"If the B1G wants NYC" ....from MSU fans

[ZooCougar]

Well it is becoming more and more obvious what you are about. Feel free to contact MapQuest if you don't agree with their route or time estimate. I go all and call you names like you do me but then I'd be no better than you.

Did you ever figure out what I was wrong about?

Yes, your inadequate concept of time and space.

 

[ZooCougar]

The Big 12 has been working with WVU to do exactly what you are talking about. It just makes sense. Could do the same thing in the AAC. Tulsa and SMU in 1 trip. Houston and Tulane in another.

Evidently the AAC already did. Because even a 12 year old could figure out how to plan far flung away trips in a consolidated manner, but this apparently was a bridge too far for the Big 12.

 

[okielite]

Yes, your inadequate concept of time and space.

You really are embarrassing yourself for no reason. I said it was 30 minutes, mapquest says it is 45 minutes, you say it is over an hour. Of the 3 I'd say mapquest is likely the closest, but I dont' get worked up over 15 minutes like you seem to. In the end I am not even sure what your point was. If you want to beat your chest and call me an idiot because I was 15 minutes off so be it. Does that make you feel better?

Is it really worth calling me all kinds of manes and making a fool of yourself over 15 minutes? I mean seriously, this is how little kids act, not adults.

 

[ZooCougar]

You really are embarrassing yourself for no reason. I said it was 30 minutes, mapquest says it is 45 minutes, you say it is over an hour. Of the 3 I'd say mapquest is likely the closest, but I dont' get worked up over 15 minutes like you seem to. In the end I am not even sure what your point was. If you want to beat your chest and call me an idiot because I was 15 minutes off so be it. Does that make you feel better?

Is it really worth calling me all kinds of manes and making a fool of yourself over 15 minutes? I mean seriously, this is how little kids act, not adults.

Well, I actually live here and drive on the roads. From my driveway to KU is 45 minutes. I live 10 miles closer to KU than the airport. But you go ahead and trust the computer generated BS.

 

[okielite]

Travel in the big 12, for the traditional programs isn't a big deal - travel to west Virginia is a disaster, as was easily predictable and causing trouble now. Travel to UCONN, would be maybe an hour longer than WVU, but easier than WVU logistically.
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So let me get this straight. UT traveling to Ames is not big deal but UT traveling to WVU is a disaster? How do you figure this? Both have to take a flight. Both have to take a bus. 1 is likely a direct flight while the other is likely not. 1 bus ride is slightly longer. I really dont' see much of a difference, even with the time involved. If anything traveling from Austin to Morgantown is probably easier than Ames as taking a direct flight is going to save a bunch of time compared to connecting through KC or STl.

Another part I found interesting was you saying it would take an hour longer than WVU but easier? How is it easier to take a flight and sit on a but to go to UConn compared to WVU? They seem like similar trips with 1 flight being slightly longer and 1 bus ride being slightly longer, probably offset each other. Some of the WVU teams travel through an airport that is really close to campus as well, that is going to be hard to beat.

Compare traveling to Texas, Oklahoma, Kansa, and Iowa to traveling to Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, North Carolina, etc... They are all closer in travel time than you would think. Schools like FSU, Nebraska, Iowa, etc.. are still going to be fairly long travel times.

 

[pj]

I'm sorry I brought up the airport thing. Obviously the B12 is a huge improvement over the AAC, even though the travel is very slightly worse.

We'll never again have a regional conference of nearby rivals, you can't put the realignment genie back in the bottle. Of the remaining power conferences, B1G makes the most sense and ACC second for UConn, both could have northeastern pods or divisions. But it's not clear the B1G will invite us, and ACC has lots of politics.

To me, it's not clear the B12 will invite us either. They won't like the travel east, they won't like any dilution of revenue if their TV partners won't increase the payout, and the more the conference grows and ceases to have traditional local rivalries, the more Texas may start to look favorably on becoming an independent or shifting conferences. I think they try to preserve the status quo as long as they can.

If the B12 is not going to expand and not going to have a conference championship, it would almost make sense for them to ask the SEC to take West Virginia off their hands and go to 9 teams. Suppose the SEC wanted to build more of a national presence for their TV network. It might not be terrible to add WVU and UConn (or Cincy and UConn) for 16 and then when GoR expire try for NC, Va, Texas, Oklahoma schools to go to 18 or 20.

