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I’d probably cancel the Hurley presser

August_West said:
Wagner and Northeastern we had a full squad, true. And should not have lost those games but we incorporated a ton of new people. It would have been interesting to see if that team couldve gotten better over the course of the year intact.

Gilbert was already gone by OK state.
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We were not at completely 100 percent since Diarra was out. I'm certainly not suggesting he alone would have changed either outcome, but IIRC, one of those teams had a big guy who had a career night against us.

August is right, though. There's no telling what that team as a whole, Diarra included, might have accomplished over an entire season. We'll also never know if all three defectors would have left after a much more successful season.
 
WingU-Conn said:
But @August_West is both arguing that it wasn't a mistake to recruit him AND arguing the team is better off without him. Then obviously it was a mistake. We could have recruited some other JUCO big man, kicked the tires on potential transfers, or spent that time recruiting HS big men.
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What?

You know one of the best of the available JUCO and grad transfer bigs available after Cobb?

Does the name David Onuorah ring a bell?

Its not every day a great like Johnny Selvie can fall in your lap late.

And you are easily confused. What you are saying is accurate, but I guess Im not getting my point across.

We ARE better off without him, but it was worth the shot. It didnt hurt us. It didnt keep us from getting a better player.

Except in rare cases scholarships are wasted on walk ons. when we do that,, or pocket one, everyone bemoans our lack of depth. You cant win!
 
KembaStepback said:
How was 2 yrs ago disappointing? They won the conference tournament and won an NCAA game. This is what im talking about. Spoiled fans.
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A team with Adams, Gibbs, Purvis, Hamilton, Miller, Facey, and Brimah should have been much better than a #9 seed. We also benefited from SMU being ineligible in the AACT.
 
UConnNick said:
We'll also never know if all three defectors would have left after a much more successful season.
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Plus with a full team here maybe Durham redshirts. Maybe Vance and his dads expectations are lower because they had to know coming in he was sitting behind Larrier
 
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lange10 said:
Polley is more than capable of playing for this team. He’s very talented just virtually useless in our offense because he’s not able to create for himself off the bounce with his current skill set.

As to why he’s gone? Kid is wasting a year of eligibility to play 7 minutes a game while we lose. Ollie says he wants to play him more, yet doesn’t. The things Ollie says and does are so puzzling it’s truly troubling watching unfold.
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Polley is not playing because he can't defend. His man is always open for layups or offensive rebounds. He is like Steve Enoch, the opponents go on a run every time he was in the game. It has nothing with his offense. BTW, he is missing open shots. I know its a confidence thang. Whaley n Carlton r good defenders, they know where to be. The one thing I like about Polley is that his IQ is a lot higher then Enoch.
 
WingU-Conn said:
For a guy who played point guard in the NBA (and who was never a score first PG) it's beyond belief that he appears utterly clueless as to how to implement even an average college offense.
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Whatever institution conferred his "PhD in basketball" should lose its accreditation.
 
KembaStepback said:
How was 2 yrs ago disappointing? They won the conference tournament and won an NCAA game. This is what im talking about. Spoiled fans.
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Since the 2015-16 season doesn't fit the "Fire Ollie!" narrative, it has been conveniently erased from the memory bank of certain folks here.
 
August_West said:
Specific examples please
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Lack of development: Purvis, Facey (until it was too late), Brimah, Enoch

Poor utilization: Gibbs as PG, Miller not a focal point, Purvis and Larrier relied on as ballhandlers

Highly-rated recruits who left: Enoch (sat behind underachieving Brimah and thought he'd be better developed elsewhere), Durham (ditto), Jackson (this one is not entirely KO's fault, but still points to poor recruiting in not identifying players who would buy in), MAL
 
August_West said:
What?

You know one of the best of the available JUCO and grad transfer bigs available after Cobb?

Does the name David Onuorah ring a bell?

Its not every day a great like Johnny Selvie can fall in your lap late.

And you are easily confused. What you are saying is accurate, but I guess Im not getting my point across.

We ARE better off without him, but it was worth the shot. It didnt hurt us. It didnt keep us from getting a better player.

Except in rare cases scholarships are wasted on walk ons. when we do that,, or pocket one, everyone bemoans our lack of depth. You cant win!
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I get your point, I got it when you said it. I disagree that it didn't hurt us. Just because we may not gotten someone else, doesn't mean the team hasn't suffered from the distraction and chemistry issues. And we spent resources (time and money) recruiting him. Very limited resources that could have been used elsewhere working on a high school recruit so we can try and get some sort of GD consistency in this program instead of revolving doors.

