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How to fix the Big East

ctchamps said:
And that half will have a competitive edge in bb over non power conferences as they divert more funds away from football and apply it to their bb programs. They already have the attraction for recruits and transfers who want to play against better teams in better conferences. I expect the B12 to be the conference that leads this with the SEC and BIG quickly following.

The power conferences ultimate goal of not sharing tournament revenue with hundreds of schools will be realized. They have gamed the football championships for decades. That is their model and it would be foolish to believe that is not their intention for bb.
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If you think it is hopeless, pick another school to root for.
 
boog204 said:
I'm a high school teacher in CT, and while we still have the majority doing the New England college thing, we have more and more every year heading to Florida and SEC schools. The University of Tennessee and Alabama have become very popular destinations in my suburban CT high school.
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South Carolina and Clemson seem to be doing well in my town too
 
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John said:
South Carolina and Clemson seem to be doing well in my town too
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Generally it's for the campus atmosphere. The kids want to be part of a spectacle. It's not for the academics (though a few schools in SEC such as Florida are good).
 
There's no point having this conversation until the long term NIL spending rules kick in. We are in football mode now. Wait until 2-3 years from now to see how a basketball-focused conference performs. The power 4 are concerned about the Big East. We'll have to see how it plays out.
 
boog204 said:
I'm a high school teacher in CT, and while we still have the majority doing the New England college thing, we have more and more every year heading to Florida and SEC schools. The University of Tennessee and Alabama have become very popular destinations in my suburban CT high school.
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Guess not everyone likes New England Winters?

But seriously, the out of state cost of state school is staggering. Maybe if it's timed with retirement and moving to FLA or Tenn (note two states with no income tax), then it works out win-win.

But @boog204 how often do you get a HS basketball player that you say "this one is going D1!"?

And thank you for being a teacher! Criminally underpaid and under appreciated, but I see you affecting the life of thousands and thousands of kids in a good way.
 
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Lafayette said:
Guess not everyone likes New England Winters?

But seriously, the out of state cost of state school is staggering. Maybe if it's timed with retirement and moving to FLA or Tenn (note two states with no income tax), then it works out win-win.

But @boog204 how often do you get a HS basketball player that you say "this one is going D1!"?

And thank you for being a teacher! Criminally underpaid and under appreciated, but I see you affecting the life of thousands and thousands of kids in a good way.
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Thank you very much! There are a few teachers here on the BY.

This town does have wealth to it, so cost has not been a huge issue for some of the kids who have attended college far away.

To answer your other question, I've been at this school for 22 years, and we've had exactly zero D1 basketball players in my tenure. Just before me, there was a kid who went to Stony Brook and one to St. Bonaventure (both via T-More), but mostly D3.

Although now that I think about it, I did have a kid who walked on at UConn and finished his career with four points. Amazing kid... I remember him telling me he would play at UConn as a freshman in class, and I kind of just smiled and nodded. Bastard proved me wrong in the best of ways.
 
Lafayette said:
Guess not everyone likes New England Winters?

But seriously, the out of state cost of state school is staggering. Maybe if it's timed with retirement and moving to FLA or Tenn (note two states with no income tax), then it works out win-win.

But @boog204 how often do you get a HS basketball player that you say "this one is going D1!"?

And thank you for being a teacher! Criminally underpaid and under appreciated, but I see you affecting the life of thousands and thousands of kids in a good way.
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The out of state cost at UF or Ole Miss or Alabama is far less than just about any northeastern private school.
 
Tiamat7 said:
Generally it's for the campus atmosphere. The kids want to be part of a spectacle. It's not for the academics (though a few schools in SEC such as Florida are good).
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No schools outside of maybe 10 nationally make a difference when it comes to academics. You're buying a commodity.
 
Excalibur said:
No schools outside of maybe 10 nationally make a difference when it comes to academics. You're buying a commodity.
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I remember a kid showing me pictures from her visits to High Point and Alabama, and those campuses are insanely nice. Even with the changes at Storrs, there's really no comparison.
 
Excalibur said:
No schools outside of maybe 10 nationally make a difference when it comes to academics. You're buying a commodity.
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What do you mean by difference?

Many colleges have their characters and particulars. I could name a dozen ways in which the selection of the right school matters.

But just to start:

1. Rigor. There's a world of difference between many schools and others. It doesn't mean students want that, but the schools offering it attract a different kind of student.

2. Specialties. If you're targeting a discipline, whatever it is, it could be theater, film, engineering, etc., some schools have it, some schools don't.

3. Campus culture (where is a school located? Who goes there? Networks?). This is why I'd say going to NYU gives you very hard to reproduce results if you attended, for instance, Miami FLA instead.

There are a lot more variables involved.

I had a parent of my child's classmate ask me to give my opinion of a department at a New England private university that is in the middle of the rankings. Clark U. I saw that the department of interest didn't have a single permanent faculty member, they were all contingent. The kid ended up at a satellite SUNY where she'll get a much better education to prepare her for law school.
 
Tiamat7 said:
Generally it's for the campus atmosphere. The kids want to be part of a spectacle. It's not for the academics (though a few schools in SEC such as Florida are good).
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I do believe that, but we also need to look at what's changed to create the culture shift.

Since 2008, prices for university even at the public state level have skyrocketed. Some of that is increased costs nationally for things like health care and new tech. This has forced the hand of public schools especially down south which have seen a pullback in state support and state funding. So they've jacked up rates.

The counter to this is a move from admitting only 15-20% of out-of-staters to now going to 50% out-of-staters who will pay a higher rate and balance school budgets.

I just went through my oldest applying to colleges and we saw this same dynamic at work at U. Michigan and U. Virginia. For decades, these schools were legendary for being very hard to get into out-of-state. I knew kids that got into Ivys but were rejected as OOS applicants at UVa.

Not so anymore. Right now, you seem to have a BETTER chance of admission if you're coming from out of state than in-state.
 
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