Illinois Post Game Thread

[thekollieman]

This is wrong. Show me a 20 playclock with 2:32 on the screen. I can show you a 2:29 screenshot with 19 seconds.

I took a shot of my screen with my camera.

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Interesting… so the rabbit hole goes deeper. Love the picture. How do we go from 30 (when it should have been 20) on the clock at 2:32 to 19 at 2:29? If you measure it from this moment in time then it never would have been a shot clock violation at all, but they still did initially reset the shot clock upon Reibe’s possession of the rebound at 2:32.

 

[thekollieman]

I don’t know why so much obsession about that call. The refs made a lot of mistakes and bad calls today. It was an awful crew and in my opinion the mistakes mostly benefited Illinois.

Also the clocks on TV aren’t always the real
clocks.

Good point about the TV clocks. I can only speak for myself, but I’m perseverating on it just because it was never explained to a degree that actually settled it. Your point about the TV clocks might just be that explanation, because the broadcast shot clock was screwed up throughout the game (showing 30 for some consequential amount of time before suddenly starting a countdown from 20 after any given offensive rebounds - I don’t know how many times this happened, but it caught my eye at least twice outside of the possession we’re all talking about).

 

[thekollieman]

My take is if the shot clock shows 18 seconds, that is what the players on the floor are going to rely on. It would hardly be fair to UConn to show that they have 18 seconds left and then call them for a shot clock violation

I completely agree with that.

 

[Leebo]

Someone just needs to take the clip into a video editor and see how many seconds from "ball in hands after rim contact" to "ball out of the hand on the Smith three".

Any other calculations are not going to reveal anything definitive because of how wonky the TV display can be.

 

[thekollieman]

No... that wasn't the explanation given.

This screenshot also doesn't capture the reset of the clock which did not happen at 2:32.

It happened at 2:31 or 2:30.

This makes all the difference.

Look at this screenshot: 2:29 on the clock. 19 seconds on the play clock. If the guy hadn't reset the clock after Karaban's miss, the play clock would have expired at either 2:11 or 2:10. Malachi was fouled before 2:11 (the whistle came at that time) but he let the ball go at 2:10.

[For some reason my screenshot off of youtube tv is just blacked out, but trust me the clock reset properly, and at 2:29, the play clock was at 19 seconds.]

How could the refs make any other ruling?

Combining your picture and my picture leads me to believe there was something fundamentally wrong with the shot clock reset in general. Reibe had full possession of the offensive rebound and a fresh 30 seconds (which should have been 20) on the shot clock at 2:32 game clock. Some time passed (apparently about 2 seconds) before it changed from reading 30 to 20 and counting.

I also noticed this “30 then suddenly 20 and counting” after other offensive rebounds during the game. I think the clock had a bug… or funny business? Didn’t seem to influence the game - including on the possession in question. Even if it were a turnover and UConn was up by 7 with 2:10 left, I have every confidence they would’ve still won.

 

[jostar1]

 

[jostar1]

Nice picture of Reed and Reibe.

 

[TheHorde]

Austin blows.

Wish I could love this twice

 

[NJHoops]

We’re certainly a long ways away from when there were legitimate worries about him ever wanting to be part of the program again.

 

[Jaydumo20]

Stew was 1-5 from 3

Im kind of over stats. They are revisionist. You are correct, but his 3 was timely. Also, solos 1st half is why we were up so big. That 1st half was so important it won us the game.

 

[Mike Honcho]

Solo is so good from midrange and at the basket right now

It's been remarkable improvement.

 

[storrsroars]

Im kind of over stats. They are revisionist.

I wish MLB writers understood this because Oneil Cruz was the true NL MVP this year.

/s

 

[MGD15]

Any idea why Mullins didn’t even sit on the bench when he was not in the game was just standing in the back tunnel ?

 

[husky429]

Any idea why Mullins didn’t even sit on the bench when he was not in the game was just standing in the back tunnel ?

Might've been getting his ankle worked on between stints.

 

[JakeTheDog]

Absolutely love the work Coach Hurley has done to maintain continuity between the program’s different eras.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Austin blows.

Something we should all be able to agree on.

 

[upstater]

Combining your picture and my picture leads me to believe there was something fundamentally wrong with the shot clock reset in general. Reibe had full possession of the offensive rebound and a fresh 30 seconds (which should have been 20) on the shot clock at 2:32 game clock. Some time passed (apparently about 2 seconds) before it changed from reading 30 to 20 and counting.

