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Hurley ponders his options to go double big

There have been lineups in practice where Adama is camping out in the corner, think of what Whaley's positions were in our sets last year. Dear lord I don't want him in the corner hoisting threes though. He may be an improved outside shooter, but I don't think he is THAT improved.........yet.

If Adama is going to be hoisting 3's, I'd prefer it from the top of the key. If he clangs one from there, he has a fighting chance to get back on Defense and stop transition baskets. If he is hoisting 3's from the corner, I'll assume every miss leads to transition points from the opponent.
 
I would do high / low. Foul line entry pass to guy on box. I agree neither is a 3 point threat. On this team we have Hawkins, Karaban and Joey California for the 3’s. Newton may be a threat also.
Alleyne is the best shooter on the team and you didn't even mention him.

The days of high/low post are gone. That's too much lane-clogging and not enough spacing for penetrators or shooters.
 
Alleyne is the best shooter on the team and you didn't even mention him.

The days of high/low post are gone. That's too much lane-clogging and not enough spacing for penetrators or shooters.
I agree that it has trended away. I wouldn't say it's gone. NBA rosters are getting bigger again. You're going to see some post play, simply because most teams can't actually defend it very effectively. Not many college teams even have a big with back to the basket post skills, but we do. Kareem would score at will in the modern game.

It's no different than the NFL where we see shifts to spread offenses and dime packages, and then we see a lot of teams gashing those defenses on the ground. The running game is cool again.
 
Alleyne is the best shooter on the team and you didn't even mention him.
Is he, though? We haven’t been hearing that much about him in the off-season.
 
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I agree that it has trended away. I wouldn't say it's gone. NBA rosters are getting bigger again. You're going to see some post play, simply because most teams can't actually defend it very effectively. Not many college teams even have a big with back to the basket post skills, but we do. Kareem would score at will in the modern game.

It's no different than the NFL where we see shifts to spread offenses and dime packages, and then we see a lot of teams gashing those defenses on the ground. The running game is cool again.
Post play, yes, that's the "1 in" that pairs with "4 out".

My point was just that we're not going to see big-to-big passing from the foul line to the block anymore. It's insanely inefficient and closes down driving lanes for guards and wings, while leaving too-few shooters on the perimeter to keep spacing and punish a collapsing defense.
 
So... Hurley doesn't go by who plays Center and who plays Power Forward. It's Guards, Wings, and Forwards.
Coach Murray broke it down for us, nicely.

Pretty much standard everywhere. Even if you do have a "center," it's not in vogue, so coaches just call 'em a forward.
 
Nearly every successful D1 team has a big who is a good distributor. A good distributer keeps his head up, on a swivel, and knows that there are times he needs to fool the opponent guards as to where the ball is going. UConn has not had that type of player in a while.
I think it talks big when Sanogo praises DC's passing and not talk about how he has worked on improvement in this area
If UConn has improved its outside shooting it will need an effective post passer.
AS will only play at the next level at a 4 position so an improvement at the midrange game is a must and if he has improved this area that is awesome and he needs to use it.
Playing AS and DC together is not as crazy as it sounds
Excellent points. A Big distributing the ball has certain advantages. Never underestimate the power of teammates liking a guy who passes them the ball.
 
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And both of those guys were more mobile and athletic than either Sanogo or Clingan. I don’t expect this except very situationally where it would help us defensively.
Sanogo is Big East preseason MVP and Donovan is a 7-2 guy who can play. When you start one on the box and the other on the foul line you create all kinds of matchup problems without clogging the lanes. Realistically, you will need 3 defenders to stop these two and that opens up Jordan, Karaban or Joey California for a 3.
 
Double bigs won’t work in Big East. Also, I imagine Donovan is a better shooter than Adama. Both need to be able to shoot 3s if they want a long pro careers, though maybe Donovan can be a rim protector and rebounder. I gotta see him at the college level first.

Adama won’t play in the nba if he doesn’t extend his range.
Tom Moore made a good point about not allowing second shots and double Bigs start the fast break with a rebound/outlet. The game changes but fundamentals remain.
 
I think they can play double bigs with two caveats

1) Donovan should be up high and Adama low replicating IW and AS last season

2) AJ can’t be on the floor even if his shot is dramatically improved.

That leaves 5-7 minutes stretches every few games to take advantage of this specific matchup.
 
When we played Clemson in 1990, during the Tate George end of game miracle shot with Dale Ellis as their coach, they played 2 bigs , Dale Davis and Elden Campbell, aka the "Duo of Doom."

As I recall, they both played near the basket with one a center and the other a power forward, and they complemented each other well, but neither played on the perimeter.

Not saying Sanogo and Clingan can complement each other playing near the basket. Time will tell if this ever occurs.
I can’t remember how the Celtics in the 80s played Parrish and McHale- weren’t they both down low? NBA may not be a good comparison though.
 
Tom Moore made a good point about not allowing second shots and double Bigs start the fast break with a rebound/outlet. The game changes but fundamentals remain.
Meh. Coaches love double bugs until they actually play the lineup and see two things:

1. Inability to get out on shooters on the perimeter.

2. Clogging lane on offense .

I would like to see it, but skeptical you get a huge advantage out there. Not in modern game anyway.
 