 

[okielite]

I'm sorry I brought up the airport thing. Obviously the B12 is a huge improvement over the AAC, even though the travel is very slightly worse.

We'll never again have a regional conference of nearby rivals, you can't put the realignment genie back in the bottle. Of the remaining power conferences, B1G makes the most sense and ACC second for UConn, both could have northeastern pods or divisions. But it's not clear the B1G will invite us, and ACC has lots of politics.

To me, it's not clear the B12 will invite us either. They won't like the travel east, they won't like any dilution of revenue if their TV partners won't increase the payout, and the more the conference grows and ceases to have traditional local rivalries, the more Texas may start to look favorably on becoming an independent or shifting conferences. I think they try to preserve the status quo as long as they can.

If the B12 is not going to expand and not going to have a conference championship, it would almost make sense for them to ask the SEC to take West Virginia off their hands and go to 9 teams. Suppose the SEC wanted to build more of a national presence for their TV network. It might not be terrible to add WVU and UConn (or Cincy and UConn) for 16 and then when GoR expire try for NC, Va, Texas, Oklahoma schools to go to 18 or 20.

No worries. It is interesting comparing the travel to different schools and definitely something to consider. It is unfortunate that regional conferences are over. I do understand that UConn would prefer the B1G and possibly the ACC over the Big 12.

I think for the Big 12 to expand it will need something to get it going. That could be a committee picking a team over a Big 12 team because of a conference championship game. Or TV partners wanting content in other markets such as FOX wanting in Florida. Or it could be the B1G or SEC adding ACC teams. I just don't know that they will do it on their own. My guess is that 5 years down the road something will happen. I think the Big 12 is just waiting for the B1G and SEC to take a ACC school and open a can of worms. Suddenly the Big 12 is waiting with 6 open spots for ACC teams. Combine those 6 with WVU and ISU and you have an 8 team East division. Not sure I believe the ACC will lose teams though.

The good thing is that the CCG could provide enough income to offset a less valuable team being added to the conference so the payout would not go down. Any option that makes the TV payout go down is going to be hard to overcome.

The SEC has plenty of chances at WVU and UConn for that matter. I just dont' see it happening for many reasons. I believe both the B1G and SEC want Virginia and North Carolina. WVU does not have the population to interest a conference with a network. I think Kansas might have the same problem in the B1G.

 

[Stray_Dog]

There are no seven hour flights in the Big 12 or the the American and Navy is football only - UConn will fly there every other year.

There is very little difference in travel between the American and the Big 12 - it's all a bunch of 2.5 and 3.5 hour flights.

...About Navy, not to make UConn sound important, but if we leave the AAC do they have an agreement to not join the AAC? I am only asking because if this is true a great sign for us then would be to hear that Navy is not joining the AAC...Again I am only asking...I truly do not know, this is something that was brought up in discussion where I work. I am just curious and do NOT want to start any rumors!

 

[Stray_Dog]

I'm sorry I brought up the airport thing. Obviously the B12 is a huge improvement over the AAC, even though the travel is very slightly worse.

We'll never again have a regional conference of nearby rivals, you can't put the realignment genie back in the bottle. Of the remaining power conferences, B1G makes the most sense and ACC second for UConn, both could have northeastern pods or divisions. But it's not clear the B1G will invite us, and ACC has lots of politics.

To me, it's not clear the B12 will invite us either. They won't like the travel east, they won't like any dilution of revenue if their TV partners won't increase the payout, and the more the conference grows and ceases to have traditional local rivalries, the more Texas may start to look favorably on becoming an independent or shifting conferences. I think they try to preserve the status quo as long as they can.

If the B12 is not going to expand and not going to have a conference championship, it would almost make sense for them to ask the SEC to take West Virginia off their hands and go to 9 teams. Suppose the SEC wanted to build more of a national presence for their TV network. It might not be terrible to add WVU and UConn (or Cincy and UConn) for 16 and then when GoR expire try for NC, Va, Texas, Oklahoma schools to go to 18 or 20.

Well if I am going to offer up hope on this level, I just want 6 winning numbers to appear on my one power ball ticket for a record breaking drawing...GEEESH....and then I will buy UConn's membership into any of the conferences.

 

[Ldandy]

The sports like Lacrosse and Hockey could simply be played with your regional conferences and schools, which is actually a good thing to stay connected to the New England schools without having to share a conference in all sports with them. Sure if you want to place your teams into multiple inferior conferences save for Hockey East.

