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How to fix the Big East

HuskyHawk said:
Nah. I think the courts got the O'Bannon case wrong, but they aren't likely to take this much further. There's no legitimate antitrust violation here. Trying to squeeze any more for players is going to kill the golden goose. NIL regulations will hold up. Kids like Paige Bueckers or Livvy Dunne will be able to make lots of money. Some unknown player won't.

The NIL case was pretty obvious, and was really triggered by social media earnings. Basically the NCAA can't tell a kid who can make money off of their name that they lose eligibility if they do. They can absolutely enforce rules against illegitimate payments to players.
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I disagree but we will see soon enough since state attorney generals have filed on behalf of their state colleges on any restrictions NCAA tries to force on their State colleges. You will see the same thing when the independent agency rules against an athlete that the payment he received was not “true” NIL. Here is Justice Kavanaugh thoughts on the matter.

Kavanaugh argued that “the NCAA's profit-generating, non-compete "labor" model is essentially price-fixing that suppresses pay for student-athletes who generate billions in revenue for colleges.”

I believe he will see this independent agency deciding what “true” NIL as price fixing as well.

The only way to end this is to get a collective bargaining agreement in place for Football and Basketball.
 
While I think this is partly a down year, I do think the SEC poses a new threat with their stable of coaches, huge fan bases and overall appeal. It's part of a larger trend of kids from the metro areas of the north heading to big schools in the south and midwest. Not just athletes. The other factor is that the best players of the peak Big East era were from NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, LA, maybe North Carolina and Indiana. Now, look at where the top kids are from. Nate Ament is a good example, 20 years ago, there is no way he picks Tennessee over Georgetown or UVA or UNC. Now Georgetown doesn't even try. London Jemison is from Bloomfield and goes to Alabama. Football player at my daughter's former HS in MA is headed to Mississippi.
 
HuskyHawk said:
While I think this is partly a down year, I do think the SEC poses a new threat with their stable of coaches, huge fan bases and overall appeal. It's part of a larger trend of kids from the metro areas of the north heading to big schools in the south and midwest. Not just athletes. The other factor is that the best players of the peak Big East era were from NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, LA, maybe North Carolina and Indiana. Now, look at where the top kids are from. Nate Ament is a good example, 20 years ago, there is no way he picks Tennessee over Georgetown or UVA or UNC. Now Georgetown doesn't even try. London Jemison is from Bloomfield and goes to Alabama. Football player at my daughter's former HS in MA is headed to Mississippi.
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So what is the fix?
 
HuskyHawk said:
While I think this is partly a down year, I do think the SEC poses a new threat with their stable of coaches, huge fan bases and overall appeal. It's part of a larger trend of kids from the metro areas of the north heading to big schools in the south and midwest. Not just athletes. The other factor is that the best players of the peak Big East era were from NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, LA, maybe North Carolina and Indiana. Now, look at where the top kids are from. Nate Ament is a good example, 20 years ago, there is no way he picks Tennessee over Georgetown or UVA or UNC. Now Georgetown doesn't even try. London Jemison is from Bloomfield and goes to Alabama. Football player at my daughter's former HS in MA is headed to Mississippi.
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Nailed it - these inner city kids are now going to academies and acclimating to a different environment that they like. There is an allure to the big cultures and climates of these big schools. And in the case of the SEC, it’s warmer too.

It’s partially why we can still get top kids, as a state flagship.

The issue is also about brand and draw. There is a different more commercial energy at the big schools. And with the draw of a state flagship mismatched with the BE, we need out. A best of both worlds could be this unlikely concept that K continues to discuss, where we head to the ACC with the top hoops brands in geo aligned locations (Nova, GT, StJ). Maybe we don’t get a full football share, but it’s better than the current.

There is way too much to fix in the BE. Maybe if they brought in a creative Yormack like commish, they could push and spin something.
 
Without football, the NBE is going to be exactly that - the NBE.
Football costs money but brings in much more IF you have a winning team.
Fix that (Mora is doing it) and get into a power league.
The NBE is starting to lose that basketball luster and it will be difficult to get it back under present leadership and without football.
 
shizzle787 said:
To me, this is a Butler and Seton Hall issue. If those two got back to what they were in the 2010s, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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And Butler isn’t all that bad
Lost a close one on road at SMU
 
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Just wait until the basketball TV contract is up for renewal. Things will get worse. The rich will get richer.

The tournament will most likely expand and the power conferences will get more teams in at higher seeds. That will most likely lead to a tiered unit structure that benefits them

The NCAA is poorly managed and needs congressional oversight in my opinion.

The football powers have highjacked college sports to meet their needs.
 
The Big East is a basketball conference in a football world. What the BE needs is for the top football programs not to care about basketball. For a long time they didn't. That is changing as the football schools are now acting more businesslike. They see basketball as an opportunity for addition revenue for their athletic departments. They will increasing encroach on basketball almost as a new business venture.

There is no solution for this problem. It is Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds.
 