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Many of you aren't going to like this article. I can't see Hurley doing this much anyway.

“Coach talked about me and Donovan playing at the same time. I think it can be good,” Sanogo said. “I am definitely shooting this year. If my defender doesn’t come out, I’m shooting it because my shot is getting better.

“Donovan has stuff he still has to work on. He is a good player. He is going to be fine. He has potential. He has to work on defense. In the Big East, there are teams you have to be able to switch everything. Villanova and St. John’s don’t play with a big man, so you have to switch. I think he will be fine.”

“Donovan is such a skilled passer, even in the high post and key area, whether it is versus a zone or man-to-man that we are tinkering, especially with Andre’s injury, at playing more zone and trying to find a way to get them on the court together a little bit,” Hurley said. “Obviously, we really want to play Donovan.”



I can't get any of the free article websites to work with the Waterbury Republican-American. But you can register with them for free and get 5 articles a week. I did that and it took 10 seconds.
Clingan is just huge. When he develops into what he can be the BE is in trouble. Will be CPOY before he leaves. Karaban is going to be far better than people think.
 
Meh. Coaches love double bugs until they actually play the lineup and see two things:

1. Inability to get out on shooters on the perimeter.

2. Clogging lane on offense .

I would like to see it, but skeptical you get a huge advantage out there. Not in modern game anyway.
I never try to get caught up in the current fad, that inevitably changes to something else.
When you play the game you win because of certain advantages size/strength, speed, skill, better scheme or exploiting a match up.
This idea you need 4 guys standing on the 3 line, I don’t buy into.
Put guys in the position where they can do the most damage. A high low scheme with Adama and Donovan would devastate many teams, especially now that we have 3 three point guys to keep them us. Pick your poison. Double one Nig and a three guy will be open.
 
I brought this up shortly after Clingan committed. It makes sense to play him and Sanogo together. I think it's a good thing and has many advantages
 
I think people have a gross misunderstanding of where high quality 3's come from. Putting 5 players around the perimeter just a few feet away from each other are easy to defend and the team usually ends up with low quality 3's. The highest percentage 3's come from inside-out passes because the defense is often facing the wrong way and the shooter is catching the ball facing the basket rather than having to turn and shoot. More inside-out passes equals a better shooting percentage from 3.

Furthermore, dominating the boards will result in easy putbacks and a high points per possession. Defenses will have to respond.
 
I think people have a gross misunderstanding of where high quality 3's come from. Putting 5 players around the perimeter just a few feet away from each other are easy to defend and the team usually ends up with low quality 3's. The highest percentage 3's come from inside-out passes because the defense is often facing the wrong way and the shooter is catching the ball facing the basket rather than having to turn and shoot. More inside-out passes equals a better shooting percentage from 3.

Furthermore, dominating the boards will result in easy putbacks and a high points per possession. Defenses will have to respond.
Not one person has suggested we play this way.
 
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I never try to get caught up in the current fad, that inevitably changes to something else.
When you play the game you win because of certain advantages size/strength, speed, skill, better scheme or exploiting a match up.
This idea you need 4 guys standing on the 3 line, I don’t buy into.
Put guys in the position where they can do the most damage. A high low scheme with Adama and Donovan would devastate many teams, especially now that we have 3 three point guys to keep them us. Pick your poison. Double one Nig and a three guy will be open.
 
It's his thing. He's spent the last four years arguing against made up scenarios of playing 5 out anytime someone suggests having shooting at the 4 is nice
The posts after Sanogos first 0-2 from 3 game will be iconic.
 
It's his thing. He's spent the last four years arguing against made up scenarios of playing 5 out anytime someone suggests having shooting at the 4 is nice

You will get more 3's from your 4 by having him start inside.
 
You will get more 3's from your 4 by having him start inside.
No you won't, that's a beyond stupid take. You want to tell me he'll get better looks by the ball starting inside with Sanogo absolutely, but posting up 2 guys inside is not getting one of those guys more 3's. That's absurd even for you
 
No you won't, that's a beyond stupid take. You want to tell me he'll get better looks by the ball starting inside with Sanogo absolutely, but posting up 2 guys inside is not getting one of those guys more 3's. That's absurd even for you

Did I say they should stand next to each other posting up? It is not surprising that you only think of offense as a bunch of 1-on-1 action rather than team basketball.

High post is a zone killer, and a lot of teams play zones to stop 3 pointers. Stretch 2-3 zones line up very well against the 5-out offenses you like so much, but those same stretch 2-3's have a huge hole at the high post. Get the ball to Sanogo a few times, have him school the center a couple of times, and the top of the zone will have to drop down or they will go man. Even in Man, they will have to help against Sanogo on the high post. Someone should be flashing weakside when Sanogo gets doubled, and it is easier for Sanogo to find a 7 footer rather than a swingman. Everyone on defense starts cheating in, and they have to close hard because they are covering a lot of ground on the kick out, Which means that when the 4 pops out to the corner or at the top of the arc, he will be WIDE OPEN.

Or we can play navery-offense and have them keep swinging the ball around the perimeter until the clock winds down and someone has to jack a prayer. Let's see where that gets us.
 
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