As far as the divisional layout I think regional divisions the most sense. As an OSU fan I could see why playing UT, OU, and the rest of the Texas Schools every season would be appealing. You get to play both marquee teams each season while spending loads of time recruiting in Texas. What would UCONN get? Regular visits to the recruiting hot beads of Kansas, Iowa, WV, and Cincy D'Oh? A home slate built around these teams? Good luck selling that in the Northeast.

These Zipper divisions that the B1G tried, completely failed. How so? If not for the inclusion of 2 additional Eastern Teams and a desire for more, they would have likely remained in place. East/West in the B1G will be brutal with PSU, OSU, UM and MSU all in one division. It is not unlike the unbalance the Big 12 faced a few years back. Hopefully some schools out west step up to balance things out a bit more.

The ACC is still trying to make it work. Pretty dumb when schools like FSU and GaTEch only play once every few years If they truly wanted to play each other every year the divisions could likely be reworked to accommodate it. I agree that nearby teams should play, but a North/South split in The ACC might get ugly.

What prime recruiting grounds does the B1G West division have? whoops. I think the B1G West might be the only power conference division without a school in a prime recruiting area. congrats. Your proposed Big 12 North is worse. IF the Big 12 added UConn and Cinci at the least you would be in a division with a school from Ohio, Cincy? Laffin. They might as well be in another country. The pecking order in Ohio is as follows: OSU, ND/UM, Flavor of the month National School, the rest of The B1G, Kentucky, Louisville, WVU, a little bit of OU under Stoops, then Cincy. Now you add closer schools like ISU, and both Kansas Schools to the mix? How does that help UCONN Recruit? Why not just continue recruiting places closer to home like NJ, or places where there are hordes of good players like Florida? not to mention playing at least 1 if not 2 games per year in Texas. I won't even bother running down the recruiting competition in Texas.

That beats the heck out of being stuck playing in Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Says you. IMO Memorial Stadium, Kinnick, and Camp Randall are all awesome college football environments that traveling UCONN Fans would enjoy. TCF in Minny is a cool stadium, with Minneapolis being a fun city. Illinois Memorial is a bit of a meh for me, but they all can't be home runs.

Those are all terrible recruiting areas, plus you only play at tOSU and PSU every 5 years or so. Talk about lack of recruiting. What you state makes ZERO sense. UCONN will not be in the West. They would either be in an 8 team East, or a 4 Team Pod with PSU, RU, and UMD. Either set up would be very good for travel and recruiting purposes for UCONN.

There are major cultural differences with the B1G as well. Do you think people in Nebraska and Iowa are similar top those in Jersey and Connecticut? Not necessarily, but I do believe that The University of Connecticut has a HELL of a lot more in common with every shool in the B1G except NW, as opposed to only a handful in The Big 12. What do people in CT have in common with Texans, Oklahomans, and yes Iowans? At least in the B1G they would have PSU, RU and UMD.

Do you think you would be looked down upon by the B1G members because of AAU status? I can't answer that because I'm not an academic at UCONN, but it's not like other schools' fans are going to start chants about UCONN not being in the AAU.

Do you think B1G members feel the same way now that Michigan and tOSU are in the same division? For me I think PSU and UNL should be on one side with UM and OSU on the other. IMO there are too many major programs in one division. However Delaney wants PSU, OSU and UM playing at RU and UMD a lot. UCONN would be no different.

I now the Nebraska fans are not thrilled. They went from having one of the best rivalries in the country with OU Stop right there. The UNL/OU rivalry died a long time ago when OU placed more value on their rivalry with UT. and to some degree Texas, UNL/UT was the product of two name schools suddenly being in the same conference. There was little rivalry before, and outside of bowl games or other NCAA Events there likely won't be much going forward.

now they play Iowa and Wisconsin as their biggest rivals, who they have little history with. Well no kidding since UNL has been in the B1G for 3 years and was in the Big 8/12 for 100. Fans dont' care about those much...YET Many Nebraska fans already want out of the B1G. Define many. Every fan base has subsets of fans who see things differently, or want to go back to the way things were back in their day. We have fans who cry about joining the ACC or more comical going independent.

I don't disagree that the B1G is a good fit. As is the ACC. But lets not pretend that these are all regional games. Traveling to Miami, FSU, Clemson, GA Tech, UNC, etc.. is a long way. Traveling to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska is a long way as well. For most games you are looking at a bus ride, flight, and bus ride to get there. The only real difference is how long your flight is. Agreed, however it becomes an issue of what schools do you want to associate with?

