"If the B1G wants NYC" ....from MSU fans

[HuskyFan16]

Plus we would get to stay in Hockey East. I know that is irrelevant... but I'm pretty excited to get into that league, and sooner or later kick the crap out of BCU in the sport they love most.

 

[businesslawyer]

I would love the Big12. I've always felt that with the ACC and Big Ten making a play for it, with SU and RU, the Big 12, should grab UConn and schedule one marquee confrence game in NYC. Texas/UConn, Oklahoma/UConn. I think current NCAA rules state conference games can't be played at neutral sites, but rules be damned.

Where would you get the NCAA ban of neutral site conference games from? UGA and Florida play each other every year in Jacksonville at a neutral site. And Kansas and Mizzou, when in the Big XII, played in Arrowhead at least once.

 

[UConn9604]

Where would you get the NCAA ban of neutral site conference games from? UGA and Florida play each other every year in Jacksonville at a neutral site. And Kansas and Mizzou, when in the Big XII, played in Arrowhead at least once.

...and Auburn and Alabama used to play the Iron Bowl in the Iron Bowl.

 

[ZooCougar]

Really?

Most Big 12 schools are within an hour of a major airport. OU is less than an hour to OKC. OSU is about an hour to OKC or Tulsa. ISU is an hour from Des Moines. KU is 30 minutes from KC. TCU is in DFW. UT is in Austin. TT is in Lubbock. WVU is an hour form Pittsburg. Really Baylor and KSU are furthest from major airports but there are commercial flights into Topeka which is not far from Manhattan, KS.

More wrong info from you.


KU is definitely not a half hour from the Kansas City Airport. The airport is north of where I live and it takes me 45 minutes to get to Lawrence.

The closest airport to KU would technically be Topeka. But good luck getting a flight out of there. I think United has one flight a day out of there. Unless KSU takes charter jets everywhere I bet they have to drive to KC too.

It's easily 2 hours by bus from Manhattan to KCI.

 

[ZooCougar]

Where would you get the NCAA ban of neutral site conference games from? UGA and Florida play each other every year in Jacksonville at a neutral site. And Kansas and Mizzou, when in the Big XII, played in Arrowhead at least once.

Most Miami games are neutral site because nobody goes to those games.

 

[okielite]

More wrong info from you.


KU is definitely not a half hour from the Kansas City Airport. The airport is north of where I live and it takes me 45 minutes to get to Lawrence.

The closest airport to KU would technically be Topeka. But good luck getting a flight out of there. I think United has one flight a day out of there. Unless KSU takes charter jets everywhere I bet they have to drive to KC too.

It's easily 2 hours by bus from Manhattan to KCI.

So your argument is that is it 45 minutes to the airport, not 30. If it makes you feel better to tell me I am wrong because you think it takes a few more minutes to get there then so be it. LAffin.

What else do you think I am wrong about?

 

[ZooCougar]

So I checked with my KSU pal in the office next door. They actually fly out of a small airport in Manhattan when they can.

 

[ZooCougar]

So your argument is that is it 45 minutes to the airport, not 30. If it makes you feel better to tell me I am wrong because you think it takes a few more minutes to get there then so be it. LAffin.

What else do you think I am wrong about?

More like an hour at least. You make it sound like they are 30 minutes from the Terminal. Look at a map dude. I bet if we did a deep dive on some of your other points we would find all sorts of inaccuracies.

 

[okielite]

More like an hour at least. You make it sound like they are 30 minutes from the Terminal. Look at a map dude. I bet if we did a deep dive on some of your other points we would find all sorts of inaccuracies.

Again, if that is how you want to look at it then so be it. Now you have gone from 45 minutes to at least an hour. By next time we will be looking at an hour and a half. LAffin.

According to MapQuest it is 47 minutes to the airport. If you would like to argue with them or accuse them of being wrong then feel free.

If you are going to accuse me of posting inaccurate information you might want to figure out what is inaccurate first instead of just claiming "I bet if we dug back there would be all sorts of inaccuracies".

I'll ask again. What is it that you think I am wrong about?