I'm easily confused? in the last 30 or so minutes you've told me "what your are saying is accurate" and yet you've turned what I said into "its OK Ben Gordon was smacking a girl in 2003. We won a title in the next year. That is the crux of whether or not its worth taking a flyer on a player argument."

And you had the nerve to call me a dolt.
 
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UConnNick said:
Since the 2015-16 season doesn't fit the "Fire Ollie!" narrative, it has been conveniently erased from the memory bank of certain folks here.
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It absolutely fits. That team underachieved all year, save for 2 weeks in March. The pieces were fit together horribly, and the head coach was about 2 months behind this board in correcting our biggest offensive deficiency (Gibbs on vs. off the ball).
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Whatever institution conferred his "PhD in basketball" should lose its accreditation.
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BTW, since this is Dannyboy vs Ollie thread. This is Ollie's 6th yr. He already won a national championship, AAC championship. 3 NCAA tourney if he would have been eligible in 2013. He is 17-4 in post season tourneys, 7-1 in NCAA and 10-3 in AAC. His last 2 yrs has been rack by injuries. He already got 2 players into the NBA, Shabazz and Hamilton. Dan Hurley in first 6 yrs; never got into an NCAA tournament. Never won a conference champ, never develop an NBA player. His last two yr r all juniors n seniors n they r producing because they have been together for 4 yrs in the Atlantic 10. Next yr, he will revert to the mediocre mid-level coach that he is
 
Tenspro2002 said:
Lack of development: Purvis, Facey (until it was too late), Brimah, Enoch

Poor utilization: Gibbs as PG, Miller not a focal point, Purvis and Larrier relied on as ballhandlers

Highly-rated recruits who left: Enoch (sat behind underachieving Brimah and thought he'd be better developed elsewhere), Durham (ditto), Jackson (this one is not entirely KO's fault, but still points to poor recruiting in not identifying players who would buy in), MAL
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You said people werent developed so they left. Purvis and Brimah never left. And none of the people who left last year said to themselves "oh golly gee, look at Amidah and Purvis - Ollie really screwed them I better get out of dodge" - Holy LOL .............. Gibbs and Miller were 5th year transfers. Gibbs was brought in to be a PG while Adams got his feet wet. Please spare me on their development and usage. I wouldve liked to have seen more Miller but that was Hamiltons team. And Miller got his looks.

Enoch should look in a mirror. But OK. He didnt develop. How come Carlton has picked up Ollies defensive principles better in 1/2 a season but Enoch couldnt in two?
Jackson got WAY more time last year than he couldve possibly expected coming in. Way more. So there is NO utilization issue there.
Durham is lucky he saw floor at all, shouldve been redshirted. THAT was KO's mistake with him.
MAL left because of Miller and the fact that the little baby didnt want to have to compete with Gilbert, Adams and Vital for minutes. No development issue there either.


Next?
 
RJScootin said:
Go cheer Ollie and make him think everything is fine and magically things will turn around because its just bad luck. Terrible fan! Above .500 not making NIT, we should have a parade for him.
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Drama queen much?
Does your wife know you talk this way? Might as well point out to her where exactly anyone spins it as rosy as your exaggerations.
 
Whtdmd said:
BTW, since this is Dannyboy vs Ollie thread. This is Ollie's 6th yr. He already won a national championship, AAC championship. 3 NCAA tourney if he would have been eligible in 2013. He is 17-4 in post season tourneys, 7-1 in NCAA and 10-3 in AAC. His last 2 yrs has been rack by injuries. He already got 2 players into the NBA, Shabazz and Hamilton. Dan Hurley in first 6 yrs; never got into an NCAA tournament. Never won a conference champ, never develop an NBA player. His last two yr r all juniors n seniors n they r producing because they have been together for 4 yrs in the Atlantic 10. Next yr, he will revert to the mediocre mid-level coach that he is
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Why are you comparing coaching a top 10 all time program to coaching URI? Hurley inherited a dog___ program and now made them a top 10 RPI team. Yes, it took a few years to climb out of the abyss, as it did for Calhoun when he got here.

Xavier Munford is as much of an NBA player as Hamilton. So that is one more NBA player that Ollie has produced in 6 years, and again we’re comparing him to URI. Hurley has Dowtin, Russell, and Langevine (leads the A10 in OReb%, DReb%, and #3 Blk% in conference play) for the future, as well as a top 25 recruiting class coming in. If he stays at URI and Ollie stays here, my money is on URI remaining the better team for he foreseeable future.

I don’t think there’s a person in the country outside of UConn fans that wouldn’t say Hurley is a better coach. And I’m not even sure why were limiting this to Hurley, because there are plenty of options out there that would be good.
 