The B1G is already watered down from a FB perspective. I disagree. Adding Maryland and Rutgers only made it worse. Now yes, but B1G Membership $$$ could jump start both programs. Getting in a conference that has roots in parts of the country that are growing is important. Without ties to CA, TX, FL, GA , etc... recruiting can be much more difficult. It hasn't helped the also ran programs in the Big 12, who have had to rely heavily on JUCOs to have any success at all. How many big time Texas Prospects are heading to Ames, Manhattan, Morgantown, and Lawrence on a year to year basis?

Ask Nebraska how they like recruiting the rust belt. Nebraska recruits nationally. What has hurt them is the shutdown of their state wide scholarship program and their inability to take partial qualifiers.

It's obvious where the top FB talent is, and it's not the NE. If UConn want to be successful in FB being in a conference with Southern ties would help more than anything.

 

[Fishy]

The Big 12 botched expansion - I don't see them expanding now.

They could have grabbed West Virginia, Louisville and Cincy and had a very nice conference with a little bit of a cushion against Texas flaking out.

But they didn't. Their best option now is to just hunker down, cash as many checks as they can and then be ready to leap for a life raft when Texas decides to pull up stakes.

If they ever offered, I'd say UConn should accept without letting them finish the sentence, but it'd be as strange a fit as UConn currently is in the AAC.

 

[okielite]

The sports like Lacrosse and Hockey could simply be played with your regional conferences and schools, which is actually a good thing to stay connected to the New England schools without having to share a conference in all sports with them. Sure if you want to place your teams into multiple inferior conferences save for Hockey East. Well, it is a legitimate option that would allow yo to be in a regional league. Might be the best option.

As far as the divisional layout I think regional divisions the most sense. As an OSU fan I could see why playing UT, OU, and the rest of the Texas Schools every season would be appealing. You get to play both marquee teams each season while spending loads of time recruiting in Texas. What would UCONN get? Regular visits to the recruiting hot beads of Kansas, Iowa, WV, and Cincy D'Oh? A home slate built around these teams? Good luck selling that in the Northeast. In reality with a 9 game conference schedule you are still going to play 9 of the 11. The North teams will play in Texas just about as much as the South teams. That is one benefit of 12 teams. Once you go to 14 or 16 suddenly you don't play the other division all that much.

These Zipper divisions that the B1G tried, completely failed. How so? If not for the inclusion of 2 additional Eastern Teams and a desire for more, they would have likely remained in place. East/West in the B1G will be brutal with PSU, OSU, UM and MSU all in one division. It is not unlike the unbalance the Big 12 faced a few years back. Hopefully some schools out west step up to balance things out a bit more. There were complaints with the legends and leders division, that is why it is changing. Yes the East is good but that is already causing problems with Nebraska fans. They literally are not getting the big time games they used to. REally down to Wisconsin at this point. They have a series with OU in a few years, that will help. I guess in your best interest you would be added with a Westrn team so the divisions would be the same.

The ACC is still trying to make it work. Pretty dumb when schools like FSU and GaTEch only play once every few years If they truly wanted to play each other every year the divisions could likely be reworked to accommodate it(They are changing things already to keep FSU and Clemson happy). I agree that nearby teams should play, but a North/South split in The ACC might get ugly.What prime recruiting grounds does the B1G West division have? whoops. I think the B1G West might be the only power conference division without a school in a prime recruiting area. congrats. Your proposed Big 12 North is worse. IF the Big 12 added UConn and Cinci at the least you would be in a division with a school from Ohio, Cincy? Laffin. They might as well be in another country. The pecking order in Ohio is as follows: OSU, ND/UM, Flavor of the month National School, the rest of The B1G, Kentucky, Louisville, WVU, a little bit of OU under Stoops, then Cincy. The Big 12 would start pulling recruits out of Ohio if we were playing 4-5 games per year in the state. I have no doubt Cinci would still ahve trouble but other schools with comparable facitities and programs could easily start pulling kids. Heck schools like baylor are pretty popular with the under 18 crowd. Cool uniforms mean more than old accomplishments like Nebraska sells. 18 year old kids are way different than us. Now you add closer schools like ISU, and both Kansas Schools to the mix? How does that help UCONN Recruit? Playing legitimate programs versus low budget wannabies like Tulsane, Tulsa, or Memphis. IF that is not worth anything to you it should be. Why not just continue recruiting places closer to home like NJ, or places where there are hordes of good players like Florida? not to mention playing at least 1 if not 2 games per year in Texas. I won't even bother running down the recruiting competition in Texas. So recruiting Texas is too tough? Come on man, look at the last heisman winners from Texas, all the pro QB's from the state. You gotta go compete for these kids. IF a little bible school like Baylor can do it, so can UConn.

