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If you want to get rid of Ollie

Excalibur said:
We've already had staff replacements. If we can't raise the $$ it looks as if our fate is sealed.
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I was thinking something along the lines of when Dave tried to force Diaco to hire a new OC. Bring in someone that has a different offensive philosophy. If Ollie isn't willing to change then, yes, we have to accept his approach might never work and we are stuck with it.
 
noeynox said:
Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. This from the same people who brought you Diaco's raise and extension. The same people who told you everything was fine and UConn fans had nothing to worry about during CR only to later tell you they were tired of talking about CR.

No wonder Ollie sits there looking like he could give 2 shirts the team is being humiliated on national TV. Zero reason to worC.F..

The frigging pain.
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Bunch of idiots.
 
whaler11 said:
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You have two choices:

1. Drum up 8 figures to satisfy his contract.

2. Set him up to go for cause.

Hopefully that reality will save us the same conversation every game for the next 4 years.

(stole the contract info from Fishy’s twitter).

Ironically this contract is reason to fire everyone on the UConn side who negotiatiated it for cause.
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Sheeze that's really bad. Only option is to hope he gets better. Just not seeing it. Oh well, AAC for life!!!
 
Penfield said:
I was thinking something along the lines of when Dave tried to force Diaco to hire a new OC. Bring in someone that has a different offensive philosophy. If Ollie isn't willing to change then, yes, we have to accept his approach might never work and we are stuck with it.
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we already did that
 
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The buyout won't be an issue if that's where the administration decides to go with it. This state and university have far too much invested in this program to let one or two million dollars be the reason we continue to tank brand value. The passionate fan base Jim Calhoun developed over his nearly 3 decade tenure is simply too large and too powerful in a relatively wealthy state with no real other sport to truly call its own to simply let something so special just wither away over what really amounts to a very small sum relative to the hugely bloated coaching buyouts in college sports these days.

tl;dr if a change is decided to be made, the buyout will literally be a non-issue.
 
Excalibur said:
Factually incorrect . . . plus we found Diaco's replacement at a bargain basement price. That won't be the case here.
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Athletic Departments like ours don't get an infinite amount of contract screw ups. Guess that's what you get when you hire a guy from Buffalo. Didn't know go to handle high profile hiring. Doofus.
 
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BUConn10 said:
The buyout won't be an issue if that's where the administration decides to go with it. This state and university have far too much invested in this program to let one or two million dollars be the reason we continue to tank brand value. The passionate fan base Jim Calhoun developed over his nearly 3 decade tenure is simply too large and too powerful in a relatively wealthy state with no real other sport to truly call its own to simply let something so special just wither away over what really amounts to a very small sum relative to the hugely bloated coaching buyouts in college sports these days.

tl;dr if a change is decided to be made, the buyout will literally be a non-issue.
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And yet, where is this passionate, influential fan base on game days? Our fan base that Calhoun built is aging out just like he did.
 
noeynox said:
Athletic Departments like ours don't get an infinite amount of contract screw ups. Guess that's what you get when you hire a guy from Buffalo. Didn't know go to handle high profile hiring. Doofus.
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I get the hiring of Ollie -- the outgoing coach used every ounce of his substantial influence to strong-arm him into the hire, and his instincts to be hesitant were ultimately proven correct. The extension, and Diaco's before it, were monumentally stupid.
 
noeynox said:
Athletic Departments like ours don't get an infinite amount of contract screw ups. Guess that's what you get when you hire a guy from Buffalo. Didn't know go to handle high profile hiring. Doofus.
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Can you really blame Warde or Benedict for this situation? I would have locked Ollie up too. I think a lot of us thought we had our HC for the next 20 years barring him leaving for the NBA.
 
Excalibur said:
I get the hiring of Ollie -- the outgoing coach used every ounce of his substantial influence to strong-arm him into the hire, and his instincts to be hesitant were ultimately proven correct. The extension, and Diaco's before it, were monumentally stupid.
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Yeah Warde is the one that gave him 7 months to prove him self, and he kinda did.
 
Penfield said:
Can you really blame Warde or Benedict for this situation? I would have locked Ollie up too. I think a lot of us thought we had our HC for the next 20 years barring him leaving for the NBA.
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The latest extension was signed with Warde on his way out the door, after two uninspiring seasons . . .
 
Excalibur said:
I get the hiring of Ollie -- the outgoing coach used every ounce of his substantial influence to strong-arm him into the hire, and his instincts to be hesitant were ultimately proven correct. The extension, and Diaco's before it, were monumentally stupid.
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Maybe JC can help with the buyout then.
 
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Penfield said:
Can you really blame Warde or Benedict for this situation? I would have locked Ollie up too. I think a lot of us thought we had our HC for the next 20 years barring him leaving for the NBA.
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The buyouts were absurd for coaches with a combined 4 years of experience.
 