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August_West said:
You said people werent developed so they left. Purvis and Brimah never left. And none of the people who left last year said to themselves "oh golly gee, look at Amidah and Purvis - Ollie really screwed them I better get out of dodge" - Holy LOL .... Gibbs and Miller were 5th year transfers. Gibbs was brought in to be a PG while Adams got his feet wet. Please spare me on their development and usage. I wouldve liked to have seen more Miller but that was Hamiltons team. And Miller got his looks.

Enoch should look in a mirror. But OK. He didnt develop. How come Carlton has picked up Ollies defensive principles better in 1/2 a season but Enoch couldnt in two?
Jackson got WAY more time last year than he couldve possibly expected coming in. Way more. So there is NO utilization issue there.
Durham is lucky he saw floor at all, shouldve been redshirted. THAT was KO's mistake with him.
MAL left because of Miller and the fact that the little baby didnt want to have to compete with Gilbert, Adams and Vital for minutes. No development issue there either.


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Lack of development is a thing push by the Ollie haters. The evidence says otherwise
 
Whtdmd said:
Lack of development is a thing push by the Ollie haters. The evidence says otherwise
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I get it ...................kind of. But those arguments to me begin and end with Brimah and Purvis. Those two did not develop at expected rates. I will never argue otherwise. How much blame KO gets and how much is on those two players we can debate forever. Truth is usually in the middle of each extreme.
 
If URI and UConn played today on a neutral court, URI would be favored by about 8-10 points. So there's that, which is nice.
 
RipCity said:
Why are you comparing coaching a top 10 all time program to coaching URI? Hurley inherited a dog___ program and now made them a top 10 RPI team. Yes, it took a few years to climb out of the abyss, as it did for Calhoun when he got here.

Xavier Munford is as much of an NBA player as Hamilton. So that is one more NBA player that Ollie has produced in 6 years, and again we’re comparing him to URI. Hurley has Dowtin, Russell, and Langevine (leads the A10 in OReb%, DReb%, and #3 Blk% in conference play) for the future, as well as a top 25 recruiting class coming in. If he stays at URI and Ollie stays here, my money is on URI remaining the better team for he foreseeable future.

I don’t think there’s a person in the country outside of UConn fans that wouldn’t say Hurley is a better coach. And I’m not even sure why were limiting this to Hurley, because there are plenty of options out there that would be good.
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okay, since we r neither experts. Tell me why r the NE prep coach pushing players toward UCONN (Wilson, Kisunas and Mathis). No one is pushing anyone toward Hurley. I kept an eye on Hurley n the local prep coaches during hoophall. Hurley was there with his crew cut crew. No one talk o him, He literally had to stop the expressions AAU caoch ( I think it was him) to give him a minute of his time
 
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KembaStepback said:
I like the word and stand by it. I don't care who the coach is. 95% of fans don't know any coaches other than the big name ones. I highly doubt fans are going to show up for a HC they have never heard of.
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When you win, they show.
 
August_West said:
I get it ....kind of. But those arguments to me begin and end with Brimah and Purvis.
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Facey? He looked like the best player on the court against Duke as a sophomore.
 
Whtdmd said:
okay, since we r neither experts. Tell me why r the NE prep coach pushing players toward UCONN (Wilson, Kisunas and Mathis). No one is pushing anyone toward Hurley. I kept an eye on Hurley n the local prep coaches during hoophall. Hurley was there with his crew cut crew. No one talk o him, He literally had to stop the expressions AAU caoch ( I think it was him) to give him a minute of his time
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What are you talking about? He got Tate, who is a 4 star SF from the expressions team. He’s a better NE talent than Kisunas. He also got one of the best offensive big men of the class from the DC area in Harris. Again, top 25 class in the country for Hurley. This isn’t high school, I don’t care who Hurley talks to while he’s scouting Hoophall.

99% of the country would say Hurley is a better coach than Ollie. I’m not being biased, that’s just how it is. Ollie is better than these past 2 years would indicate, but the public goes by what it sees. Nobody has anything good to say about KO right now. To try and say that Hurley is the one with a bad rep is pretty laughable.
 
WingU-Conn said:
My philosophy that a coach is accountable for the results of his decisions is misconstrued? Okay.
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You get the legitimate point about responsibility, but quite often your verbal expression is conveyed without seeming to apply the concept of responsibility to yourself.
I don't find it difficult to draw such a distinction, but some here seem to. That doesn't warrant my telling what they should or shouldn't do, or me holding things against them.
I'd wager you've heard, "It ain't what you say, it's how you say it." To me, that sentiment applies widely and deeply. Ymmv.
 
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