That beats the heck out of being stuck playing in Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Says you. IMO Memorial Stadium, Kinnick, and Camp Randall are all awesome college football environments that traveling UCONN Fans would enjoy. TCF in Minny is a cool stadium, with Minneapolis being a fun city. Illinois Memorial is a bit of a meh for me, but they all can't be home runs.

Those are all terrible recruiting areas, plus you only play at tOSU and PSU every 5 years or so. Talk about lack of recruiting. What you state makes ZERO sense. UCONN will not be in the West. They would either be in an 8 team East, or a 4 Team Pod with PSU, RU, and UMD. Either set up would be very good for travel and recruiting purposes for UCONN. True. You will only play, likely 2 West teams per year. Take you 4 yeras to play everybody and get a home game every 8 years or so. I pointed this out becasue of how unbalanced the recruiting is, very similar to what someone pointed out about the old/proposed Big 12 North division.

There are major cultural differences with the B1G as well. Do you think people in Nebraska and Iowa are similar top those in Jersey and Connecticut? Not necessarily, but I do believe that The University of Connecticut has a HELL of a lot more in common with every shool in the B1G except NW, as opposed to only a handful in The Big 12. OK then answer one question, what are the similarities with Iowa (you used this as a example but that isa B1G state as well), and Nebraska?

What do people in CT have in common with Texans, Oklahomans, and yes Iowans? My guess is that you would be most like UT, academic types who have a wide background of folks. Also somewhat like KU. At the end of the day most conferences have a wide variety of schools, nothing wrong with that. B1G and ACC are no different. Academically Louisville is nothing like most of the ACC.

At least in the B1G they would have PSU, RU and UMD.Do you think you would be looked down upon by the B1G members because of AAU status? I can't answer that because I'm not an academic at UCONN, but it's not like other schools' fans are going to start chants about UCONN not being in the AAU. Wanna bet? Already had happened to Nebraska, they are the new red heaeaded step child of the conference. Much like Louisville will be in the ACC.

Do you think B1G members feel the same way now that Michigan and tOSU are in the same division? For me I think PSU and UNL should be on one side with UM and OSU on the other. IMO there are too many major programs in one division. However Delaney wants PSU, OSU and UM playing at RU and UMD a lot. UCONN would be no different. I agree, it is still unbalanced.
I now the Nebraska fans are not thrilled. They went from having one of the best rivalries in the country with OU Stop right there. The UNL/OU rivalry died a long time ago when OU placed more value on their rivalry with UT. No, still played every other year, new series in 2017. IT wasn't like they stopped playing until Nebraska left. and to some degree Texas, UNL/UT was the product of two name schools suddenly being in the same conference. There was little rivalry before, and outside of bowl games or other NCAA Events there likely won't be much going forward. You have no idea how much people in Nebraska hate Texas. They were so jealous when OU and UT started dominting the conference they just could not stand it and took thier ball and left. They got used to competing for NC's every year, DR Tom left, and things went downhill. At the same time Mack Brown and Bob Stoops started winning nearly every game with the Huskers. People in Nebraska respect OU, they hate Texas, much like people in Oklahoma dislike Texans. .

now they play Iowa and Wisconsin as their biggest rivals, who they have little history with. Well no kidding since UNL has been in the B1G for 3 years and was in the Big 8/12 for 100. Fans dont' care about those much...YET Many Nebraska fans already want out of the B1G. Define many. Every fan base has subsets of fans who see things differently, or want to go back to the way things were back in their day. We have fans who cry about joining the ACC or more comical going independent.

I don't disagree that the B1G is a good fit. As is the ACC. But lets not pretend that these are all regional games. Traveling to Miami, FSU, Clemson, GA Tech, UNC, etc.. is a long way. Traveling to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska is a long way as well. For most games you are looking at a bus ride, flight, and bus ride to get there. The only real difference is how long your flight is. Agreed, however it becomes an issue of what schools do you want to associate with?