 

[okielite]

How far is it from UConn's campus to the airport?

 

[Ldandy]

Yeah, sign me up for the B12 too. My first choice is and will always be the B1G. But if the AAU requirement is too far out in the future (i.e. - won't happen for more than 5 years) and that is an absolute sticking point to gain an invite, then we need to move our athletics to the first power conference that offers. If that's the B12, great. I can think of a worse way to spend a Saturday than watching UCONN take on the likes of Texas, OU, OSU and welcome back WVU. Kansas vs UCONN basketball would be must-see TV. Maybe even make that an annual MSG tilt. We can play Texas and OU at MetLife until we can expand the Rent. We will need the cash infusion and the added revenue would offset the increased travel costs. And like others have said here, the expenses won't be all that much more than what we will be spending to play our AAC mates.

But, I really hope the B1G steps up soon and realizes that it needs UCONN to fully capture NYC.

I empathize with your situation, and realize that economics dictate that UCONN likely needs to jump on the first P5 invite it recieves. That said If possible you need to hold out for your first choice. UCONN in The Big 12 makes less sense than WVU, which in turn makes no sense. Many of the sports you sponsor are not contested in the conference making it necessary to search out multiple conferences for competition. The Olympic Events that are supported will require considerable travel like the AAC.

Even discarding the cultural differences, which are many, the lineup proposed would not be sustainable long term. The old Big 12 faced defections because of mistrust between members and differing agendas. How would this lineup be any different? All the Texas and Oklahoma Schools in one division? All the schools with weak football tradition and even weaker recruiting grounds grouped opposite them. No potential issues there.

The B1G is where you belong. 13 of 14 schools are strong state universities. You would have reasonable neighbors in RU, PSU, and UMD nearby, with other schools like UM and OSU having good sized alumni bases in the tri state area. Regular matchups with historic powers in football and basketball, with ice hockey and a full compliment of olympic sports all under one tent.

If one objectively looks at college conferences it is clear as day that the B1G and SEC will expand again. Fourteen is untennable for a final number. Both will go to 16. The B1G will strongly consider, and should accept UCONN for membership when they go to the table to negotiate their next contract. The question remains who will be 16?

 

[upstater]

If that is how you want to look at it then so be it. I responded to the post that said many Big 12 schools are 2 hours from an airport, which is simply not true. If you think that flying to DFW and connecting to Lubbock is too much then so be it. But Lubbock is not as small as you might think. 300k people and the 8th busiest airport in Texas. I think when you look at it the majority of schools are a direct flight to DFW, OKC, Tulsa, Austin, KC, or Pittsburg along with a 30 minute to 1 hour bus ride. Isn't that about what it is to UConn as well? With TT, ISU, KSU, and Baylor requiring a 1 hour plus bus ride and/or s connecting flight. Small price to pay for exchanging schools like SMU, Houston, UCF, etc... for UT, OU, OSU, TT, KSU, etc.. along with a bigger payday and a huge opportunity on tier 3.

UConn would go because of the money.

Nonetheless, when you price tickets from NYC to Dallas, Memphis, Orlando, Houston, New Orleans, Cincinnati, Tampa, Washington DC, Philly, etc., you are looking at $250-$300 Rt.

 

[upstater]

I empathize with your situation, and realize that economics dictate that UCONN likely needs to jump on the first P5 invite it recieves. That said If possible you need to hold out for your first choice. UCONN in The Big 12 makes less sense than WVU, which in turn makes no sense. Many of the sports you sponsor are not contested in the conference making it necessary to search out multiple conferences for competition. The Olympic Events that are supported will require considerable travel like the AAC.

Even discarding the cultural differences, which are many, the lineup proposed would not be sustainable long term. The old Big 12 faced defections because of mistrust between members and differing agendas. How would this lineup be any different? All the Texas and Oklahoma Schools in one division? All the schools with weak football tradition and even weaker recruiting grounds grouped opposite them. No potential issues there.

