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If you want to get rid of Ollie

noeynox said:
Like I said if a guy wants to leave, live with that. We just can't afford that type of buyouts given our conference money.
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Right well that seems pretty obvious now.
 
whaler11 said:
If the buyout is 10 million they literally can’t make a change.

If it’s 1 they can.
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But the posted text definitely makes it seem like it's much closer to $1M than it is $10M.

THAT BEING SAID, even IF, it was $10M that is a drop in the bucket, you pay it and don't wince. The brand value of what we have here is in the hundreds of millions of dollars with social value far beyond that to our state and residents. No administrator worth their weight would deny that, if anything $$$ is the one thing they do know and understand moreso than basketball.
 
BUConn10 said:
But the posted text definitely makes it seem like it's much closer to $1M than it is $10M.

THAT BEING SAID, even IF, it was $10M that is a drop in the bucket, you pay it and don't wince. The brand value of what we have here is in the hundreds of millions of dollars with social value far beyond that to our state and residents. No administrator worth their weight would deny that, if anything $$$ is the one thing they do know and understand moreso than basketball.
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They don’t have 10 million dollars.

They don’t have a printing press.

The only way to get ten million dollars is to drop sports.
 
Inflated coaching buyouts are a result of the media fueled, constant coaching arms race frenzy that we see every offseason, and now often for big hitter schools really at any point in the season when performance dips below expectation. It's largely a football problem but basketball is certainly not immune to it. Also consider the leverage Ollie had with NBA rumors and unprecedented success so early into his tenure and the buyout really isn't excessive relative to the landscape at all, it's actually quite standard.
 
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BUConn10 said:
I understand your frustration, you are right in that the fan turnout has not been up to par but I really do believe that passionate fan base DOES in fact exist, and in strong numbers.

I think a part of the problem is simply northeastern attitudes. We are the most densely populated region of the country, our surrounding sports teams typically have unparalleled success and cost of living is high so people, especially families (UConn is 100% a family friendly program and institution) means poor results tend to get people partitioning their income and time in different ways. This isn't the south where it's literally just farmland and a few family owned businesses in between, making the local college team literally the only thing keeping the community together day-to-day, there is a MAJOR cultural difference, and the fan turnouts will show that.

We also can't discount the opinions of the fan base. People often times here say things like "what is said on the Boneyard has no bearing on the program" which is obviously true in a literal sense, but how can the feelings of the program's most dedicated fans (who take the time to post on a fan forum) not in a way represent a general feeling of the overall fan base? These opinions and feelings trickle down, people talk around beers when at the bar watching the highlights of yet another head scratching defeat. And to my main point, when the fan base is unhappy they will let it be known, and administration will be forced to make changes, whether right or wrong, it's simply business, we live in a culture where capitalism permeates every aspect of our lives (I know I know commie!) but at the end of the day money talks, and for UConn bball that's basically just ticket sales at the moment in this collegiate athletics oligarchy.
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I want to believe this, but apathy has set in big time. I've been at the Rent since the Indiana opener and before that at Municipal for a couple of games. I was one of the younger guys then, there hasn't been a next wave to replace those older faces. The conference has expedited that exodus in fan excitement and has coincided with terrible products in the field and court. Call it the perfect storm if you will.
 
whaler11 said:
They don’t have 10 million dollars.

They don’t have a printing press.

The only way to get ten million dollars is to drop sports.
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Wrong. Things are tight right now but this is an over-reaction in my opinion.
 
noeynox said:
I want to believe this, but apathy has set in big time. I've been at the Rent since the Indiana opener and before that at Municipal for a couple of games. I was one of the younger guys then, there hasn't been a next wave to replace those older faces. The conference has expedited that exodus in fan excitement and has coincided with terrible products in the field and court. Call it the perfect storm if you will.
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The problem with the scenario you posited is that you are referencing The Rent and the toxic football program.

College football is fundamentally 100% not culturally relevant in the northeast. Yes we had some gritty old timer fans with beards and the "tailgating look" at the Rent in the past but they are outliers. College football isn't relevant to the northeasterners psyche because high school football is also secondary in most communities. Compare this with the south and Midwest where both are community cornerstones and you realize why we are not only in a cultural CFB wasteland but also in the heart of CFB recruiting wasteland. We will NEVER be big time in football, it's simply not going to happen. You need to take college football out of your lens of UConn Men's basketball's future trajectory and fan satisfaction. We can press forward and improve with OR without college football, but you can't use one to compare the health of the other in my opinion for the reasons stated.
 