The B1G is already watered down from a FB perspective. I disagree. Adding Maryland and Rutgers only made it worse. Now yes, but B1G Membership $ could jump start both programs. Getting in a conference that has roots in parts of the country that are growing is important. Without ties to CA, TX, FL, GA , etc... recruiting can be much more difficult. It hasn't helped the also ran programs in the Big 12, who have had to rely heavily on JUCOs to have any success at all. How many big time Texas Prospects are heading to Ames, Manhattan, Morgantown, and Lawrence on a year to year basis? WVU already has a good class going next year. One of the reasons ther are so many JUCOs is the # of JC schools in Kansas and Iowa, they produce a ton of kids for the major conferences. Coaches send them there if they can't qualify, pick them up later. These are the same challenges that UConn will face as high school football is not the same as it is in Texoma/SE/California, it's just not. Basketball is not the same down here as it is in the NE either. So it can be good and bad.
Ask Nebraska how they like recruiting the rust belt. Nebraska recruits nationally. What has hurt them is the shutdown of their state wide scholarship program and their inability to take partial qualifiers. +1. I live in Nebraska and keep up with them to some degree. They did lose some good exposure in Texas and honestly it's strange, they will schedule a cupcake like Wyoming or South Dakota instead of going to play in prime areas. They love home games so like last year they did not play a NC game on the road.

It's obvious where the top FB talent is, and it's not the NE. If UConn want to be successful in FB being in a conference with Southern ties would help more than anything.

 

[okielite]

The Big 12 botched expansion - I don't see them expanding now.

They could have grabbed West Virginia, Louisville and Cincy and had a very nice conference with a little bit of a cushion against Texas flaking out.

But they didn't. Their best option now is to just hunker down, cash as many checks as they can and then be ready to leap for a life raft when Texas decides to pull up stakes.

If they ever offered, I'd say UConn should accept without letting them finish the sentence, but it'd be as strange a fit as UConn currently is in the AAC.

For some reason they did not bite on those schools, I've gotta think TV partners told them they were not as valuable and would drag teh payout down. I would prefer stability it it meant losing 1-2 million per year. I think Deloss was telling everybody that Notre Dame was joining. Or we were holding out for Clemson and FSU, and they never came. Poor planning.

Somewhat true but I really don't think UT is going to leave like everyone thinks. They really have no reason to. LHN is picking up carriage so it is looking better all the sudden, not to mention the payday. Their rivalry with OU brings in millions in donations for tickets. They can't afford to lose that. NO conference is going to take them with the LHN. Really the only thing I could see them doing was going INDY/partial ACC member like ND. LHN with 6+ FB games would be extremely valuable. But many of the schools don't want to leave and don't want to be broken away from thier in state partner(s). I just think that breaking up the conference would take too many things happening that are just not likely IMO. I really dnon't see the AAC breaking apart but would not be surpised by anything at this point. Realignment has really screwed college sports up.

UConn is a strange fit for the AAC but I think you will be somewhat like like the wealthy academic schools fans such as Tulsa, Tulane, and SMU once you start playing them more and get some rivalries going.

 

[Fishy]

UConn will never have a blessed thing in common with SMU, Tulsa or Tulane.

Texas is a complete wildcard - they have enough revenue to do most anything without putting themselves at risk.

Would you really be shocked to see them elsewhere in ten years? Oklahoma would likely find a soft landing, but some other Big 12 schools would likely find themselves in AAC purgatory.

 

[UConnDan97]

I agree that Texas is somewhat of a flight risk also. It's gonna be very interesting to see if the catalyst for Texas movement might eventually be....Texas A&M. Their former "little brother" is now finding themselves in pole position of the arms race in Texas due to their newly established SEC success. Manziel had a bunch to do with that obviously, but it doesn't change the fact that they have captured the limelight in the state of Texas recently and they are very well positioned to continue that success.

I wonder how long Texas will tolerate little brother upstaging them until they go chasing more dollars and more advantageous conference situations? The Big12 is good for them, but I wouldn't be shocked if they looked for better...

 

[Fishy]

I absolutely agree with that - A&M has to be stinging Texas.

You saw that in the petulant act by their athletic director today - they want to play a game in Abu Dhabi instead of A&M? That's a tantrum.

But any school that can move without regard to their conference mates is always a danger - Texas is about as autonomous as any school that doesn't get its mail in South Bend. If they decided they wanted to join the Pac 12 or Big Ten or ACC or the Foreign Legion, they'd do it without even remembering that Oklahoma exists.