The B1G is where you belong. 13 of 14 schools are strong state universities. You would have reasonable neighbors in RU, PSU, and UMD nearby, with other schools like UM and OSU having good sized alumni bases in the tri state area. Regular matchups with historic powers in football and basketball, with ice hockey and a full compliment of olympic sports all under one tent.

If one objectively looks at college conferences it is clear as day that the B1G and SEC will expand again. Fourteen is untennable for a final number. Both will go to 16. The B1G will strongly consider, and should accept UCONN for membership when they go to the table to negotiate their next contract. The question remains who will be 16?

Lack of olympic sports would be a plus for joining these mega conferences. Just dump them in the ECAC!

 

[Waquoit]

Yeah, you're right. Better to continue to bring in $20M less in tv revenue than our local rivals than two play two of the best programs in history in an NFL stadium every few seasons.

Begging the Big 12? Have some self-respect. It will payoff in the long run.

 

[okielite]

I empathize with your situation, and realize that economics dictate that UCONN likely needs to jump on the first P5 invite it recieves. That said If possible you need to hold out for your first choice. UCONN in The Big 12 makes less sense than WVU, which in turn makes no sense. Many of the sports you sponsor are not contested in the conference making it necessary to search out multiple conferences for competition. The Olympic Events that are supported will require considerable travel like the AAC.

Even discarding the cultural differences, which are many, the lineup proposed would not be sustainable long term. The old Big 12 faced defections because of mistrust between members and differing agendas. How would this lineup be any different? All the Texas and Oklahoma Schools in one division? All the schools with weak football tradition and even weaker recruiting grounds grouped opposite them. No potential issues there.

The B1G is where you belong. 13 of 14 schools are strong state universities. You would have reasonable neighbors in RU, PSU, and UMD nearby, with other schools like UM and OSU having good sized alumni bases in the tri state area. Regular matchups with historic powers in football and basketball, with ice hockey and a full compliment of olympic sports all under one tent.

If one objectively looks at college conferences it is clear as day that the B1G and SEC will expand again. Fourteen is untennable for a final number. Both will go to 16. The B1G will strongly consider, and should accept UCONN for membership when they go to the table to negotiate their next contract. The question remains who will be 16?

The sports like Lacrosse and Hockey could simply be played with your regional conferences and schools, which is actually a good thing to stay connected to the New England schools without having to share a conference in all sports with them.

As far as the divisional layout I think regional divisions the most sense. These Zipper divisions that the B1G tried, completely failed. The ACC is still trying to make it work. Pretty dumb when schools like FSU and GaTEch only play once every few years. What prime recruiting grounds does the B1G West division have? whoops. I think the B1G West might be the only power conference division without a school in a prime recruiting area. congrats. IF the Big 12 added UConn and Cinci at the least you would be in a division with a school from Ohio, not to mention playing at least 1 if not 2 games per year in Texas. That beats the heck out of being stuck playing in Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Those are all terrible recruiting areas, plus you only play at tOSU and PSU every 5 years or so. Talk about lack of recruiting.

There are major cultural differences with the B1G as well. Do you think people in Nebraska and Iowa are similar top those in Jersey and Connecticut? Do you think you would be looked down upon by the B1G members because of AAU status? Do you think B1G members feel the same way now that Michigan and tOSU are in the same division? I now the Nebraska fans are not thrilled. They went from having one of the best rivalries in the country with OU and to some degree Texas, now they play Iowa and Wisconsin as their biggest rivals, who they have little history with. Fans dont' care about those much. Many Nebraska fans already want out of the B1G.

I don't disagree that the B1G is a good fit. As is the ACC. But lets not pretend that these are all regional games. Traveling to Miami, FSU, Clemson, GA Tech, UNC, etc.. is a long way. Traveling to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska is a long way as well. For most games you are looking at a bus ride, flight, and bus ride to get there. The only real difference is how long your flight is.

The B1G is already watered down from a FB perspective. Adding Maryland and Rutgers only made it worse. Getting in a conference that has roots in parts of the country that are growing is important. Without ties to CA, TX, FL, GA , etc... recruiting can be much more difficult. Ask Nebraska how they like recruiting the rust belt. It's obvious where the top FB talent is, and it's not the NE. If UConn want to be successful in FB being in a conference with Southern ties would help more than anything.