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gampelcrazies said:
They have a lot more money then you think.
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Yet they sold a home game to Fenway to come up with Diaco money.

They tax the students almost $30MM a year.

But yeah they are flush with cash.
 
whaler11 said:
Yet they sold a home game to Fenway to come up with Diaco money.

They tax the students almost $30MM a year.

But yeah they are flush with cash.
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Don't get me wrong they aren't flush with cash like some P5 schools but if they want to make this move they can
 
gampelcrazies said:
Don't get me wrong they aren't flush with cash like some P5 schools but if they want to make this move they can
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If it’s 10MM they can’t do squadoosh.
 
Alright all I'm gunna say is the idea that Ollie doesn't care about how things are going is dumb. Obviously he cares. Can he turn it around? I don't know, I sure hope so. But the idea that he doesn't care that we got killed on national TV is dumb.
 
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superjohn said:
Have they been documenting all his behavior? Could get ugly.
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I hope they have. Maybe Ollie doesn't sue if he wants to keep his public image intact. That kind of sounds like blackmail though lol
 
JMick said:
I hope they have. Maybe Ollie doesn't sue if he wants to keep his public image intact. That kind of sounds like blackmail though lol
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That won't happen, let's get it out of our heads right now. What you guys are theorizing would be disastrous for all parties involved.
 
BUConn10 said:
That won't happen, let's get it out of our heads right now. What you guys are theorizing would be disastrous for all parties involved.
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You can't really fire him now based on anything that's happened in the past. What you can do is keep a record and if something else happens, use that as cause with past transgressions as a pattern of behavior. That's if everything is documented.
 
What Calhoun's buyout from the St Joseph contract?

gotta pay that as well.....Head bang
 
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BUConn10 said:
The problem with the scenario you posited is that you are referencing The Rent and the toxic football program.

College football is fundamentally 100% not culturally relevant in the northeast. Yes we had some gritty old timer fans with beards and the "tailgating look" at the Rent in the past but they are outliers. College football isn't relevant to the northeasterners psyche because high school football is also secondary in most communities. Compare this with the south and Midwest where both are community cornerstones and you realize why we are not only in a cultural CFB wasteland but also in the heart of CFB recruiting wasteland. We will NEVER be big time in football, it's simply not going to happen. You need to take college football out of your lens of UConn Men's basketball's future trajectory and fan satisfaction. We can press forward and improve with OR without college football, but you can't use one to compare the health of the other in my opinion for the reasons stated.
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It's apathy. It's encompassing the whole athletic program. Bury your head in the sand if you want. We are not far removed from 2 national titles in mens basketball and it's empty seats galore.
 
noeynox said:
It's apathy. It's encompassing the whole athletic program. Bury your head in the sand if you want. We are not far removed from 2 national titles in mens basketball and it's empty seats galore.
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I am the opposite of burying my head in the sand my friend. WOKE.
 
BUConn10 said:
Seriously. This is Connecticut.
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You want $10M to materialize out of thin air, when they still are $7M short of paying for the basketball practice facility?

If the buyout is $10M it simply isn't going to happen just because you say you want it to.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
You want $10M to materialize out of thin air, when they still are $7M short of paying for the basketball practice facility?

If the buyout is $10M it simply isn't going to happen just because you say you want it to.
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The practice facility was set to be appropriated with private funds, it's not really a "broke school/state" issue yet to my understanding. Also it's $10M (theoretically), this is a big business. You don't tank everything just because of a large fee, you pay it and make it work down the line. $10M won't be the reason for UConn bball' continued decline if it comes to that, believe me.
 
superjohn said:
We have our answer on Ollie, our only hope is to come up with whatever money is needed and get rid of him before more damage is done.
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That ain't gonna happen. We just sold our soul for a couple of bucks to help buyout the football coach.
 
BUConn10 said:
The practice facility was set to be appropriated with private funds, it's not really a "broke school/state" issue yet to my understanding. Also it's $10M (theoretically), this is a big business. You don't tank everything just because of a large fee, you pay it and make it work down the line. $10M won't be the reason for UConn bball' continued decline if it comes to that, believe me.
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How do you think the school is going to justify to the state spending $10M to get ride of a coach and then shelling out another $2M for a replacement?

Forget UConn basketball, what about the state's decline or the students who bear the burden of these fees.
 
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