really competitive (again, Hyundai). You want to be as safe as possible? More mass is safer, and no amount of safety features, air bags, and the like will change that. All else being equal, but you'll pay for it in sticker price and fuel. Crumple zones and energy absorbing glass are nice, but a Pacifica hitting a Civic is a no contest. You want to easily make friends at my tavern? Ford 150, preferably with some unprimed Bondo work on the rocker panels.

My point is, take all of the input in this thread, but then find that car that fits your 1. Pocket 2. Purpose, and 3. Penchant.

Buy a car that you can afford, that will effectively do what you need it to do, while allowing you to get maximum enjoyment out of it. In that order, because 1 begets 2 which begets 3.
The most important feature of a car is the ability to stop when needed. Never had a problem going with awd, but felt the stopping control was the best part. My best awd moment was coming home in a snow storm, following someone down a fairly steep but straight road that went back up the other side. The person in front was on the brakes, barely moving down the hill, and didn't have enough momentum to climb the other side. Kept spinning and sliding, and finally stopped. Luckily there was a turn to right just ahead and the road was wide enough. Just drove aroind them like I was on dry pavement. That was when I became a believer.
 
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Most of what you said is irrelevant to 90% of people.
Yeah but, you didn't ascertain whether the OP was in the 10% group, and you made a blanket statement. So that's typically a mark of bad advice.
I qualified my statement with a metric for how much snow a driver gets.
Also, anybody who has driven AWD/4WD and doesn't think they are worth the money probably lives in an area where getting stuck is not an issue. No doubt.
So.
 
Yeah but, you didn't ascertain whether the OP was in the 10% group, and you made a blanket statement. So that's typically a mark of bad advice.
I qualified my statement with a metric for how much snow a driver gets.
Also, anybody who has driven AWD/4WD and doesn't think they are worth the money probably lives in an area where getting stuck is not an issue. No doubt.
So.

Let me know how good all seasons are at stopping in inclement weathet compared to winter tires and then get back to me.

Pretty much anyone who does anything with cars for a living will take snow tires and 2WD over a 4x4 or AWD vehicle with all seasons.

Stop on a hill and then see what gets going faster. Hint: it will be the car with winter tires.
 
Yeah but, you didn't ascertain whether the OP was in the 10% group, and you made a blanket statement. So that's typically a mark of bad advice.
I qualified my statement with a metric for how much snow a driver gets.
Also, anybody who has driven AWD/4WD and doesn't think they are worth the money probably lives in an area where getting stuck is not an issue. No doubt.
So.

I'd much rather put snows on an awd car than keep year round all seasons. Jack of all trades master of none sort of thing. At the end of the day only two wheels will be braking the car and awd won't help you come to a stop.

Besides summers are sooo much nicer to have on when it's nice out and you're on a back road...

Edit: this gif comes to mind:
 
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Haven't heard Suzuki mentioned, but it was the best car I ever owned for reliability. Was a 2003 Aerio, clunky looking, but was perfect for my 30-35 minute commute, in all weather with awd and snows. Was totaled by a young lady running a red light. Just took off the front 6" of the car, never hit the frame or wheels, but it was 120k and 13 years old. Not worth fixing, thanks to the stuff the state puts on the roads every winter. Buy a Florida car if you can.

If you're buying outside of your home area look to the Southwest or West in general - those cars will be in much better condition than anything in the Southeastern US. How do I know, I buy lots of cars and have friends that are in the car business and it's pretty well known that cars west of the Rockies have the benefit of living their life in very dry climates and are routinely the cars that stay in the best condition.

Getting cars from very sunny locations can do a job on paint, one of my 740's came from Vegas and the paint was a touch dull. My last Toyota Land Cruiser came out of a Acura dealer in Bakersfield and it's spotless. Both of those cars came back to Upstate NY.

If you're buying in another state or across the country - be smart with the transport you use if you're not flying in and driving back.
 
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Financing deals on New cars ( and lease deals) make buying new less expensive (monthly payment-wise) than buying used.

Perhaps, but what you lose in depreciation makes up for that. If you are going to drive it in to the ground, fine, but if you want to trade in or resell, that depreciation cost shows up down the road.
 
I'd much rather put snows on an awd car than keep year round all seasons. Jack of all trades master of none sort of thing. At the end of the day only two wheels will be braking the car and awd won't help you come to a stop.

Besides summers are sooo much nicer to have on when it's nice out and you're on a back road...

Edit: this gif comes to mind:


It's why I always see trucks and SUVs in ditches on my way home during bad storms. They don't realize how important stopping is.
 
Let me know how good all seasons are at stopping in inclement weathet compared to winter tires and then get back to me.

Pretty much anyone who does anything with cars for a living will take snow tires and 2WD over a 4x4 or AWD vehicle with all seasons.

Stop on a hill and then see what gets going faster. Hint: it will be the car with winter tires.

Debatable depending on car and drive system though. Some computer based TCS systems will push one or other ahead in the race. Selecting the right vehicle for snow is the most important point in the whole discussion. Take a few year old Hyundai Elantra in the snow vs something like an Accord. The Elantra absolutely blows (I know), whereas the Accord, while not perfect by any means, fairs far better.

And my dad's Elantra with snow tires fairs far worse than my AWD CX-5 with all season radials. It's not close.

Of course, the gold standard is AWD with snow tires. And it's not remotely close.
 
It's why I always see trucks and SUVs in ditches on my way home during bad storms. They don't realize how important stopping is.

One of the reasons you see this is dumb drivers who think because they drive an AWD/4x4, they can drive the exact same way in the snow as they do in clear conditions. Have to account for that idiocy.
 
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If you want an amazing car that is luxurious, performs well, and is incredibly reliable take a look at an Acura TL. I did a quick search and found many 2012-13 models with around 50k miles in the $15,000 range. You get the reliability of a Honda, the performance of a BMW, and the luxury of a Cadillac.
 
I just bought the new turbo Civic. An amazing car for the mileage it gets, 42mpg hwy. As much as I like Honda's, the best used car out there is anything made by Lexus from about 2005 to 2013. They are pretty much bullet proof. Find a Lexus with a single owner and 40,000 miles on it, and you can probably get a nice car and save some money too.

Good advice. As someone who owned probably over 40+ cars (lost count), Lexus is my top choice if you care about reliability and quality of workmanship. I had many BMWs as well as my wife's family members. When my mother-in-law's 5 series BWM died in the middle of the highway while she was driving due to electrical issues, I stopped buying BMWs. I am sure others had better luck with BWMs, but that was not a good experience. BWMs are fun to drive, but I had all kinds of major and minor issues with them throughout the years. I would avoid them if you care about potential costly repairs.
 
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