 

[okielite]

Begging the Big 12? Have some self-respect. It will payoff in the long run.

It worked for Louisville. You should get your politicians involved.

 

[Seaa Blue]

It worked for Louisville. You should get your politicians involved.

Begging will absolutely not work with the Big Ten. Ask Mizzou...

 

[Carl Spackler]

If it takes longer than 4 hours (flight time - in air) and it takes longer than an hour to make it from your door, to the bus to the airplane (or vice versa) - and that's stepping onto the bus time to sitting in your seat in the airplane time - it's not a convenient travel for athletics. Bradley International airport is approx. 36 miles from Storrs, and from loading the buses, to getting in the seats on a plane (or getting off a plane and loading a bus and getting to your destination) fits within those criteria for the American Athletic conference - the same is true for all AAC programs, with most of the travel being less than that approx. 5 hour window. UConn to Dallas, and UConn to Tampa are actually the long shots. Bradley if I'm not mistaken, is probably the smallest and least traveled airport hub that will be in the conference, and volume of travel is proportional to travel costs - inversely.

Football, is the outlier here in conference travel. Football programs travel only 6-7 times max a year. It's all the other sports teams travel that matters. Cost, time, and scheduling. The AAC seems like it is a far flung thing that doesn't make sense on the surface, but there was actually a lot of thought put into making this into a conference structure that at least makes sense with the pieces available on the board.

Travel in the big 12, for the traditional programs isn't a big deal - travel to west Virginia is a disaster, as was easily predictable and causing trouble now. Travel to UCONN, would be maybe an hour longer than WVU, but easier than WVU logistically.

All of that said, UCONN, much like TCU with the Big East, which made NO sense in 2009, if extended an invitation by the Big 12, would have no choice to accept and then deal with the situation later.

 

[ZooCougar]

Again, if that is how you want to look at it then so be it. Now you have gone from 45 minutes to at least an hour. By next time we will be looking at an hour and a half. LAffin.

According to MapQuest it is 47 minutes to the airport. If you would like to argue with them or accuse them of being wrong then feel free.

If you are going to accuse me of posting inaccurate information you might want to figure out what is inaccurate first instead of just claiming "I bet if we dug back there would be all sorts of inaccuracies".

I'll ask again. What is it that you think I am wrong about?

No I didn't, your Oklahoma reading comprehension sucks. I said the airport was north of me and it takes me at least 45 minutes to get to Lawrence. The airport is 15-20 minutes away from me. You do the math.

 

[ZooCougar]

Again, if that is how you want to look at it then so be it. Now you have gone from 45 minutes to at least an hour. By next time we will be looking at an hour and a half. LAffin.

According to MapQuest it is 47 minutes to the airport. If you would like to argue with them or accuse them of being wrong then feel free.

If you are going to accuse me of posting inaccurate information you might want to figure out what is inaccurate first instead of just claiming "I bet if we dug back there would be all sorts of inaccuracies".

I'll ask again. What is it that you think I am wrong about?

Well unless Mapquest is aware of a better route than taking I-70 to 435 N, then it takes an hour to get from campus to the airport. I go to Lawrence regularly.

30 minutes Pffffffffffft. Clown.

 

[ZooCougar]

The sports like Lacrosse and Hockey could simply be played with your regional conferences and schools, which is actually a good thing to stay connected to the New England schools without having to share a conference in all sports with them.

As far as the divisional layout I think regional divisions the most sense. These Zipper divisions that the B1G tried, completely failed. The ACC is still trying to make it work. Pretty dumb when schools like FSU and GaTEch only play once every few years. What prime recruiting grounds does the B1G West division have? whoops. I think the B1G West might be the only power conference division without a school in a prime recruiting area. congrats. IF the Big 12 added UConn and Cinci at the least you would be in a division with a school from Ohio, not to mention playing at least 1 if not 2 games per year in Texas. That beats the heck out of being stuck playing in Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. Those are all terrible recruiting areas, plus you only play at tOSU and PSU every 5 years or so. Talk about lack of recruiting.

