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How to fix the Big East

superjohn said:
I don't know what this means.
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Seems you’re trying to spin this as the BE is at a disadvantage due to members. Who in our league can even attract a top 50 recruit?

Us, StJ, Gtown, Nova?

Missouri has two top 20 players - why? Oklahoma St, South Carolina and Pitt have top 32 guys. Why? Our bottom dwellers aren’t getting these kind of kids.

247 has the StJ kid at 52 fyi.
 
superjohn said:
I'm not trying to do anything, your numbers aren't correct so I corrected them. I didn't understand your last post so I said "I don't know what this means."
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Outside UConn the top 25 freshman for basketball are not coming to the Big East.
 
JwittersPAC said:
Outside UConn the top 25 freshman for basketball are not coming to the Big East.
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I'm aware of where the recruits are going. I went through the list of top 50 recruits for next season, you can see that in the posts above yours. Georgetown has #19 Alex Constanza, UConn has #28 Colben Landrew and #40 Junior County, and St. John's has #46 Adam Oumiddoch. 36 of the top 50 recruits so far have committed to the 67 schools in the ACC, Big 10, SEC, Big 12.
 
JwittersPAC said:
Outside UConn the top 25 freshman for basketball are not coming to the Big East.
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Cooley did get a guy this year, 20th - guy can sell. Between getting Sorber, Lewis, he’s hustling. I’d embrace Gtown getting good on our way out of here.
 
RuffRuff said:
Seems you’re trying to spin this as the BE is at a disadvantage due to members. Who in our league can even attract a top 50 recruit?

Us, StJ, Gtown, Nova?

Missouri has two top 20 players - why? Oklahoma St, South Carolina and Pitt have top 32 guys. Why? Our bottom dwellers aren’t getting these kind of kids.

247 has the StJ kid at 52 fyi.
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I get why you're cutting it off at 50, because it's a nice cutoff point. But it's ultimately just a narrative that you can spin any way you want it. 3 in the top 50 might not sound great, but 6 in the top 57 sounds pretty good
 
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navery12 said:
I get why you're cutting it off at 50, because it's a nice cutoff point. But it's ultimately just a narrative that you can spin any way you want it. 3 in the top 50 might not sound great, but 6 in the top 57 sounds pretty good
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Didn’t notice - but go ahead and pound your pointless BE drum and keep the head in the beach.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Do you realize how expensive it is to be competitive in football? Have you noticed that half the P4 isn't trying anymore?
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And that half will have a competitive edge in bb over non power conferences as they divert more funds away from football and apply it to their bb programs. They already have the attraction for recruits and transfers who want to play against better teams in better conferences. I expect the B12 to be the conference that leads this with the SEC and BIG quickly following.

The power conferences ultimate goal of not sharing tournament revenue with hundreds of schools will be realized. They have gamed the football championships for decades. That is their model and it would be foolish to believe that is not their intention for bb.
 
jleves said:
Revenue sharing and NIL are two different things. Sure the Big East can spend more revenue sharing on basketball, but NIL takes everything in a different direction.

Big schools with a lot of wealthy alums or ties to corporations will use NIL to make Big East revenue sharing almost useless. You don't get a Dybantsa with revenue sharing - you get him with NIL.

The only use of revenue sharing is building out the mid to end of your roster for top teams. If most of the Big East has to use revenue sharing to build the top end of their roster, they are sunk.

Get into one of the top 2 or 3 conferences or you're done in the near future.
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Hate to say it, but this is spot one
 
jleves said:
Big schools with a lot of wealthy alums or ties to corporations will use NIL to make Big East revenue sharing almost useless. You don't get a Dybantsa with revenue sharing - you get him with NIL.
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Curious what Dybantsa would have gotten, even illegally, if he was a 2026 recruit with the new rules. Probably not close to what he got from BYU. No wonder why he reclassified.
 
HooperScooper said:
Curious what Dybantsa would have gotten, even illegally, if he was a 2026 recruit with the new rules. Probably not close to what he got from BYU. No wonder why he reclassified.
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One thing I've thought about - if a company wants to pay you a million dollars to say "I like Starbucks coffee" and the clearing house or whatever says, 'no - too much', wouldn't you just sue the clearing house? If someone wants to pay you for NIL, I don't see how anyone can limit that.

I don't see how any 'oversight committee' can limit what you can get paid for Name, Image, Likeness.

The big payouts will continue.
 
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jleves said:
One thing I've thought about - if a company wants to pay you a million dollars to say "I like Starbucks coffee" and the clearing house or whatever says, 'no - too much', wouldn't you just sue the clearing house? If someone wants to pay you for NIL, I don't see how anyone can limit that.