 

[ZooCougar]

I agree that Texas is somewhat of a flight risk also. It's gonna be very interesting to see if the catalyst for Texas movement might eventually be....Texas A&M. Their former "little brother" is now finding themselves in pole position of the arms race in Texas due to their newly established SEC success. Manziel had a bunch to do with that obviously, but it doesn't change the fact that they have captured the limelight in the state of Texas recently and they are very well positioned to continue that success.

I wonder how long Texas will tolerate little brother upstaging them until they go chasing more dollars and more advantageous conference situations? The Big12 is good for them, but I wouldn't be shocked if they looked for better...

Manziel is gone, so that ship may have sailed,

 

[okielite]

I absolutely agree with that - A&M has to be stinging Texas.

You saw that in the petulant act by their athletic director today - they want to play a game in Abu Dhabi instead of A&M? That's a tantrum.

But any school that can move without regard to their conference mates is always a danger - Texas is about as autonomous as any school that doesn't get its mail in South Bend. If they decided they wanted to join the Pac 12 or Big Ten or ACC or the Foreign Legion, they'd do it without even remembering that Oklahoma exists.

You folks don't understand how much money OU and UT make from the RRR. Fans donate big money just to get tickets to that game. It would literally cost UT millions to end the RRR. Not going to happen. If you think that UT is going to walk away from the RRR as well as the LHN so they can join another conference you are simply not being realistic. Could it happen, sure. Is it likely, no. Quite frankly there are less barriers to say NCSt leaving the ACC than there are for UT to leave the Big 12, I don't see either happening . UT needs the Big 12 just like the Big 12 needs UT.

Yes aTm has had 2 good years. In reality they were never even close to winning their division, let alone their conference. We watched them underachieve for the entire time they were in the big 12. Lets see how they do the next 2 years before we decide they have surpassed UT. They have always had the ability, but just manage to screw it up for one reason or another.

 

[okielite]

I agree that Texas is somewhat of a flight risk also. It's gonna be very interesting to see if the catalyst for Texas movement might eventually be....Texas A&M. Their former "little brother" is now finding themselves in pole position of the arms race in Texas due to their newly established SEC success. Manziel had a bunch to do with that obviously, but it doesn't change the fact that they have captured the limelight in the state of Texas recently and they are very well positioned to continue that success.

I wonder how long Texas will tolerate little brother upstaging them until they go chasing more dollars and more advantageous conference situations? The Big12 is good for them, but I wouldn't be shocked if they looked for better...

aTm has had a great 2 year run. With the changing of conferences, new coach, Johnny Football, and a stadium upgrade. It took all those things happening just for aTm to get on equal footing as UT while UT is somewhat down, replacing a long term coach, and searching for a quality QB. Can aTm continue to do this, I dont' see how. Will UT stay down forever, No.

I guess what I am saying is aTm is at an all time high and UT is at one of it lowest points in the last 15 years. Can aTm maintain it's all time high forever? NO.

Texas is still one of the richest and most valuable programs in the country and has nothing to worry about as far as arms races. They will always have as much or more money than everybody else.

 

[okielite]

UConn will never have a blessed thing in common with SMU, Tulsa or Tulane.

Texas is a complete wildcard - they have enough revenue to do most anything without putting themselves at risk.

Would you really be shocked to see them elsewhere in ten years? Oklahoma would likely find a soft landing, but some other Big 12 schools would likely find themselves in AAC purgatory.

I sense somewhat of an elitist attitude. That fits right in with schools like SMU. They claim their maids went to school at UT.

So you think you are better than the schools in the Big 12 and AAC? Karma is a real beeach. With an attitude like that you probably should be in the B1G or ACC.

Funny how most college sport fans have an inflated view of their school.

 

[Adios]

I sense somewhat of an elitist attitude. That fits right in with schools like SMU. They claim their maids went to school at UT.

So you think you are better than the schools in the Big 12 and AAC? Karma is a real beeach. With an attitude like that you probably should be in the B1G or ACC.

Funny how most college sport fans have an inflated view of their school.

I am being kind in saying this but have you noticed our fans are clamoring for the ACC or the B1G?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Why would we not have an elitist attitude towards those schools?

Our basketball/ football compares with Duke, Kansas, UNC, etc.

Why should we degrade ourselves to their level simply by our conference status? The only thing that concerns me is revenue due to affiliation, as I'm not some fan of a team with programs that walks around with a hard on due to the league I'm in.