There are major cultural differences with the B1G as well. Do you think people in Nebraska and Iowa are similar top those in Jersey and Connecticut? Do you think you would be looked down upon by the B1G members because of AAU status? Do you think B1G members feel the same way now that Michigan and tOSU are in the same division? I now the Nebraska fans are not thrilled. They went from having one of the best rivalries in the country with OU and to some degree Texas, now they play Iowa and Wisconsin as their biggest rivals, who they have little history with. Fans dont' care about those much. Many Nebraska fans already want out of the B1G.

I don't disagree that the B1G is a good fit. As is the ACC. But lets not pretend that these are all regional games. Traveling to Miami, FSU, Clemson, GA Tech, UNC, etc.. is a long way. Traveling to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska is a long way as well. For most games you are looking at a bus ride, flight, and bus ride to get there. The only real difference is how long your flight is.

The B1G is already watered down from a FB perspective. Adding Maryland and Rutgers only made it worse. Getting in a conference that has roots in parts of the country that are growing is important. Without ties to CA, TX, FL, GA , etc... recruiting can be much more difficult. Ask Nebraska how they like recruiting the rust belt. It's obvious where the top FB talent is, and it's not the NE. If UConn want to be successful in FB being in a conference with Southern ties would help more than anything.

Thanks CPT Obvious.

 

[ZooCougar]

If it takes longer than 4 hours (flight time - in air) and it takes longer than an hour to make it from your door, to the bus to the airplane (or vice versa) - and that's stepping onto the bus time to sitting in your seat in the airplane time - it's not a convenient travel for athletics. Bradley International airport is approx. 36 miles from Storrs, and from loading the buses, to getting in the seats on a plane (or getting off a plane and loading a bus and getting to your destination) fits within those criteria for the American Athletic conference - the same is true for all AAC programs, with most of the travel being less than that approx. 5 hour window. UConn to Dallas, and UConn to Tampa are actually the long shots. Bradley if I'm not mistaken, is probably the smallest and least traveled airport hub that will be in the conference, and volume of travel is proportional to travel costs - inversely.

Football, is the outlier here in conference travel. Football programs travel only 6-7 times max a year. It's all the other sports teams travel that matters. Cost, time, and scheduling. The AAC seems like it is a far flung thing that doesn't make sense on the surface, but there was actually a lot of thought put into making this into a conference structure that at least makes sense with the pieces available on the board.

Travel in the big 12, for the traditional programs isn't a big deal - travel to west Virginia is a disaster, as was easily predictable and causing trouble now. Travel to UCONN, would be maybe an hour longer than WVU, but easier than WVU logistically.

All of that said, UCONN, much like TCU with the Big East, which made NO sense in 2009, if extended an invitation by the Big 12, would have no choice to accept and then deal with the situation later.

The only sensible way to do it would be to schedule in series. Example: Basketball travels to Kansas and plays KU and KSU in succession. Same thing OU and Pondwater. It gets to be a pain when you have to travel Lubbock and Ames on stand alone trips.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The only sensible way to do it would be to schedule in series. Example: Basketball travels to Kansas and plays KU and KSU in succession. Same thing OU and Pondwater. It gets to be a pain when you have to travel Lubbock and Ames on stand alone trips.

Traveling in a way that makes some sort of timing and economic sense is most likely why our basketball program was scheduled for back to back visits with Houston and SMU and with back to back visits to Cincinatti and Orlando. Cincy and Orlando don't make as much sense to the eye as a back to back with Houston and Dallas does, but Cincinatti is 1/2 hour from a local airport and it's a 2 hour flight cincy to Orlando, and UCF is close to the airport too. You group your travel as best you can so you don't have to make stand alone trips that don't make sense - and you can actually make sure that the students are actually having a chance to go to class.

What the Big 12 has right now with WVU is a stand alone trip for every sport that doesn't make sense.