I don't see how any 'oversight committee' can limit what you can get paid for Name, Image, Likeness.

The big payouts will continue.
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It is a slippery slope. What is "market" for those services? What someone will pay? Once the can of worms was opened there is no going back and I don't really know how the NCAA, or any governing body, is going to enforce any rules.
 
B1GEast said:
That was Pitino's whole point and why he focuses his rebuild with the portal with NIL




nypost.com

St. John’s receiving seven-figure NIL lifeline from billionaire alum Mike Repole: ‘Whatever it takes’

Mike Repole breaking his own news on X that he planned to donate seven figures for St. John’s Name, Image & Likeness (NIL) deals for next season.
nypost.com nypost.com
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He recently took a commitment from a high school senior. I wonder whether he's reconsidering his initial stance or is this just a one off?

www.on3.com

4-star SG Adam Oumiddoch commits to St. John's

Adam Oumiddoch, a four-star shooting guard in the 2026 class, has committed to St. John's, he told Rivals.
www.on3.com www.on3.com
 
ctchamps said:
And that half will have a competitive edge in bb over non power conferences as they divert more funds away from football and apply it to their bb programs. They already have the attraction for recruits and transfers who want to play against better teams in better conferences. I expect the B12 to be the conference that leads this with the SEC and BIG quickly following.

The power conferences ultimate goal of not sharing tournament revenue with hundreds of schools will be realized. They have gamed the football championships for decades. That is their model and it would be foolish to believe that is not their intention for bb.
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If you think it is hopeless, pick another school to root for.
 
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boog204 said:
I'm a high school teacher in CT, and while we still have the majority doing the New England college thing, we have more and more every year heading to Florida and SEC schools. The University of Tennessee and Alabama have become very popular destinations in my suburban CT high school.
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South Carolina and Clemson seem to be doing well in my town too
 
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John said:
South Carolina and Clemson seem to be doing well in my town too
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Generally it's for the campus atmosphere. The kids want to be part of a spectacle. It's not for the academics (though a few schools in SEC such as Florida are good).
 
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There's no point having this conversation until the long term NIL spending rules kick in. We are in football mode now. Wait until 2-3 years from now to see how a basketball-focused conference performs. The power 4 are concerned about the Big East. We'll have to see how it plays out.
 
boog204 said:
I'm a high school teacher in CT, and while we still have the majority doing the New England college thing, we have more and more every year heading to Florida and SEC schools. The University of Tennessee and Alabama have become very popular destinations in my suburban CT high school.
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Guess not everyone likes New England Winters?

But seriously, the out of state cost of state school is staggering. Maybe if it's timed with retirement and moving to FLA or Tenn (note two states with no income tax), then it works out win-win.

But @boog204 how often do you get a HS basketball player that you say "this one is going D1!"?

And thank you for being a teacher! Criminally underpaid and under appreciated, but I see you affecting the life of thousands and thousands of kids in a good way.
 
Lafayette said:
Guess not everyone likes New England Winters?

But seriously, the out of state cost of state school is staggering. Maybe if it's timed with retirement and moving to FLA or Tenn (note two states with no income tax), then it works out win-win.

But @boog204 how often do you get a HS basketball player that you say "this one is going D1!"?

And thank you for being a teacher! Criminally underpaid and under appreciated, but I see you affecting the life of thousands and thousands of kids in a good way.
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Thank you very much! There are a few teachers here on the BY.

This town does have wealth to it, so cost has not been a huge issue for some of the kids who have attended college far away.

To answer your other question, I've been at this school for 22 years, and we've had exactly zero D1 basketball players in my tenure. Just before me, there was a kid who went to Stony Brook and one to St. Bonaventure (both via T-More), but mostly D3.

Although now that I think about it, I did have a kid who walked on at UConn and finished his career with four points. Amazing kid... I remember him telling me he would play at UConn as a freshman in class, and I kind of just smiled and nodded. Bastard proved me wrong in the best of ways.
 
Lafayette said:
Guess not everyone likes New England Winters?

But seriously, the out of state cost of state school is staggering. Maybe if it's timed with retirement and moving to FLA or Tenn (note two states with no income tax), then it works out win-win.

But @boog204 how often do you get a HS basketball player that you say "this one is going D1!"?

And thank you for being a teacher! Criminally underpaid and under appreciated, but I see you affecting the life of thousands and thousands of kids in a good way.
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The out of state cost at UF or Ole Miss or Alabama is far less than just about any northeastern private school.
 
Tiamat7 said:
Generally it's for the campus atmosphere. The kids want to be part of a spectacle. It's not for the academics (though a few schools in SEC such as Florida are good).
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No schools outside of maybe 10 nationally make a difference when it comes to academics. You're buying a commodity.
 
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