Excalibur said:
I get the hiring of Ollie -- the outgoing coach used every ounce of his substantial influence to strong-arm him into the hire, and his instincts to be hesitant were ultimately proven correct. The extension, and Diaco's before it, were monumentally stupid.
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No I agree. Ollie got off to a rousing start. Looked hungry. Now he looks comatose on the bench. Could be my perception because we suck. Warde was hesitant as you said but I don't know he just painted us into a corner with this and Diaco.


The most troubling part to me yesterday was keeping the starters in to pad their individual stats. Dudes laughing and smiling as they scored meaningless baskets. The last 5 minutes of that game should habe been the end of the bench. Who cares if you lose by 35 or 50.
 
Football coaches Graham and Sumlin are owed 12 and 10 million on their buyouts. I realize those schools get a lot more conference money.
 
Penfield said:
Can you really blame Warde or Benedict for this situation? I would have locked Ollie up too. I think a lot of us thought we had our HC for the next 20 years barring him leaving for the NBA.
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Yes. You are right, but they gave up ALL leverage with that language. All of it.
 
jibsey said:
Football coaches Graham and Sumlin are owed 12 and 10 million on their buyouts. I realize those schools get a lot more conference money.
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Herein lies the problem. You can't agree to those types of buyouts if you can't afford it. If the guy leaves for greener pastures so be it. Don't box yourself in with these buyouts. Hell offer more money and a lower buyout. Makes more sense to make them sung for their supper.
 
BUConn10 said:
The buyout won't be an issue if that's where the administration decides to go with it. This state and university have far too much invested in this program to let one or two million dollars be the reason we continue to tank brand value. The passionate fan base Jim Calhoun developed over his nearly 3 decade tenure is simply too large and too powerful in a relatively wealthy state with no real other sport to truly call its own to simply let something so special just wither away over what really amounts to a very small sum relative to the hugely bloated coaching buyouts in college sports these days.

tl;dr if a change is decided to be made, the buyout will literally be a non-issue.
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If the buyout is 10 million they literally can’t make a change.

If it’s 1 they can.
 
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noeynox said:
Yes. You are right, but they gave up ALL leverage with that language. All of it.
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I am not an expert, but I would think the importance of the buyout was to also protect the university in the case of Ollie leaving for a new job (which seemed necessary at the time). If Warde and whoever else really drew up a one sided contract that only protected Ollie than I guess they got duped.
 
Penfield said:
I am not an expert, but I would think the importance of the buyout was to also protect the university in the case of Ollie leaving for a new job (which seemed necessary at the time). If Warde and whoever else really drew up a one sided contract that only protected Ollie than I guess they got duped.
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Like I said if a guy wants to leave, live with that. We just can't afford that type of buyouts given our conference money.
 
Excalibur said:
The latest extension was signed with Warde on his way out the door, after two uninspiring seasons . . .
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2014-15 was bad, but he had the excuse of rebuilding from a championship.

2015-16 wasn't great, but the end of the season made it seem like things had turned a corner.
 
Penfield said:
I am not an expert, but I would think the importance of the buyout was to also protect the university in the case of Ollie leaving for a new job (which seemed necessary at the time). If Warde and whoever else really drew up a one sided contract that only protected Ollie than I guess they got duped.
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Pretty sure Ollie's buyout is a separate clause.
 
noeynox said:
And yet, where is this passionate, influential fan base on game days? Our fan base that Calhoun built is aging out just like he did.
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I understand your frustration, you are right in that the fan turnout has not been up to par but I really do believe that passionate fan base DOES in fact exist, and in strong numbers.

I think a part of the problem is simply northeastern attitudes. We are the most densely populated region of the country, our surrounding sports teams typically have unparalleled success and cost of living is high so people, especially families (UConn is 100% a family friendly program and institution) means poor results tend to get people partitioning their income and time in different ways. This isn't the south where it's literally just farmland and a few family owned businesses in between, making the local college team literally the only thing keeping the community together day-to-day, there is a MAJOR cultural difference, and the fan turnouts will show that.

We also can't discount the opinions of the fan base. People often times here say things like "what is said on the Boneyard has no bearing on the program" which is obviously true in a literal sense, but how can the feelings of the program's most dedicated fans (who take the time to post on a fan forum) not in a way represent a general feeling of the overall fan base? These opinions and feelings trickle down, people talk around beers when at the bar watching the highlights of yet another head scratching defeat. And to my main point, when the fan base is unhappy they will let it be known, and administration will be forced to make changes, whether right or wrong, it's simply business, we live in a culture where capitalism permeates every aspect of our lives (I know I know commie!) but at the end of the day money talks, and for UConn bball that's basically just ticket sales (and no real TV deal money) at the moment in this collegiate athletics oligarchy.
 
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