 

[ZooCougar]

Traveling in a way that makes some sort of timing and economic sense is most likely why our basketball program was scheduled for back to back visits with Houston and SMU and with back to back visits to Cincinatti and Orlando. Cincy and Orlando don't make as much sense to the eye as a back to back with Houston and Dallas does, but Cincinatti is 1/2 hour from a local airport and it's a 2 hour flight cincy to Orlando, and UCF is close to the airport too. You group your travel as best you can so you don't have to make stand alone trips that don't make sense - and you can actually make sure that the students are actually having a chance to go to class.

What the Big 12 has right now with WVU is a stand alone trip for every sport that doesn't make sense.

Right. The Big 12 is trying to fix that from what I hear. But this is exactly why I don't believe that they want more presence in the east. Right now travel to east is really only an annual inconvenience. You add Cincy and/or UConn and this becames two or three time a year inconvenience for sports other than football.

On some of these trips locally in the Big 12 region sometimes they will fly out of a really small local airfield on a crop duster. They have been enjoying a charmed existence.

 

[ZooCougar]

Here is an oldish article from last summer about WVU's $2 Million spike in travel fees.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2013/07/22/In-Depth/College-travel-costs.aspx

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Begging the Big 12? Have some self-respect. It will payoff in the long run.

If the initial conditions I proposed were on the table ( every other Texas/OU home game to be at Giants Stadium) and you turned it down to remain in the AAC how can you even be taken seriously?

It's not about pride or self respect as you put it, it's about surviving this revenue gap were about to face.

Sure you can be a hardo and say no, just enjoy playing Tulsa and Tulane in front of 18,000 people as opposed to seeing WVU, Ok State, Baylor at The Rent and once every while go to an NFL Stadium to see a
legendary program play in the shadow of NYC.

Yeah, that would be awful.

 

[okielite]

Well unless Mapquest is aware of a better route than taking I-70 to 435 N, then it takes an hour to get from campus to the airport. I go to Lawrence regularly.

30 minutes Pffffffffffft. Clown.

Well it is becoming more and more obvious what you are about. Feel free to contact MapQuest if you don't agree with their route or time estimate. I go all and call you names like you do me but then I'd be no better than you.

Did you ever figure out what I was wrong about?

 

[okielite]

Traveling in a way that makes some sort of timing and economic sense is most likely why our basketball program was scheduled for back to back visits with Houston and SMU and with back to back visits to Cincinatti and Orlando. Cincy and Orlando don't make as much sense to the eye as a back to back with Houston and Dallas does, but Cincinatti is 1/2 hour from a local airport and it's a 2 hour flight cincy to Orlando, and UCF is close to the airport too. You group your travel as best you can so you don't have to make stand alone trips that don't make sense - and you can actually make sure that the students are actually having a chance to go to class.

What the Big 12 has right now with WVU is a stand alone trip for every sport that doesn't make sense.

The Big 12 has been working with WVU to do exactly what you are talking about. It just makes sense. Could do the same thing in the AAC. Tulsa and SMU in 1 trip. Houston and Tulane in another.

 

[okielite]

Is Zoo Cougar the equivalent of Bucaineer on the WVU board?

 

[okielite]

If the initial conditions I proposed were on the table ( every other Texas/OU home game to be at Giants Stadium) and you turned it down to remain in the AAC how can you even be taken seriously?

It's not about pride or self respect as you put it, it's about surviving this revenue gap were about to face.

Sure you can be a hardo and say no, just enjoy playing Tulsa and Tulane in front of 18,000 people as opposed to seeing WVU, Ok State, Baylor at The Rent and once every while go to an NFL Stadium to see a
legendary program play in the shadow of NYC.

Yeah, that would be awful.

Interesting isn't it. Trying to make the argument that UConn is better off traveling to Houston, Tulsa, SMU, USF, UCF, Tulane, and Memphis instead of Baylor, TCU, UT, TT, OSU, OU, KU, KSU, ISU. Or the argument that UConn would be on an island in the Big 12 but nothing but short bus trips in the B1G or ACC. Guess they didn't realize that half of both of those conferences are also 1,000 miles away. Either way you are going to have to travel.