 

[upstater]

I sense somewhat of an elitist attitude. That fits right in with schools like SMU. They claim their maids went to school at UT.

So you think you are better than the schools in the Big 12 and AAC? Karma is a real beeach. With an attitude like that you probably should be in the B1G or ACC.

Funny how most college sport fans have an inflated view of their school.

Just as an FYI, I think you have an inferiority complex.

When comparing UConn to SMU, Tulane and the like, what on earth would UConn have in common culturally with private southern schools? UConn is a state school in New England.

Holy cow, I suggest you step back and take a breath.

 

[ZooCougar]

I sense somewhat of an elitist attitude. That fits right in with schools like SMU. They claim their maids went to school at UT.

So you think you are better than the schools in the Big 12 and AAC? Karma is a real beeach. With an attitude like that you probably should be in the B1G or ACC.

Funny how most college sport fans have an inflated view of their school.

Why? Because we don't have the Big 12 as our conference of preference? Silly us. We actually want to be in a conference where we have at least one or two local partners.

I know this is hard for you to grasp, but just try to put yourselves in our shoes. Why wouldn't we want to be in a conference where have Maryland, Penn State and Rutgers relatively local. This is a total no brainer.

 

[ZooCougar]

Just as an FYI, I think you have an inferiority complex.

When comparing UConn to SMU, Tulane and the like, what on earth would UConn have in common culturally with private southern schools? UConn is a state school in New England.

Holy cow, I suggest you step back and take a breath.

He's a one dimensional thinker, who thinks he is here to enlighten us and tell us things that we don't already know. We should be thankful.

 

[okielite]

Why would we not have an elitist attitude towards those schools?

Our basketball/ football compares with Duke, Kansas, UNC, etc.

Why should we degrade ourselves to their level simply by our conference status? The only thing that concerns me is revenue due to affiliation, as I'm not some fan of a team with programs that walks around with a hard on due to the league I'm in.

Why have an elitist attitude toward any school? That reeks of insecurities and seems like it makes you feel better to put other schools down. You should not have to do that just to make yourself feel better about your own school. Those are all well respected academic institutions. No reason to put them down.

 

[ZooCougar]

You folks don't understand how much money OU and UT make from the RRR. Fans donate big money just to get tickets to that game. It would literally cost UT millions to end the RRR. Not going to happen. If you think that UT is going to walk away from the RRR as well as the LHN so they can join another conference you are simply not being realistic. Could it happen, sure. Is it likely, no. Quite frankly there are less barriers to say NCSt leaving the ACC than there are for UT to leave the Big 12, I don't see either happening . UT needs the Big 12 just like the Big 12 needs UT.

Yes aTm has had 2 good years. In reality they were never even close to winning their division, let alone their conference. We watched them underachieve for the entire time they were in the big 12. Lets see how they do the next 2 years before we decide they have surpassed UT. They have always had the ability, but just manage to screw it up for one reason or another.

Texas could still play that game in any other conference. And OU would agree. The Big 12 is not on stable footing. Texas might as well be the San Andreas fault.

 

[okielite]

He's a one dimensional thinker, who thinks he is here to enlighten us and tell us things that we don't already know. We should be thankful.

And you get your kicks insulting people while you hide behind your computer. Keep up the good work.

It is unfortunate that you can't listen to another perspective without resorting to childish behavior.

 

[Dooley]

Why have an elitist attitude toward any school? That reeks of insecurities and seems like it makes you feel better to put other schools down. You should not have to do that just to make yourself feel better about your own school. Those are all well respected academic institutions. No reason to put them down.

Yes but because we are talking athletics (what CR is all about, right?), you won't find a single UCONN fan who doesn't think know that we are better than Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, etc. UCONN is the complete package of athletics and academics, in our opinion, and a good fit for a better conference.

 

[okielite]

Texas could still play that game in any other conference. And OU would agree. The Big 12 is not on stable footing. Texas might as well be the San Andreas fault.

So how long do we have before Texas leaves and the rest of us beg the AAC for membership? LAffin.

How do you know OU would agree? If UT left them and they had to join the SEC they would have no reason to play UT, just like aTm.

Running around claiming that conferences with GOR are dying is quite funny. What is even funnier is that you make all these insults to the Big 12, but if you were asked to join, you would in a heartbeat. Actions speak louder than words. Stop embarrassing yourself.