JwittersPAC said:
So what is the fix?
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There is no fix. The urban private colleges are becoming less attractive generally, aside from the top schools. This is a good article about the demographic changes. Fewer students, more of the student pool coming from the south and southwest, more focus on STEM or business not liberal arts, more focus on cost. It talks about Connecticut, using New Canaan as an example. Yes, basketball players can ignore cost, but the appeal of the big public schools is still stronger. Georgetown and Villanova will be fine.

 
B1GEast said:
Just wait until the basketball TV contract is up for renewal. Things will get worse. The rich will get richer.

The tournament will most likely expand and the power conferences will get more teams in at higher seeds. That will most likely lead to a tiered unit structure that benefits them

The NCAA is poorly managed and needs congressional oversight in my opinion.

The football powers have highjacked college sports to meet their needs.
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Maybe not. The Networks are scraping for content and a reason to bleed Consumers dry with subscriptions. If Uconn leaves it might be a cause for concern, but unless the current administration plans to overhaul the FCC. and adds additional regulations, which has not been their M.O., there will be room to feed on a new deal
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The Big 10 is talking about unequal revenue sharing. So they may not get kicked out, but the may see their share decrease.
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Tiered conference revenue sharing is the new model for all conference.

What it will look like

Everyone gets a base amount

Funds are reserved for conference championships and some will be reserved for weighted viewership.

It's only fair that conferences reward programs that achieve success. That's the main reason for the FSU ACC lawsuit
 
RuffRuff said:
Schools like Sacred Heart have absolutely blown up - that went from nothing to what looks like a city meets country club now, bought out the GE HQ, a golf course and anything they can get their hands on.
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Sacred Heart High School? I'm talking about high schools here, not universities.
 
John said:
Sacred Heart High School? I'm talking about high schools here, not universities.
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No, I'm talking about the university in Fairfield. I'm very much aware that the high school institutions are consolidating/shrinking. There may have just been too many of them.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Sure, my daughter went to one in suburban Boston. Two of her classmates (who I coached in basketball in elementary school) went to Auburn. Six went to Clemson. Three to Tennessee. Three to U South Carolina. Purdue, Alabama, Georgia Tech, WVU, Ole Miss and more. The best football player at that school right now is headed to Mississippi (Logan Mankins' son).

UConn got 3 or 4 , so did UNH and UMass, some at BC, Villanova, Marquette, Northeastern (including mine), BU etc. But the number of fairly well off private school kids in metro Boston heading to SEC and southern ACC schools is vastly different than it was a decade ago.
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Same in our NJ hood....I see Alabama and TN flags...and some B1G flags too. I knew someone that went to a very good HS, had good grades and couldn't get into FSU! Only 1 Nova flag....that hasn't flown recently lol

Southern schools want the out of state tuition
 
Yeah, it's a thing and it comes with the world of Social Media and age of information. Those schools down there are big, colorful, united, and WARM. There are people/parents migrating down there for cost of living. I'm expecting the SEC and B12 to continue mopping up on top recruits.

The majority of 247 top 50 have signed, except for a handful of the most highly rated kids. No BE teams are in on those handful of of non signed. The BE has 3, 2 Uconn and 1 Gtown. That's where we are.
 
RuffRuff said:
Yeah, it's a thing and it comes with the world of Social Media and age of information. Those schools down there are big, colorful, united, and WARM. There are people/parents migrating down there for cost of living. I'm expecting the SEC and B12 to continue mopping up on top recruits.

The majority of 247 top 50 have signed, except for a handful of the most highly rated kids. No BE teams are in on those handful of of non signed. The BE has 3, 2 Uconn and 1 Gtown. That's where we are.
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Big East has 4.
 
shizzle787 said:
The rules changed: they can only spend about $21 million total on revenue sharing for both football and basketball. The average P4 school is expected to spend $4-5 million on revenue sharing for basketball. The Big East is expected to average $6 million per school. Of course, some schools will still have bag men.
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revenue sharing is not NIL. Two different payment streams to players. NIL was passed and later the house approved direct revenue sharing to the tune of $21M.
 
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superjohn said:
I don't think it will impact top athletes either but Big East schools certainly aren't going anywhere, they're most likely going to gain in popularity.
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I’m not sure how church attendance translates to more people ponying up $90k per year for a product that can be had for half the price or less elsewhere.
 
RuffRuff said:
Who's the 4th?

Fairly disproportionate anyway when you realize the other 46-47 are going SEC, ACC, B12 & B10 (12 each).
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Adam Oumiddoch St. John's.

You're also comparing conferences who are much bigger than the Big East. Big East is 11 schools. That's 67 schools you're talking about and they have 36 commitments out of the top 50 recruits.
 
superjohn said:
Adam Oumiddoch St. John's.

You're also comparing conferences who are much bigger than the Big East. Big East is 11 schools. That's 67 schools you're talking about and they have 36 commitments out of the top 50 recruits.
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Any way you cut it, they’re going elsewhere. If you look at the weighting of it, we aren’t in the top 20.
 
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