I also noticed this “30 then suddenly 20 and counting” after other offensive rebounds during the game. I think the clock had a bug… or funny business? Didn’t seem to influence the game - including on the possession in question. Even if it were a turnover and UConn was up by 7 with 2:10 left, I have every confidence they would’ve still won.

I think you're seeing the TV reset. With my naked eyes in real time, I never saw the 30. You caught it instantly. Great job.

But when I watch it, I just see the 20. And it wasn't a bothced reset or anything wrong by the timekeeper. He saw Reibe come down with it, hit the button, and the clock reset at 2:31. This is what I wrote in my first post on the matter. I do not think you'll find a screenshot showing the 20 second time clock at 2:32.

But here's the larger point: This is what happens exactly on every single play. The timekeeper waits for the player to grab possession, and only then does the clock reset. It doesn't reset as soon as the ball touched the player's hands.

Everything that happened was really proper EXCEPT for the reset after the Karaban shot and (POSSIBLY) the refs allowing Malachi counting Malachi's shot (even though I think it left his hand after time expired). But I don't know the rule on that. Seems right that if you're fouled and the ball is in your hand, then continuation should not be a factor -- but again, I don't know the rule on that.

 

[upstater]

Someone just needs to take the clip into a video editor and see how many seconds from "ball in hands after rim contact" to "ball out of the hand on the Smith three".

Any other calculations are not going to reveal anything definitive because of how wonky the TV display can be.

?

We already know that though. The initial 20 second clock appears at 2:31. Malachi fouled at 2:11. Malachi shoots at 2:10.

 

[Chin Diesel]

It feels good again to be beating top 15 teams by double digits and leading all game and still nitpicking about it being an "average" game overall.

 

[CL82]

I’ve been on this BY for almost 27 years
lurking and have been a poster since 2012-13
To break into the top 100 stupidest posts is probably the most difficult thing to accomplish. If you include the conference realignment forum breaking into the top 1000 is elite company..

And really, I don't think anything is bumping the love portion post out of the top spot.

 

[CL82]

Some of it must be due to autocorrect but in this thread I’ve seen:

Reiner
Reibel
Reliebe
Riebe

It’s Reibe. Eric Reibe.

Although Heinrich Reiner sounds like he would be a tough rebounder.

 

[ucp990411]

I am a high school math teacher. Maybe I should pose this question to my students.
Lol

Ask them how many points a team gets for a 3 pt shot

 

[RuffRuff]

A baseball player would know. The greatest and toughest athletes in the world along with golfers.

First you bash Reed for not playing when hurt, then you bash him for not playing well when hurt.

Love Reed - might be my favorite player on the team. Have you seen any of the background stuff on him? Hurley having to shift him from Teddy Bear to Kodiak? I am not bashing him - I'm simply saying that he's a softie. My god people, take the poles out of your collective butts.

 

[ucp990411]

We had a big lead. Then we did not. We gave up a big lead. Not THE lead.

We kept pushing but we missed 14 or our last 16 shots according to my stats.

 

[thekollieman]

I think you're seeing the TV reset. With my naked eyes in real time, I never saw the 30. You caught it instantly. Great job.

But when I watch it, I just see the 20. And it wasn't a bothced reset or anything wrong by the timekeeper. He saw Reibe come down with it, hit the button, and the clock reset at 2:31. This is what I wrote in my first post on the matter. I do not think you'll find a screenshot showing the 20 second time clock at 2:32.

But here's the larger point: This is what happens exactly on every single play. The timekeeper waits for the player to grab possession, and only then does the clock reset. It doesn't reset as soon as the ball touched the player's hands.

Everything that happened was really proper EXCEPT for the reset after the Karaban shot and (POSSIBLY) the refs allowing Malachi counting Malachi's shot (even though I think it left his hand after time expired). But I don't know the rule on that. Seems right that if you're fouled and the ball is in your hand, then continuation should not be a factor -- but again, I don't know the rule on that.

I just turned it back on and realized the shot clock goes to 30 on rim contact and then 20 when an offensive player secures it. That picture I posted a bunch just shows before the clock operator reset it (arguably they reset it late), but now I understand the 30 before 20 thing… that being said, I’m not ruling out a glitch because in the first 30 (initiating the possession) it flashed 30 for a moment between 26 and 25 lol. I don’t know what to say about that but now I’m convinced, based on the clock operator’s determination of when Reibe possessed the rebound, Malachi would’ve gotten the shot off later, within that 20.